From tylus.seklos@gmail.com Mon, 01 Jun 2015 05:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: The Silent Seed Subject: R.I.P William (Bill) Janetos [10/17/1952 - 05/25/2015] Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 08:14:56 -0400 Wow - only a half hour from me ; and I never knew him. Darn ! Condolences. Jude On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Mariano Saviello < mariano_saviello83@yahoo.com.ar> wrote: > Dear esteemed members, in this occasion I must communicate the loss of my > dearest friend, botanical colleague and one of the administrators of Planet > Botanical Hippeastrum Facebook Group, William Lewis Janetos (Bill Janetos, > 62) of Rollins Road, who passed away on Monday, May 25th, 2015 at > Wentworth-Douglass Hospital in Dover, N.H., with his family by his side. As > well as being an extraordinary person, Bill was an avid orchid, Hippeastrum > and Crocus horticulturalist. Arrangements were under the direction of > Wiggin-Purdy-McCooey-Dion Funeral Home of Dover, N.H. > > R.I.P [10/17/1952 - 05/25/2015] > -------------------------------------------- > El mar 26-may-15, pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org < > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org> escribió: > > Asunto: pbs Digest, Vol 148, Issue 18 > Para: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Fecha: martes, 26 de mayo de 2015, 16:17 > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive: > Today's Topics: > > 1. from: larryryo@gmail.com > (larryryo@gmail.com) > 2. Spammer (Bulborum Botanicum) > 3. Re: Spammer (David Pilling) > 4. New Moraea hybrids, 2015 (Michael > Mace) > 5. New Moraea Hybrids, 2015 (Pamela > Slate) > 6. Re: New Moraea hybrids, 2015 (Jim > McKenney) > 7. Re: New Moraea hybrids, 2015 (Anne > McNeil) > 8. Re: New Moraea hybrids, 2015 (Karl > Church) > 9. Fwd: New Moraea Hybrids, 2015 (Pamela > Slate) > 10. Re: New Moraea hybrids, 2015 (Mark Mazer) > 11. Re: New Moraea hybrids, 2015 (a van beek) > 12. vinyl blinds as plant tags (was Re:New Moraea > hybrids, 2015) > (Nicholas plummer) > 13. vinyl blinds as plant tags (was Re:New > Moraea hybrids, 2015) > (Lamon Ready) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 20:51:05 +0200 > From: "larryryo@gmail.com" > > To: "pbs" > Subject: [pbs] from: larryryo@gmail.com > Message-ID: <5371264C-E984-4159-8EC5-9634D1B7FE1C@radioonline.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > > Salutations pbs > > http://emmamclaughlan.com/would.php?higher=nf7xw6txb9ck2 > > > > > larryryo@gmail.com > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 22:11:21 +0200 > From: Bulborum Botanicum > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] Spammer > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > larryryo@gmail.com > is a spammer > > Roland > > > R de Boer > 2238 Route de la Maugardiere > F 27260 EPAIGNES > FRANCE > > Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > Email: bulborum@gmail.com > Facebook Group English :https://www.facebook.com/groups/bulborum/ > > Facebook Group French : https://www.facebook.com/groups/1454572311501070/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 21:25:47 +0100 > From: David Pilling > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Spammer > Message-ID: <5563854B.6030106@pilling.demon.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; > format=flowed > > Hi, > > On 25/05/2015 21:11, Bulborum Botanicum wrote: > > larryryo@gmail.com > is a spammer > > Thanks Roland. I've suspended Larry from posting. I suspect > his email > account has been hacked - long time since we had one of > those events. > > > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 15:56:07 -0700 > From: "Michael Mace" > To: > Subject: [pbs] New Moraea hybrids, 2015 > Message-ID: > <005401d0973d$fd699a20$f83cce60$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > > Hi, gang. > > > > Fair warning -- I am going to talk about hybrids. > > > > My Moraea hybridization results for 2015 are now posted > online. The > highlights for this year include a flower with long black > eyelash streaks on > the tepals, one that looks a bit like a white-skinned > pumpkin, a nice bright > orange with pale blue eyes, and (as I mentioned on the list > a couple of > months ago) what I think may be the first documented Moraea > X Homeria cross. > > > > If you're interested, you can see photos of my favorites > here: > > > > > http://growingcoolplants.blogspot.com/2015/05/moraea-hybrid-summary-2015.htm > l > > > > If you have trouble with that link, here's a shorter > version: > > > > http://bit.ly/1LzHzbd > > > > As for species Moraeas, I spent a lot of time this year > trying to puzzle out > the difference between Moraea bellendenii and Moraea > tricuspidata. According > to Goldblatt's book, the main difference is that > tricuspidata is white and > flat and while bellendenii is yellow and cupped. But what if > you have a pale > yellow-white one that's sort of cupped? Is it a hybrid or a > color variant of > one of the species? Supposedly you can tell the difference > by measuring the > filaments (the little stems that lead to the anthers). But > the darned things > are only a few millimeters long. Just try shoving a ruler > into a tiny little > flower. I ended up plucking off some of the stamens so I > could measure them, > but the stems that i got were shorter than they should be > for either > species. > > > > If anyone can enlighten me, please let me know. > > > > It's become hard to find seeds of Moraea species I don't > already have, but I > did get my first ever flower from Moraea unguiculata, just > last week. The > flower is ridiculously small -- it would fit on the tip of > my finger. After > I saw it I realized that the photos I've seen in books are > all heavily > magnified. Anyway, it was cute, and also notable because it > was the first > time I've gotten a flower from seeds supplied by > rareplants.de. Often their > seeds have failed to sprout for me. > > > > I'll have some seeds of various species for the BX later > this summer, but > nothing like the bumper crop that Bob Werra just discussed. > Bob, I think > you're right, raised beds are the way to go in our part of > California! > > > > Mike > > San Jose, CA > > (zone 9, min temp 20F / -7 C) > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 17:52:11 -0700 > From: Pamela Slate > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] New Moraea Hybrids, 2015 > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > VERY interesting and beautiful, Mike! Congratulations! > P Slate > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 01:16:53 +0000 (UTC) > From: Jim McKenney > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] New Moraea hybrids, 2015 > Message-ID: > <564731957.1978986.1432603013624.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Wow Mike those are exciting.? > And here's a question for the group: who else uses those cut > down vinyl blinds for plant labels? I've been using them for > years.? > Jim McKenney > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 20:05:49 -0700 > From: Anne McNeil > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] New Moraea hybrids, 2015 > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Michael, > > Stupendous! I love them all but really do like the > white one you think is > elegant, I think so too. > > Jim, > > Great idea about the blinds, I've never used them but shall > start! > > Anne McNeil > > On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Jim McKenney > > wrote: > > > Wow Mike those are exciting. > > And here's a question for the group: who else uses > those cut down vinyl > > blinds for plant labels? I've been using them for > years. > > Jim McKenney > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 20:19:34 -0700 > From: Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] New Moraea hybrids, 2015 > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Been using them for 2 years since being introduced to them > when becoming a > Master Gardener. > > Karl > On May 25, 2015 6:17 PM, "Jim McKenney" > wrote: > > > Wow Mike those are exciting. > > And here's a question for the group: who else uses > those cut down vinyl > > blinds for plant labels? I've been using them for > years. > > Jim McKenney > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 22:26:57 -0700 > From: Pamela Slate > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] Fwd: New Moraea Hybrids, 2015 > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Pamela Slate > Date: Mon, May 25, 2015 at 5:52 PM > Subject: New Moraea Hybrids, 2015 > To: Pacific Bulb Society > > > VERY interesting and beautiful, Mike! Congratulations! > P Slate > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 07:15:56 -0400 > From: Mark Mazer > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] New Moraea hybrids, 2015 > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Tom Stuart started me on using vinyl blind labels in > the garden decades > ago. > > Mark Mazer > Hertford, NC USDA 8a > > On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 11:19 PM, Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Been using them for 2 years since being introduced to > them when becoming a > > Master Gardener. > > > > Karl > > On May 25, 2015 6:17 PM, "Jim McKenney" > > wrote: > > > > > Wow Mike those are exciting. > > > And here's a question for the group: who else uses > those cut down vinyl > > > blinds for plant labels? I've been using them for > years. > > > Jim McKenney > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 13:48:58 +0200 > From: a van beek > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] New Moraea hybrids, 2015 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; > format=flowed > > The only thing I can add is use a good waterproof marker. > Some of them > are not so waterproof as claimed as I found out the hard way > 2 years > after returning from holiday. > The person that sold me some succulent pelargoniums wrote > the name with > a white ink marker on the black plastic pots. He told me > that would last > for a least 4 years. I'm trying that now also. > > Aad > > On 5/26/2015 1:15 PM, Mark Mazer wrote: > > Tom Stuart started me on using vinyl blind labels > in the garden decades > > ago. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 14:51:26 -0400 > From: Nicholas plummer > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] vinyl blinds as plant tags (was Re:New Moraea > hybrids, > 2015) > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I have some labels cut from old blinds that are still > flexible after about > 15 years use. However, I always use a No2 (HB) > pencil to label my > plants. I haven't found any pen that lasts as long as > pencil in direct sun. > > Nick > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:48 AM, a van beek > wrote: > > The only thing I can add is use a good waterproof marker. > Some of them are > > not so waterproof as claimed as I found out the hard > way 2 years after > > returning from holiday. > > The person that sold me some succulent pelargoniums > wrote the name with a > > white ink marker on the black plastic pots. He told me > that would last for > > a least 4 years. I'm trying that now also. > > > > Aad > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 15:17:39 -0400 > From: Lamon Ready > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] vinyl blinds as plant tags (was Re:New > Moraea hybrids, > 2015) > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I started out using soda, etc cans, cut into strips various > widths. Start by cutting the bottom off first, > then the top. Trim both rough ends with sisscors. Use > something that has a slight give to it > to place the label on. I usually use a # 2 pencil to > write with, using a little pressure. Fold the 'period' > end into an arrow for added stiffness to insert into the > pot, etc. I sometimes use alum wire stuck > through the 'period' end to loosely wrap around a small > branch, etc. > > I have used the blinds / a # 2 pencil the last 2 years, but > am planning on reverting back to my orginal > alum. ones. > > > > > I have some labels cut from old blinds that are still > flexible after about > > 15 years use. However, I always use a No2 > (HB) pencil to label my > > plants. I haven't found any pen that lasts as > long as pencil in direct sun. > > > > Nick > > > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:48 AM, a van beek > wrote: > > > > The only thing I can add is use a good waterproof > marker. Some of them are > > > not so waterproof as claimed as I found out the > hard way 2 years after > > > returning from holiday. > > > The person that sold me some succulent > pelargoniums wrote the name with a > > > white ink marker on the black plastic pots. He > told me that would last for > > > a least 4 years. I'm trying that now also. > > > > > > Aad > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 148, Issue 18 > ************************************ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From enoster@hotmail.com Mon, 01 Jun 2015 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Oregon Flora book sample pages Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 05:48:01 -0700 Hi, The Oregon Flora Project has released a few sample pages from the upcoming two volume set of the Oregon Flora. Two of the families of interest to the PBS are the Iridaceae and Papaveraceae family entries for their descriptions and keys to genera such as for example: Iris, Corydalis, and Sisyrinchium native to Oregon (including other genera, as well as nonnatives). Find links here: http://www.oregonflora.org/flora.php Papaveraveae: http://www.oregonflora.org/flora/Papaveraceae_flora.pdf Iridaceae: http://www.oregonflora.org/flora/Iridaceae_flora.pdf The Oregon Flora Project is the first complete flora in 50 years, and the most up-to-date when it comes to current distributions, invasive species, and plant names. Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From voltaire@islandnet.com Mon, 01 Jun 2015 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <0BB9469F-5896-478C-BA5C-EFE93F665A44@islandnet.com> From: Diane Whitehead Subject: Oregon Flora book sample pages Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 08:12:06 -0700 It seems that it is not proof-read yet. Just a quick skim of the iris page brings up typos like "andthe" and inconsistencies in spelling - sometimes Iris innominata, sometimes Iris innominate. Diane Whitehead From arnold140@verizon.net Mon, 01 Jun 2015 10:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Arnold Subject: Oregon Flora book sample pages Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:29:57 -0400 The term innominate refers to one half of the pelvis which comprises the ilium, ischium and pubis bones. Arnold New Jersey Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 1, 2015, at 11:12 AM, Diane Whitehead wrote: > > It seems that it is not proof-read yet. Just a quick skim of the iris page brings up typos like "andthe" and inconsistencies in spelling - sometimes Iris innominata, sometimes Iris innominate. > > Diane Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Mon, 01 Jun 2015 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <70A99D27-CCAF-4288-859A-969C95283570@kc.rr.com> From: James Waddick Subject: Oregon Flora book sample pages Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 11:13:52 -0500 Diane, Travis, Interesting start, but I noticed the typos and spelling. Needs an editor especially in regard to construction anomalies in the various keys. Definitely not ready for pub, but thanks for sharing. Jim W. > On Jun 1, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Diane Whitehead wrote: > > It seems that it is not proof-read yet. Just a quick skim of the iris page brings up typos like "andthe" and inconsistencies in spelling - sometimes Iris innominata, sometimes Iris innominate. > > Diane Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 From amcdeubner@gmail.com Mon, 01 Jun 2015 10:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Anne McNeil Subject: R.I.P William (Bill) Janetos [10/17/1952 - 05/25/2015] Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 09:26:41 -0700 I'm very sorry to hear of Bill's passing Mariano, and your loss of a great friend. My condolences. Anne McNeil On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Mariano Saviello < mariano_saviello83@yahoo.com.ar> wrote: > Dear esteemed members, in this occasion I must communicate the loss of my > dearest friend, botanical colleague and one of the administrators of Planet > Botanical Hippeastrum Facebook Group, William Lewis Janetos (Bill Janetos, > 62) of Rollins Road, who passed away on Monday, May 25th, 2015 at > Wentworth-Douglass Hospital in Dover, N.H., with his family by his side. As > well as being an extraordinary person, Bill was an avid orchid, Hippeastrum > and Crocus horticulturalist. Arrangements were under the direction of > Wiggin-Purdy-McCooey-Dion Funeral Home of Dover, N.H. > > R.I.P [10/17/1952 - 05/25/2015] > -------------------------------------------- > El mar 26-may-15, pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org < > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org> escribió: > > Asunto: pbs Digest, Vol 148, Issue 18 > Para: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Fecha: martes, 26 de mayo de 2015, 16:17 > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: List-Archive: > Today's Topics: > > 1. from: larryryo@gmail.com > (larryryo@gmail.com) > 2. Spammer (Bulborum Botanicum) > 3. Re: Spammer (David Pilling) > 4. New Moraea hybrids, 2015 (Michael > Mace) > 5. New Moraea Hybrids, 2015 (Pamela > Slate) > 6. Re: New Moraea hybrids, 2015 (Jim > McKenney) > 7. Re: New Moraea hybrids, 2015 (Anne > McNeil) > 8. Re: New Moraea hybrids, 2015 (Karl > Church) > 9. Fwd: New Moraea Hybrids, 2015 (Pamela > Slate) > 10. Re: New Moraea hybrids, 2015 (Mark Mazer) > 11. Re: New Moraea hybrids, 2015 (a van beek) > 12. vinyl blinds as plant tags (was Re:New Moraea > hybrids, 2015) > (Nicholas plummer) > 13. vinyl blinds as plant tags (was Re:New > Moraea hybrids, 2015) > (Lamon Ready) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 20:51:05 +0200 > From: "larryryo@gmail.com" > > To: "pbs" > Subject: [pbs] from: larryryo@gmail.com > Message-ID: <5371264C-E984-4159-8EC5-9634D1B7FE1C@radioonline.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > > Salutations pbs > > http://emmamclaughlan.com/would.php?higher=nf7xw6txb9ck2 > > > > > larryryo@gmail.com > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 22:11:21 +0200 > From: Bulborum Botanicum > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] Spammer > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > larryryo@gmail.com > is a spammer > > Roland > > > R de Boer > 2238 Route de la Maugardiere > F 27260 EPAIGNES > FRANCE > > Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > Email: bulborum@gmail.com > Facebook Group English :https://www.facebook.com/groups/bulborum/ > > Facebook Group French : https://www.facebook.com/groups/1454572311501070/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 21:25:47 +0100 > From: David Pilling > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Spammer > Message-ID: <5563854B.6030106@pilling.demon.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; > format=flowed > > Hi, > > On 25/05/2015 21:11, Bulborum Botanicum wrote: > > larryryo@gmail.com > is a spammer > > Thanks Roland. I've suspended Larry from posting. I suspect > his email > account has been hacked - long time since we had one of > those events. > > > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 15:56:07 -0700 > From: "Michael Mace" > To: > Subject: [pbs] New Moraea hybrids, 2015 > Message-ID: > <005401d0973d$fd699a20$f83cce60$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > > Hi, gang. > > > > Fair warning -- I am going to talk about hybrids. > > > > My Moraea hybridization results for 2015 are now posted > online. The > highlights for this year include a flower with long black > eyelash streaks on > the tepals, one that looks a bit like a white-skinned > pumpkin, a nice bright > orange with pale blue eyes, and (as I mentioned on the list > a couple of > months ago) what I think may be the first documented Moraea > X Homeria cross. > > > > If you're interested, you can see photos of my favorites > here: > > > > > http://growingcoolplants.blogspot.com/2015/05/moraea-hybrid-summary-2015.htm > l > > > > If you have trouble with that link, here's a shorter > version: > > > > http://bit.ly/1LzHzbd > > > > As for species Moraeas, I spent a lot of time this year > trying to puzzle out > the difference between Moraea bellendenii and Moraea > tricuspidata. According > to Goldblatt's book, the main difference is that > tricuspidata is white and > flat and while bellendenii is yellow and cupped. But what if > you have a pale > yellow-white one that's sort of cupped? Is it a hybrid or a > color variant of > one of the species? Supposedly you can tell the difference > by measuring the > filaments (the little stems that lead to the anthers). But > the darned things > are only a few millimeters long. Just try shoving a ruler > into a tiny little > flower. I ended up plucking off some of the stamens so I > could measure them, > but the stems that i got were shorter than they should be > for either > species. > > > > If anyone can enlighten me, please let me know. > > > > It's become hard to find seeds of Moraea species I don't > already have, but I > did get my first ever flower from Moraea unguiculata, just > last week. The > flower is ridiculously small -- it would fit on the tip of > my finger. After > I saw it I realized that the photos I've seen in books are > all heavily > magnified. Anyway, it was cute, and also notable because it > was the first > time I've gotten a flower from seeds supplied by > rareplants.de. Often their > seeds have failed to sprout for me. > > > > I'll have some seeds of various species for the BX later > this summer, but > nothing like the bumper crop that Bob Werra just discussed. > Bob, I think > you're right, raised beds are the way to go in our part of > California! > > > > Mike > > San Jose, CA > > (zone 9, min temp 20F / -7 C) > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 17:52:11 -0700 > From: Pamela Slate > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] New Moraea Hybrids, 2015 > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > VERY interesting and beautiful, Mike! Congratulations! > P Slate > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 01:16:53 +0000 (UTC) > From: Jim McKenney > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] New Moraea hybrids, 2015 > Message-ID: > <564731957.1978986.1432603013624.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Wow Mike those are exciting.? > And here's a question for the group: who else uses those cut > down vinyl blinds for plant labels? I've been using them for > years.? > Jim McKenney > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 20:05:49 -0700 > From: Anne McNeil > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] New Moraea hybrids, 2015 > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Michael, > > Stupendous! I love them all but really do like the > white one you think is > elegant, I think so too. > > Jim, > > Great idea about the blinds, I've never used them but shall > start! > > Anne McNeil > > On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Jim McKenney > > wrote: > > > Wow Mike those are exciting. > > And here's a question for the group: who else uses > those cut down vinyl > > blinds for plant labels? I've been using them for > years. > > Jim McKenney > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 20:19:34 -0700 > From: Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] New Moraea hybrids, 2015 > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Been using them for 2 years since being introduced to them > when becoming a > Master Gardener. > > Karl > On May 25, 2015 6:17 PM, "Jim McKenney" > wrote: > > > Wow Mike those are exciting. > > And here's a question for the group: who else uses > those cut down vinyl > > blinds for plant labels? I've been using them for > years. > > Jim McKenney > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 22:26:57 -0700 > From: Pamela Slate > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] Fwd: New Moraea Hybrids, 2015 > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Pamela Slate > Date: Mon, May 25, 2015 at 5:52 PM > Subject: New Moraea Hybrids, 2015 > To: Pacific Bulb Society > > > VERY interesting and beautiful, Mike! Congratulations! > P Slate > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 07:15:56 -0400 > From: Mark Mazer > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] New Moraea hybrids, 2015 > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Tom Stuart started me on using vinyl blind labels in > the garden decades > ago. > > Mark Mazer > Hertford, NC USDA 8a > > On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 11:19 PM, Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Been using them for 2 years since being introduced to > them when becoming a > > Master Gardener. > > > > Karl > > On May 25, 2015 6:17 PM, "Jim McKenney" > > wrote: > > > > > Wow Mike those are exciting. > > > And here's a question for the group: who else uses > those cut down vinyl > > > blinds for plant labels? I've been using them for > years. > > > Jim McKenney > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 13:48:58 +0200 > From: a van beek > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] New Moraea hybrids, 2015 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; > format=flowed > > The only thing I can add is use a good waterproof marker. > Some of them > are not so waterproof as claimed as I found out the hard way > 2 years > after returning from holiday. > The person that sold me some succulent pelargoniums wrote > the name with > a white ink marker on the black plastic pots. He told me > that would last > for a least 4 years. I'm trying that now also. > > Aad > > On 5/26/2015 1:15 PM, Mark Mazer wrote: > > Tom Stuart started me on using vinyl blind labels > in the garden decades > > ago. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 14:51:26 -0400 > From: Nicholas plummer > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] vinyl blinds as plant tags (was Re:New Moraea > hybrids, > 2015) > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I have some labels cut from old blinds that are still > flexible after about > 15 years use. However, I always use a No2 (HB) > pencil to label my > plants. I haven't found any pen that lasts as long as > pencil in direct sun. > > Nick > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:48 AM, a van beek > wrote: > > The only thing I can add is use a good waterproof marker. > Some of them are > > not so waterproof as claimed as I found out the hard > way 2 years after > > returning from holiday. > > The person that sold me some succulent pelargoniums > wrote the name with a > > white ink marker on the black plastic pots. He told me > that would last for > > a least 4 years. I'm trying that now also. > > > > Aad > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 15:17:39 -0400 > From: Lamon Ready > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] vinyl blinds as plant tags (was Re:New > Moraea hybrids, > 2015) > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I started out using soda, etc cans, cut into strips various > widths. Start by cutting the bottom off first, > then the top. Trim both rough ends with sisscors. Use > something that has a slight give to it > to place the label on. I usually use a # 2 pencil to > write with, using a little pressure. Fold the 'period' > end into an arrow for added stiffness to insert into the > pot, etc. I sometimes use alum wire stuck > through the 'period' end to loosely wrap around a small > branch, etc. > > I have used the blinds / a # 2 pencil the last 2 years, but > am planning on reverting back to my orginal > alum. ones. > > > > > I have some labels cut from old blinds that are still > flexible after about > > 15 years use. However, I always use a No2 > (HB) pencil to label my > > plants. I haven't found any pen that lasts as > long as pencil in direct sun. > > > > Nick > > > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:48 AM, a van beek > wrote: > > > > The only thing I can add is use a good waterproof > marker. Some of them are > > > not so waterproof as claimed as I found out the > hard way 2 years after > > > returning from holiday. > > > The person that sold me some succulent > pelargoniums wrote the name with a > > > white ink marker on the black plastic pots. He > told me that would last for > > > a least 4 years. I'm trying that now also. > > > > > > Aad > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 148, Issue 18 > ************************************ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1629097657.2789246.1433181240839.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Oregon Flora book sample pages Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 17:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Innominate means "unnamed" or "nameless", and it's an adjective.  The usage Arnold mentions is in fact short for "innominate bone".  In mammals, the three bones which Arnold mentions begin development as separate bones and later fuse to form part of the pelvis. The folks who did the Oregon book probably ran the text through a spell checker - the ones I use routinely change Latin words like innominata to their English cognates - in this case innominate.  Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where the last peonies of this year are withering in the heat as are some lily buds.  _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From dkramb@badbear.com Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Oregon Flora book sample pages Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 13:59:22 -0400 When I hear or see "Iris innominata" I think of Animal from the Muppets singing his mannuh mannuh song but saying innominata instead. There now, hopefully you all have that stuck in your brains. :-P You're welcome. Dennis in Cincinnati From robin@hansennursery.com Mon, 01 Jun 2015 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <80096C5F17E04DDB8C3BBCD20C132B3A@RobinPC> From: "Robin Hansen" Subject: Oregon Flora book sample pages Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 14:09:42 -0700 Diane and All, I've just been in contact with one of the editors of the Oregon Flora volumes. I quote: Those files are about 3 years old and have nothing to do with the final Flora. That page hasn't been updated in years (too many other things to do!). Those were put up there before I had even looked at them. They have been rewritten and proofed a gazillion times since then. I'll try to talk to ***** today about removing them. It's not a very good sales pitch. Please pass this message back to PBS in the meantime. Hopefully this will help explain the situation. Robin Hansen Hansen Nursery SW coast of Oregon From johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de Mon, 01 Jun 2015 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <556CD50F.4020709@t-online.de> From: Johannes Ulrich Urban Subject: eradicate permanent weeds Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 23:56:31 +0200 Dear All, eradicating Alocasia.... they need to be pampered here very much..... Northern Germany is not Alocasia Country. We have our weeds, though. What I do when I really want to clear a piece of land is covering it with a solid fabric made of woven narrow plastic strips. It is used in professional nurseries to cover the ground under pots or containers to keep everything weed free. It does exclude light from the ground but lets air and water through. As it is black the soil under this cover becomes quite warm. I mow the land first as low as possible and then lay the fabric and fix it either with pegs or with stones or heavy boards. it needs a season to kill almost everything, the possible survivors can be easily removed. No chemicals, no effort except preparing by mowing and laying the fabric. But it needs time. The fabric can be used many times. It can be walked upon and is sold on large rolls in different width. Bye for today Uli From janemcgary@earthlink.net Mon, 01 Jun 2015 16:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <556CDE2E.5030802@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: eradicate permanent weeds Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 15:35:26 -0700 The black woven groundcloth mentioned by Uli is also available in the USA from nursery supply companies. I use it a lot under raised beds and in other places where I want to exclude moles, which seem unable, or at least unwilling, to break through it. It will kill off some weeds. but you can't eradicate such problems as blackberries or bracken that way -- their roots are too persistent and will resprout after even three years. This groundcloth, which has a lifespan of about ten years even when exposed to sunlight, comes in various widths and is easily cut with scissors. However, if any debris lands on it in which weed and grass seeds can germinate, they will send their roots down through the groundcloth into the soil below. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA On 6/1/2015 2:56 PM, Johannes Ulrich Urban wrote: > \We have our weeds, though. What I do when I really want to clear a > piece of land is covering it with a solid fabric made of woven narrow > plastic strips. It is used in professional nurseries to cover the > ground under pots or containers to keep everything weed free. It does > exclude light from the ground but lets air and water through. As it is > black the soil under this cover becomes quite warm. I mow the land > first as low as possible and then lay the fabric and fix it either > with pegs or with stones or heavy boards. it needs a season to kill > almost everything, the possible survivors can be easily removed. No > chemicals, no effort except preparing by mowing and laying the fabric. > But it needs time. The fabric can be used many times. It can be walked > upon and is sold on large rolls in different width. From teck11@embarqmail.com Mon, 01 Jun 2015 16:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <001b01d09cbc$2e3e6490$8abb2db0$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: eradicate permanent weeds Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 18:42:02 -0400 Black poly film actually works much faster as it doesn't allow evaporative cooling and can reach about 200 F. Tim Eck From tylus.seklos@gmail.com Mon, 01 Jun 2015 16:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: The Silent Seed Subject: eradicate permanent weeds Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 19:03:33 -0400 What is a "permanent weed" ? As opposed to what ? On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Tim Eck wrote: > Black poly film actually works much faster as it doesn't allow evaporative > cooling and can reach about 200 F. > > Tim Eck > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com From weslor@activ8.net.au Mon, 01 Jun 2015 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <63908F3D375241D99FAC000FA3231469@WESPC> From: "Weslor Flowers Plant Nursery" Subject: Litonia & Bomarea Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 10:47:31 +1000 Hi guys, This is my first request so please be gentle with me. I am looking to purchase species of Bomarea cultivars and Litonia modesta can anyone supply bulbs ?? seeds of these and prices into Australia? If this request is addressed to the wrong list please supply the correct address, thank you. Wes Vidler From arnold140@verizon.net Mon, 01 Jun 2015 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <33183712.2502134.1433213733366.JavaMail.root@vznit170188.mailsrvcs.net> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: Litonia & Bomarea Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 21:55:33 -0500 (CDT) Hi Wes: We do not sell bulbs or seeds. We have a exchange program know as the BX for bulbs and SX for seeds. I don't recall seeds or bulbs of the genus you are looking for but you can check the message archives at the PBS home page. Arnold New Jersey On 06/01/15, Weslor Flowers Plant Nursery wrote: Hi guys, This is my first request so please be gentle with me. I am looking to purchase species of Bomarea cultivars and Litonia modesta can anyone supply bulbs ?? seeds of these and prices into Australia? If this request is addressed to the wrong list please supply the correct address, thank you. Wes Vidler From mateer200@hotmail.com Mon, 01 Jun 2015 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: cal lap Subject: Litonia & Bomarea Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 20:07:01 -0700 Hi Wes Send me a message at mateer210@yahoo.com and I may be able to help you. Calvor Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 1, 2015, at 7:55 PM, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > > Hi Wes: > > We do not sell bulbs or seeds. We have a exchange program know as the BX for bulbs and SX for seeds. > > I don't recall seeds or bulbs of the genus you are looking for but you can check the message archives at the PBS home page. > > Arnold > New Jersey > > > On 06/01/15, Weslor Flowers Plant Nursery wrote: > > Hi guys, > This is my first request so please be gentle with me. > I am looking to purchase species of Bomarea cultivars and Litonia modesta can anyone supply bulbs ?? seeds of these and prices into Australia? If this request is addressed to the wrong list please supply the correct address, thank you. > Wes Vidler > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Mon, 01 Jun 2015 22:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1AB7FA0D-4B84-42C6-B5BA-BA87B955DDE7@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Litonia & Bomarea Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 21:41:59 -0700 Since you're in Australia, economically speaking you're going to want seeds from sources outside of Australia. The Saunders in South Africa often offer seeds of Littonia modesta via their Silverhill Seeds nursery. I'm pretty sure some of the other South African seedspeople offer seeds of it from time to time. (I just checked the Silverhill Seeds website and they're currently offering seeds of it right now. Although they state that it is now called Gloriosa modesta.) As for Bomarea seeds, people like Diana Chapman (Telos) sell plants of a number of species. But I don't think she ships internationally. (She's in the U.S.) Even if she did, I bet it would be almost impossible to get them into Australia alive. Places I've discovered that sell seeds of several species of Bomarea are rarepalmseeds.com in Germany (they've started offering *lots* of non-palm seeds lately) and taste.ecrater.com in the U.S. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Weslor Flowers Plant Nursery wrote: > Hi guys, > This is my first request so please be gentle with me. > I am looking to purchase species of Bomarea cultivars and Litonia modesta can anyone supply bulbs ?? seeds of these and prices into Australia? If this request is addressed to the wrong list please supply the correct address, thank you. > Wes Vidler > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From enoster@hotmail.com Mon, 01 Jun 2015 22:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: eradicate permanent weeds Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 21:52:40 -0700 A thick layer of cardboard works too, tape removed, and covered in a thick layer of mulch. Blackberry crowns should first be dug and the soil sifted for root remnants. Besides that, it works for pretty much all herbaceous weeds except quick grass (stoloniferous/rhizomatous jerk). Cardboard will breakdown so should be replaced annually, but this will eventually improve the soil. Do a search: "Sheet mulching" Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From peter.scaevola@gmail.com Tue, 02 Jun 2015 03:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Peter Franks" Subject: Litonia & Bomarea Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 19:37:59 +1000 Hi Wes A quick trawl of the 'net has come up with an American dealer in exotic plants http://www.strangewonderfulthings.com/List.htm This company offers 10 species or cultivars of Bomarea Indications are that they offer seed of some or many when available Perhaps worth a try Regards Peter Franks -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Weslor Flowers Plant Nursery Sent: Tuesday, 2 June 2015 10:48 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Litonia & Bomarea Hi guys, This is my first request so please be gentle with me. I am looking to purchase species of Bomarea cultivars and Litonia modesta can anyone supply bulbs ?? seeds of these and prices into Australia? If this request is addressed to the wrong list please supply the correct address, thank you. Wes Vidler From peter.scaevola@gmail.com Tue, 02 Jun 2015 03:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Peter Franks" Subject: Litonia & Bomarea Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 19:48:59 +1000 Hi again Wes For Littonia try Bryan H Tonkin Bulbs in Victoria http://www.tonkinsbulbs.com.au/content/winterCatalogueList.htm They have it on their winter bulb lists so available now! Regards Peter Franks -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Weslor Flowers Plant Nursery Sent: Tuesday, 2 June 2015 10:48 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Litonia & Bomarea Hi guys, This is my first request so please be gentle with me. I am looking to purchase species of Bomarea cultivars and Litonia modesta can anyone supply bulbs ?? seeds of these and prices into Australia? If this request is addressed to the wrong list please supply the correct address, thank you. Wes Vidler From enoster@hotmail.com Tue, 02 Jun 2015 05:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Oregon flora sample pages Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 05:07:55 -0700 Thank you Robin for addressing the age of the sample entries. I hadn't read them, only scanned them. D'oh! Here is a page with a few preview pages from Volume 1 of the Oregon Flora: http://shop.brit.org/products/floraoforegon1 Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Tue, 02 Jun 2015 06:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <556DA25A.8050908@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Litonia & Bomarea Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 05:32:26 -0700 Dear Lee: I do do international orders and have shipped to Australia in the past. I do not sell seeds. The problem with Australia is that they require imported bulbs to be quarantined at the recipient's expense, and the importer needs a special license to bring plant material into Australia. Plus they have a very extensive list of banned bulbs. Seeds can be imported into Australia as long as they are labeled with the botanical name and are not on the banned list. Diana Telos > Since you're in Australia, economically speaking you're going to want seeds from sources outside of Australia. > > The Saunders in South Africa often offer seeds of Littonia modesta via their Silverhill Seeds nursery. I'm pretty sure some of the other South African seedspeople offer seeds of it from time to time. (I just checked the Silverhill Seeds website and they're currently offering seeds of it right now. Although they state that it is now called Gloriosa modesta.) > > As for Bomarea seeds, people like Diana Chapman (Telos) sell plants of a number of species. But I don't think she ships internationally. (She's in the U.S.) Even if she did, I bet it would be almost impossible to get them into Australia alive. Places I've discovered that sell seeds of several species of Bomarea are rarepalmseeds.com in Germany (they've started offering *lots* of non-palm seeds lately) and taste.ecrater.com in the U.S. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Weslor Flowers Plant Nursery wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> This is my first request so please be gentle with me. >> I am looking to purchase species of Bomarea cultivars and Litonia modesta can anyone supply bulbs ?? seeds of these and prices into Australia? If this request is addressed to the wrong list please supply the correct address, thank you. >> Wes Vidler >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Tue, 02 Jun 2015 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1433251762.80358.BPMail_high_carrier@web120402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Rick Buell via pbs Subject: Litonia & Bomarea Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 06:29:22 -0700 Hello Diana--I got this email from you by mistake. Thanks, Rick Buell ------------------------------ On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 8:32 AM EDT Diana Chapman wrote: >Dear Lee: > >I do do international orders and have shipped to Australia in the past. >I do not sell seeds. The problem with Australia is that they require >imported bulbs to be quarantined at the recipient's expense, and the >importer needs a special license to bring plant material into >Australia. Plus they have a very extensive list of banned bulbs. Seeds >can be imported into Australia as long as they are labeled with the >botanical name and are not on the banned list. > >Diana >Telos >> Since you're in Australia, economically speaking you're going to want seeds from sources outside of Australia. >> >> The Saunders in South Africa often offer seeds of Littonia modesta via their Silverhill Seeds nursery. I'm pretty sure some of the other South African seedspeople offer seeds of it from time to time. (I just checked the Silverhill Seeds website and they're currently offering seeds of it right now. Although they state that it is now called Gloriosa modesta.) >> >> As for Bomarea seeds, people like Diana Chapman (Telos) sell plants of a number of species. But I don't think she ships internationally. (She's in the U.S.) Even if she did, I bet it would be almost impossible to get them into Australia alive. Places I've discovered that sell seeds of several species of Bomarea are rarepalmseeds.com in Germany (they've started offering *lots* of non-palm seeds lately) and taste.ecrater.com in the U.S. >> >> --Lee Poulsen >> Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a >> Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m >> >> On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Weslor Flowers Plant Nursery wrote: >> >> Hi guys, >> This is my first request so please be gentle with me. >> I am looking to purchase species of Bomarea cultivars and Litonia modesta can anyone supply bulbs ?? seeds of these and prices into Australia? If this request is addressed to the wrong list please supply the correct address, thank you. >> Wes Vidler >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From plicht@berkeley.edu Tue, 02 Jun 2015 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Paul Licht Subject: Young titan arum bloom Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 07:05:26 -0700 We were excited to learn this past weekend that one of the *Arum titanum *tubers produced by our spring, 2008 seed crop bloomed in a greenhouse in Berkeley (see images on https://www.facebook.com/UCBotanicalGarden). We have not pushed the growth of our tuber supply because of space constraints but these plants are clearly able to bloom at an a relatively young age if pampered. The young bloom only reached 4 ft but had a good strong odor. Those of you who recently got a tuber from us now really have something to look forward to. Paul -- Paul Licht, Director University of California Botanical Garden 200 Centennial Drive Berkeley, CA 94720 (510)-643-8999http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu From dkramb@badbear.com Tue, 02 Jun 2015 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Young titan arum bloom Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 10:14:02 -0400 Congratulations Paul! That's a great photo of your stinky new bloomer! One of these days I'll get to smell one for real. Dennis in Cincinnati On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Paul Licht wrote: > We were excited to learn this past weekend that one of the *Arum > titanum *tubers > produced by our spring, 2008 seed crop bloomed in a greenhouse in Berkeley > (see images on https://www.facebook.com/UCBotanicalGarden). We have not > pushed the growth of our tuber supply because of space constraints but > these plants are clearly able to bloom at an a relatively young age if > pampered. The young bloom only reached 4 ft but had a good strong odor. > > Those of you who recently got a tuber from us now really have something to > look forward to. > > Paul > > -- > Paul Licht, Director > University of California Botanical Garden > 200 Centennial Drive > Berkeley, CA 94720 > (510)-643-8999http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From amcdeubner@gmail.com Tue, 02 Jun 2015 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Anne McNeil Subject: Young titan arum bloom Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 10:42:31 -0700 Wonderful pictures and inspiration, Paul! I repotted the tuber I just received from you in a much larger pot hoping to give it room to stretch out! I hope I am as successful as this man! Anne McNeil On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:14 AM, Dennis Kramb wrote: > Congratulations Paul! That's a great photo of your stinky new bloomer! > One of these days I'll get to smell one for real. > > Dennis in Cincinnati > > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Paul Licht wrote: > > > We were excited to learn this past weekend that one of the *Arum > > titanum *tubers > > produced by our spring, 2008 seed crop bloomed in a greenhouse in > Berkeley > > (see images on https://www.facebook.com/UCBotanicalGarden). We have not > > pushed the growth of our tuber supply because of space constraints but > > these plants are clearly able to bloom at an a relatively young age if > > pampered. The young bloom only reached 4 ft but had a good strong odor. > > > > Those of you who recently got a tuber from us now really have something > to > > look forward to. > > > > Paul > > > > -- > > Paul Licht, Director > > University of California Botanical Garden > > 200 Centennial Drive > > Berkeley, CA 94720 > > (510)-643-8999http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From thorney4@dodo.com.au Tue, 02 Jun 2015 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <5g58sdgq2377t7luw0w77948.1433275826849@email.android.com> From: thorney4 Subject: Litonia & Bomarea Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2015 06:16:10 +1000 Hi Diana thanks for the info. I often look at your site and am aware of your terms. So I am not sure what prompted the email it would be a very long time ago that I would have emailed you that's if I did! I do see my reply is forwarded on from Wes's email and someone else also received a copy of my mail. Strange....... Kind regards,  Lee.  Sent from Samsung tablet -------- Original message -------- From: Diana Chapman Date:02/06/2015 10:32 PM (GMT+10:00) To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Litonia & Bomarea Dear Lee: I do do international orders and have shipped to Australia in the past. I do not sell seeds. The problem with Australia is that they require imported bulbs to be quarantined at the recipient's expense, and the importer needs a special license to bring plant material into Australia. Plus they have a very extensive list of banned bulbs. Seeds can be imported into Australia as long as they are labeled with the botanical name and are not on the banned list. Diana Telos > Since you're in Australia, economically speaking you're going to want seeds from sources outside of Australia. > > The Saunders in South Africa often offer seeds of Littonia modesta via their Silverhill Seeds nursery. I'm pretty sure some of the other South African seedspeople offer seeds of it from time to time. (I just checked the Silverhill Seeds website and they're currently offering seeds of it right now. Although they state that it is now called Gloriosa modesta.) > > As for Bomarea seeds, people like Diana Chapman (Telos) sell plants of a number of species. But I don't think she ships internationally. (She's in the U.S.) Even if she did, I bet it would be almost impossible to get them into Australia alive. Places I've discovered that sell seeds of several species of Bomarea are rarepalmseeds.com in Germany (they've started offering *lots* of non-palm seeds lately) and taste.ecrater.com in the U.S. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Weslor Flowers Plant Nursery wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> This is my first request so please be gentle with me. >> I am looking to purchase species of Bomarea cultivars and Litonia modesta can anyone supply bulbs ?? seeds of these and prices into Australia? If this request is addressed to the wrong list please supply the correct address, thank you. >> Wes Vidler >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From tylus.seklos@gmail.com Wed, 03 Jun 2015 13:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: The Silent Seed Subject: Tissue Culturing ? Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 15:33:38 -0400 Does anybody know who is tissue culturing the rarer Amaryllids ? I tried to reach a few but their emails are not active any longer. Please contact me privately if you think you may be able to help. Thank you! Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com From iranaquatic@yahoo.ca Wed, 03 Jun 2015 13:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <601794668.5346089.1433360389880.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: Mohammad Sadegh Subject: Tissue Culturing ? Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 19:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi I do Tissue culture of Lilies but i was not successful with Amaryllis Tissue culture . Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran On Thursday, June 4, 2015 12:03 AM, The Silent Seed wrote: Does anybody know who is tissue culturing the rarer Amaryllids ? I tried to reach a few but their emails are not active any longer. Please contact me privately if you think you may be able to help. Thank you! Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From mzukaitis@msn.com Thu, 04 Jun 2015 09:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: mark zukaitis Subject: Tissue Culturing ? Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 11:27:27 -0400 That's interesting Muhammad. Do you propogate bulblets directly on a cut plate? > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 19:39:49 +0000 > From: iranaquatic@yahoo.ca > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Tissue Culturing ? > > Hi > I do Tissue culture of Lilies but i was not successful with Amaryllis Tissue culture . Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran > > > On Thursday, June 4, 2015 12:03 AM, The Silent Seed wrote: > > > Does anybody know who is tissue culturing the rarer Amaryllids ? I tried to > reach a few but their emails are not active any longer. Please contact me > privately if you think you may be able to help. > Thank you! > Jude > > > -- > The Silent Seed > Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. > thesilentseed.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From iranaquatic@yahoo.ca Thu, 04 Jun 2015 10:17:09 -0700 Message-Id: <1416909789.6102853.1433434841656.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: Mohammad Sadegh Subject: Tissue Culturing ? Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 16:20:41 +0000 (UTC) HI I use 16*100 test tubes for tissue culture of lilium and i culture buds , scales , anthers or stem nodes for direct to indirect bulblet formation .  Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran On Thursday, June 4, 2015 8:03 PM, mark zukaitis wrote: That's interesting Muhammad.  Do you propogate bulblets directly on a cut plate? > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 19:39:49 +0000 > From: iranaquatic@yahoo.ca > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Tissue Culturing ? > > Hi > I do Tissue culture of Lilies but i was not successful with Amaryllis Tissue culture . Mohammad SadeghArdabil ,Iran > > >      On Thursday, June 4, 2015 12:03 AM, The Silent Seed wrote: >    > >  Does anybody know who is tissue culturing the rarer Amaryllids ? I tried to > reach a few but their emails are not active any longer. Please contact me > privately if you think you may be able to help. > Thank you! > Jude > > > -- > The Silent Seed > Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. > thesilentseed.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > >  > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki                         _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From amcdeubner@gmail.com Thu, 04 Jun 2015 11:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Anne McNeil Subject: Asarum Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 10:35:45 -0700 Anyone interested in asarum marmoratum seeds and what is probably a Shasta Iris, but could just be a white Yellowleaf iris seeds? If so, what is the best way to send the asarum seed to Dell? I can send the whole pods and that way they will remain moist inside the pods, or is it better to remove them and place them in plastic bags. I'm afraid they may mold if loose in a plastic bag. Thanks, Anne McNeil From ds429@frontier.com Thu, 04 Jun 2015 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1433452771.63307.YahooMailBasic@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 379 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 14:19:31 -0700 Dear All,       The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at mailto:ds429@frontier.com   Include "BX 379" in the subject line.         Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I do not already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/share of seeds or $3 - $5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added.     Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website:         If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 55 W. High St. Salem, WV 26426 USA Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. Dell's email address ds429@frontier.com Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake.             I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Fred Biasella: 1. Seeds of Hippeastrum 'Red Garden' 2. Small bulbs of Phaedranassa viridiflora From Pam Slate: 3. Seed of xHippeastrelia, selfed. ex Buried Treasures, Valrico, FL 4. Small bulbs of Ornithogallum osmynellum (Albuca osmynella); ex BX 148, ex Steve Hammer, ex Noreogas From Scott VanGerpen: 5. One order, only. All four in a lot:  1 bulb of Biarum marmarisense; 1 cormlet of Geissorhiza radians, 1 bulb of Massonia pygmaea subsp. kamiesbergensis; and 1 bulb of Lachenalia trichophylla From Arnold Trachtenberg: 6. Corms of Chasmanthe floribunda 'Duckittii' From Rimmer de Vries: 7. Bulbs of Albuca suaveolens 8. Tubers of Othonna sp.? Thank you, Fred, Pam, Scott, Arnold, and Rimmer !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From keshabcp@gmail.com Thu, 04 Jun 2015 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Keshab C. Pradhan" Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 379 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 07:32:17 +0530 Hi Dell, Shall be delighted to have # 1 and 3 from BX379. Thanks Keshab On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:49 AM, ds429 wrote: > Dear All, > > The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends > to be shared. > If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY > at > > mailto:ds429@frontier.com > > Include "BX 379" in the subject line. > > > Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not > specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, > too, in case I do not already have it. Availability is based on a first > come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, > included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/share of > seeds or $3 - $5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to < > pbs.treasury@verizon.net>; no money orders, please) you should send the > PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added. > > Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are > not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership > charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb > Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take > advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: < > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/> > > If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the > PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their > donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: > > Dell Sherk > 55 W. High St. > Salem, WV 26426 > USA > > Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. > > ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. > > Dell's email address > ds429@frontier.com > > Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake. > > > > I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. > IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! > > > From Fred Biasella: > 1. Seeds of Hippeastrum 'Red Garden' > 2. Small bulbs of Phaedranassa viridiflora > > From Pam Slate: > 3. Seed of xHippeastrelia, selfed. ex Buried Treasures, Valrico, FL > 4. Small bulbs of Ornithogallum osmynellum (Albuca osmynella); ex BX 148, > ex Steve Hammer, ex Noreogas > > From Scott VanGerpen: > 5. One order, only. All four in a lot: 1 bulb of Biarum marmarisense; 1 > cormlet of Geissorhiza radians, 1 bulb of Massonia pygmaea subsp. > kamiesbergensis; and 1 bulb of Lachenalia trichophylla > > From Arnold Trachtenberg: > 6. Corms of Chasmanthe floribunda 'Duckittii' > > From Rimmer de Vries: > 7. Bulbs of Albuca suaveolens > 8. Tubers of Othonna sp.? > > Thank you, Fred, Pam, Scott, Arnold, and Rimmer !! > > Best wishes, > Dell > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From enoster@hotmail.com Thu, 04 Jun 2015 23:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Mystery Allium (?) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 22:32:16 -0700 Hello, Allium expertise welcome here! Just in the past few days while collecting seed pods of Erythronium hendersonii, I noticed a few small groups of these small white lily-like flowers (added to the "Mystery Bulbs" page on the PBS wiki [1]). The plants were no taller than 5", and the leaves have dried and were disintegrated. The flowers were about 1/8" wide, wider at the mouth, and less than 3/8" long. When I crushed a floret there was the strong smell of garlic, leading me to think it is an Allium. I would rule out Triteleia hyacinthina because it lacks the appendages, and T. hyacinthina grows here too and is much larger and has a much different flower morphology. [1] http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MysteryBulbs Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From plantsman@comcast.net Thu, 04 Jun 2015 23:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <20150605055514.AB280232B7@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Nathan Lange Subject: Mystery Allium (?) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 22:53:20 -0700 Hi Travis, Looks like Allium bolanderi var. mirabile, also native to northern California. You are correct to rule out Triteleia. Nathan At 10:32 PM 6/4/2015, you wrote: >Hello, Allium expertise welcome here! > >Just in the past few days while collecting seed pods of Erythronium >hendersonii, I noticed a few small groups of these small white >lily-like flowers (added to the "Mystery Bulbs" page on the PBS wiki >[1]). The plants were no taller than 5", and the leaves have dried >and were disintegrated. The flowers were about 1/8" wide, wider at >the mouth, and less than 3/8" long. When I crushed a floret there >was the strong smell of garlic, leading me to think it is an Allium. >I would rule out Triteleia hyacinthina because it lacks the >appendages, and T. hyacinthina grows here too and is much larger and >has a much different flower morphology. > >[1] http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MysteryBulbs > >Travis Owen >Rogue River, OR > >amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ds429@frontier.com Fri, 05 Jun 2015 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1433507029.67931.YahooMailBasic@web163102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 379 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 05:23:49 -0700 I have received your order. Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 6/4/15, Keshab C. Pradhan wrote: Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 379 To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Thursday, June 4, 2015, 10:02 PM Hi Dell,            Shall be delighted to have # 1 and 3 from BX379.            Thanks                                                Keshab On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:49 AM, ds429 wrote: > Dear All, > >       The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends > to be shared. > If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY > at > > mailto:ds429@frontier.com > > Include "BX 379" in the subject line. > > >         Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not > specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, > too, in case I do not already have it. Availability is based on a first > come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, > included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/share of > seeds or $3 - $5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to < > pbs.treasury@verizon.net>; no money orders, please) you should send the > PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added. > >     Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are > not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership > charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb > Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take > advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: < > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/> > >         If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the > PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their > donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: > > Dell Sherk > 55 W. High St. > Salem, WV 26426 > USA > > Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. > > ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. > > Dell's email address > ds429@frontier.com > > Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake. > > > >             I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. > IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! > > > From Fred Biasella: > 1. Seeds of Hippeastrum 'Red Garden' > 2. Small bulbs of Phaedranassa viridiflora > > From Pam Slate: > 3. Seed of xHippeastrelia, selfed. ex Buried Treasures, Valrico, FL > 4. Small bulbs of Ornithogallum osmynellum (Albuca osmynella); ex BX 148, > ex Steve Hammer, ex Noreogas > > From Scott VanGerpen: > 5. One order, only. All four in a lot:  1 bulb of Biarum marmarisense; 1 > cormlet of Geissorhiza radians, 1 bulb of Massonia pygmaea subsp. > kamiesbergensis; and 1 bulb of Lachenalia trichophylla > > From Arnold Trachtenberg: > 6. Corms of Chasmanthe floribunda 'Duckittii' > > From Rimmer de Vries: > 7. Bulbs of Albuca suaveolens > 8. Tubers of Othonna sp.? > > Thank you, Fred, Pam, Scott, Arnold, and Rimmer !! > > Best wishes, > Dell > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From enoster@hotmail.com Fri, 05 Jun 2015 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Narcissus species photos Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 05:25:55 -0700 Hello! I am seeking photos of species Narcissus to add to the PBS wiki. Here is the list of the species (be they natural hybrids or subspecies) which we have a description without a photo: abscissus albescens atlanticus aureus baeticus barlae bicolor blancoi bujei calcicarpitanus canaliculatus canariensis carrolazae confusus syn. pseudonarcissus corcyrensis cupularis cypri fontqueri gaditanus gayi genesii-lopezii hispanicus italicus jacquemoudii lagoi lobularis longispathus macrolobus minor syn. pseudonarcissus moleroi nanus ochroleucus pachybolbos palearensis panizzianus parviflorus patulus perez-chiscanoi polyanthus portensis primigenius provincialis pumilus radiiflorus radinganorum syn. pseudonarcissus tingitanus tortifolius tortuosus willkommii The naming of Narcissus and determining what is a good species versus a natural hybrid, subspecies, or just natural variation differs greatly from author to author, so we've strived for the most up-to-date and accurate names. If anyone has photos of any of these that they would like to share with the PBS wiki, please email them to me privately so I can upload them. Thanks! Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Fri, 05 Jun 2015 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Narcissus species photos Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 11:58:18 -0500 Travis, don't have any photos of Narcissus for you, but want to thank you for your interest in populating the wiki with images. -Cynthia Mueller Cynthia W Mueller > On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Travis O wrote: > > Hello! > > I am seeking photos of species Narcissus to add to the PBS wiki. Here is the list of the species (be they natural hybrids or subspecies) which we have a description without a photo: > > abscissus > albescens > atlanticus > aureus > baeticus > barlae > bicolor > blancoi > bujei > calcicarpitanus > canaliculatus > canariensis > carrolazae > confusus syn. pseudonarcissus > corcyrensis > cupularis > cypri > fontqueri > gaditanus > gayi > genesii-lopezii > hispanicus > italicus > jacquemoudii > lagoi > lobularis > longispathus > macrolobus > minor syn. pseudonarcissus > moleroi > nanus > ochroleucus > pachybolbos > palearensis > panizzianus > parviflorus > patulus > perez-chiscanoi > polyanthus > portensis > primigenius > provincialis > pumilus > radiiflorus > radinganorum syn. pseudonarcissus > tingitanus > tortifolius > tortuosus > willkommii > > The naming of Narcissus and determining what is a good species versus a natural hybrid, subspecies, or just natural variation differs greatly from author to author, so we've strived for the most up-to-date and accurate names. > > If anyone has photos of any of these that they would like to share with the PBS wiki, please email them to me privately so I can upload them. > > Thanks! > > Travis Owen > Rogue River, OR > > amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From farmerguys08@gmail.com Fri, 05 Jun 2015 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Paul Machado Subject: Narcissus species photos Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 12:23:32 -0700 Travis, You could try daffseek.org they have 1000's of pictures of Narcissus. I do not know, but would suggest contacting their website manager about using the photos, if possible. All the best, Paul On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > Travis, don't have any photos of Narcissus for you, but want to thank you > for your interest in populating the wiki with images. -Cynthia Mueller > > Cynthia W Mueller > > > On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Travis O wrote: > > > > Hello! > > > > I am seeking photos of species Narcissus to add to the PBS wiki. Here is > the list of the species (be they natural hybrids or subspecies) which we > have a description without a photo: > > > > abscissus > > albescens > > atlanticus > > aureus > > baeticus > > barlae > > bicolor > > blancoi > > bujei > > calcicarpitanus > > canaliculatus > > canariensis > > carrolazae > > confusus syn. pseudonarcissus > > corcyrensis > > cupularis > > cypri > > fontqueri > > gaditanus > > gayi > > genesii-lopezii > > hispanicus > > italicus > > jacquemoudii > > lagoi > > lobularis > > longispathus > > macrolobus > > minor syn. pseudonarcissus > > moleroi > > nanus > > ochroleucus > > pachybolbos > > palearensis > > panizzianus > > parviflorus > > patulus > > perez-chiscanoi > > polyanthus > > portensis > > primigenius > > provincialis > > pumilus > > radiiflorus > > radinganorum syn. pseudonarcissus > > tingitanus > > tortifolius > > tortuosus > > willkommii > > > > The naming of Narcissus and determining what is a good species versus a > natural hybrid, subspecies, or just natural variation differs greatly from > author to author, so we've strived for the most up-to-date and accurate > names. > > > > If anyone has photos of any of these that they would like to share with > the PBS wiki, please email them to me privately so I can upload them. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Travis Owen > > Rogue River, OR > > > > amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From ds429@frontier.com Fri, 05 Jun 2015 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1433537802.67285.YahooMailBasic@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific BX 379 CLOSED Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 13:56:42 -0700 Packages should go out in a week. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From kfong@alumni.caltech.edu Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <6F7A0285-EBFB-43E2-A775-459576236CD8@alumni.caltech.edu> From: Kirby Fong Subject: Narcissus species photos Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 16:00:20 -0700 Yes, daffseek.org has thousands of photos of Narcissus, mostly cultivars but some species as well. The site is maintained by the American Daffodil Society but copyright in the photos remains with the photographers. Don’t just take the photos for the PBS wiki. When anyone wants a photo, the ADS forwards the request to the owner of the photo. There’s more than one system of nomenclature for Narcissus, and the ADS follows the Royal Horticultural Society system. Photos of the species Narcissus are vetted by a committee of experts who try to ensure that the photos are correctly named. Before accepting my photo of N. atlanticus, they asked where did I get the bulbs in order to decide whether they were genuine. For species photographed in situ, the answer about location is matched against the known geographic distribution of the species. Several ADS members have made repeated trips to Spain and other areas where Narcissus occur naturally to look for the species and appreciate how variable the species can be; thus, identifying a species or a natural hybrid is not a sure thing, and a photo or two might not accurately express the full range of forms that a particular species can take. Michael Salmon who did business as Monocot Nursery in England had his own nomenclature system under which he sold seeds and bulbs of species Narcissus. This no doubt has contributed to the confusion in identifying species grown in cultivation. While there’s nothing wrong with having photos of species Narcissus in the PBS wiki, you might want to include a link to daffseek.org and an explanation of how to view the photos of species that it contains. Kirby Fong > On Jun 5, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Paul Machado wrote: > > Travis, > You could try daffseek.org they have 1000's of pictures of Narcissus. > I do not know, but would suggest contacting their website manager about > using the photos, if possible. > All the best, > Paul > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From enoster@hotmail.com Sun, 07 Jun 2015 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Bulbs, wildflowers Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 11:39:33 -0700 Hi! I put a new blog post up yesterday, many wildflowers to share with you all! Many bulbs blooming now, including new-to-me Allium bolanderi subsp. mirabile which has been under my nose for years completely unnoticed (because it's tiny and is nearly impossible to see from any short distance, even standing). See it here: http://amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com/2015/06/diversity.html Or if it doesn't wrap correctly, try this: http://tinyurl.com/po643o8 On a separate but somewhat relevant note, this has been a good year for seed of Dichelostemma capitatum, Erythronium hendersonii, and Dodecatheon hendersonii. I will be sending surplus seed of all of those to Dell for the SX. Yay! Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Sun, 07 Jun 2015 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <5574CA1E.8050905@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Subject: Hippeastrum Calypratum - source of seeds? Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2015 23:47:58 +0100 Hi, I had a couple of emails from Brenda Ford about Hippeastrum Calypratum. If you know of a current source for the seeds, reply to the list and Brenda will see your message. First email... Years ago I got seeds for this from Park seed. They grew into bulbs in no time and they flowered every year. They did have a weird smell. Used to think like naugahyde. (sp.) that faux leather. When I moved I left them with a caretaker and only one survived when I returned. And then I took it with me to California and wrapped it in a newspaper because it was not doing poorly and then it molded and that was that. I thought that I would be able to find seeds again, but now it seems listed as something rare and difficult to grow. I just grew it like a normal plant, in a pot, like an amaryllis with the bulb above soil somewhat. Seemed to do better in a drier climate. (It did well in Idaho.) Seems like I had it in a finer textured soil than recommended. It's been so long. But someone should try those seeds again. I'm sure it was Park seed that had them. In the early 80's. Second email... I wish that I could remember the details better. Just kept hoping that the seeds would surface again. I think that I have some old photographs of them in bloom somewhere in the attic. Had no idea that the cultivation was supposed to be so problematic. I am all but certain it was Park seed. We used to laugh because part of the selling point on the seed was that the flower had some sort of odor that I had interpreted as pleasant, but that was a big stretch. It was some sort of plasticky smell. We may have taken the plants about with us when we moved to Minneapolis and then to Illinois. We had blooms for more than a couple of years. We lost all but one of the plants when we left them with a house sitter in Idaho when we moved out here to California. The house sitter killed most of the houseplants by keeping the house too hot and not watering, but one of the bulbs survived. It rotted when we brought it out here to Humboldt County, though. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From teck11@embarqmail.com Sun, 07 Jun 2015 17:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: <00d301d0a17a$04232ac0$0c698040$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: Hippeastrum Calypratum - source of seeds? Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 19:31:00 -0400 You can usually get them from Mauro Peixoto (sp?) at http://www.brazilplants.com/Seeds.html He has two varieties for sale now. Tim Eck When a philosopher says something that is true, then it is trivial. When he says something that is not trivial, then it is false. Gauss > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of David Pilling > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 6:48 PM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] Hippeastrum Calypratum - source of seeds? > > Hi, > > I had a couple of emails from Brenda Ford about Hippeastrum Calypratum. > > If you know of a current source for the seeds, reply to the list and Brenda will > see your message. > > First email... > > Years ago I got seeds for this from Park seed. They grew into bulbs in no time > and they flowered every year. They did have a weird smell. > Used to think like naugahyde. (sp.) that faux leather. When I moved I left > them with a caretaker and only one survived when I returned. And then I > took it with me to California and wrapped it in a newspaper because it was > not doing poorly and then it molded and that was that. I thought that I would > be able to find seeds again, but now it seems listed as something rare and > difficult to grow. I just grew it like a normal plant, in a pot, like an amaryllis > with the bulb above soil > somewhat. Seemed to do better in a drier climate. (It did well in > Idaho.) Seems like I had it in a finer textured soil than recommended. > It's been so long. But someone should try those seeds again. I'm sure it was > Park seed that had them. In the early 80's. > > Second email... > > > I wish that I could remember the details better. Just kept hoping that the > seeds would surface again. I think that I have some old photographs of them > in bloom somewhere in the attic. Had no idea that the cultivation was > supposed to be so problematic. I am all but certain it was Park seed. We > used to laugh because part of the selling point on the seed was that the > flower had some sort of odor that I had interpreted as pleasant, but that was > a big stretch. It was some sort of plasticky smell. > > We may have taken the plants about with us when we moved to > Minneapolis and then to Illinois. We had blooms for more than a couple of > years. > We lost all but one of the plants when we left them with a house sitter in > Idaho when we moved out here to California. The house sitter killed most of > the houseplants by keeping the house too hot and not watering, but one of > the bulbs survived. It rotted when we brought it out here to Humboldt > County, though. > > > > -- > David Pilling > www.davidpilling.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From robin@hansennursery.com Mon, 08 Jun 2015 22:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <373AEA1F213D4FDD811379C231E47311@RobinPC> From: "Robin Hansen" Subject: Bulbous Corydalis species Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 21:22:17 -0700 Does anyone have any experience growing bulbous Corydalis or have a collection of same? I’ve tried seed from seed exchanges over and over again with no luck. So far my only success has been with C. solida ‘George Baker’, which I bought at a plant sale. Thanks, Robin Hansen Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com Southwest Oregon – warm and dry and cold wind in late afternoon _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From penstemon@Q.com Mon, 08 Jun 2015 22:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <20F315A4C0EE488DBF4F155F130F4DBB@bobPC> From: "penstemon" Subject: Bulbous Corydalis species Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 22:51:51 -0600 Does anyone have any experience growing bulbous Corydalis or have a collection of same? I’ve tried seed from seed exchanges over and over again with no luck. So far my only success has been with C. solida ‘George Baker’, which I bought at a plant sale. I think corydalis seed is short-lived. In the garden here, regular C. solida and also C. angustifolia produce millions of viable seeds every year. The many named varieties of C. solida have not produced seedlings here, that I’ve noticed, anyway. Buying bulbs is easier. (Though not cheaper.) Here’s a link to my photobucket album of some corydalis in the garden. The pictures aren’t very good. http://s1265.photobucket.com/user/paridevita/library/corydalis?sort=3&page=1 Of these, all are self-infertile except for C. ruksansii, which has produced more than a few seedlings. Bob Nold Denver, Colorado, USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From petersirises@gmail.com Tue, 09 Jun 2015 00:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: Bulbous Corydalis species Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 07:50:14 +0100 yes I have a collection. As Bob Nold writes, most are supposed to be self infertile. I may have had more than one clone, but I think that there was only one when I too had self sown seedlingsof C ruksanii, I also had a seedling of C nudicaulis appear where I had had only one clone. The Leontocoides do cross with each other however, and I try to seperate some species to prevent this. Seed which is not sown freshly is unlikely to germinate. I have had a seedling germinate three years after sowing. The seed was six months old, the only other seed to germinate in that pot came up soon after sowing. Peter (UK) On 9 June 2015 at 05:51, penstemon wrote: > Does anyone have any experience growing bulbous Corydalis or have a > collection of same? I’ve tried seed from seed exchanges over and over > again with no luck. So far my only success has been with C. solida ‘George > Baker’, which I bought at a plant sale. > > I think corydalis seed is short-lived. In the garden here, regular C. > solida and also C. angustifolia produce millions of viable seeds every > year. The many named varieties of C. solida have not produced seedlings > here, that I’ve noticed, anyway. > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From enoster@hotmail.com Tue, 09 Jun 2015 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Narcissus species photos Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 05:40:16 -0700 Thank you to those who have sent photos so far! Your photos have been added, and your names have been placed on the Contributor page. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Narcissus The PBS wiki Narcissus page does have a link to Daffseek, as well as some other links. I thought I'd try the PBS list first, then Daffseek. Daffseek has a special request form for obtaining permission to use photos. And of course, no image makes it onto the PBS wiki without permission from the copyright holder. Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From arnold140@verizon.net Tue, 09 Jun 2015 09:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <27171718.1470953.1433866271622.JavaMail.root@vznit170130.mailsrvcs.net> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: Narcissus species photos Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2015 11:11:11 -0500 (CDT) Hi Travis: I took the photos and the bulbs were from Brian Duncan. Arnold New Jersey On 06/09/15, Travis O wrote: Thank you to those who have sent photos so far! Your photos have been added, and your names have been placed on the Contributor page. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Narcissus The PBS wiki Narcissus page does have a link to Daffseek, as well as some other links. I thought I'd try the PBS list first, then Daffseek. Daffseek has a special request form for obtaining permission to use photos. And of course, no image makes it onto the PBS wiki without permission from the copyright holder. Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From janemcgary@earthlink.net Tue, 09 Jun 2015 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <55773751.2080602@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Bulbous Corydalis species Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2015 11:58:25 -0700 I have a number of bulbous Corydalis species and selections, some from Ruksans and a few given me long ago by Henrik Zetterlund. A few of them do self-sow, and I think the seedlings of a single clone are true, notably C. henrikii and C. schanginii ssp. ainae. I have read that the seeds have short viability so I just let them drop in the raised beds where they grow. However, I have raised a few species from stored seed; usually only one seed from a packet will germinate, and this is typical of short-lived seeds, which are always worth sowing even if they have that reputation. Most of the Ruksans named forms are color selections of C. solida, and not all of them are really distinctive. They multiply quickly, as is typical of C. solida in gardens in this area (western Oregon). There is also a selection, I'm not sure if it's solida or a hybrid, called 'Beth Evans', which is widely available in garden centers now. It is smaller than typical C. solida and soft pink in flower, and multiplies very rapidly. Some of the bulbous species do not multiply rapidly; I think a few of them don't offset or split at all, but rather the tubers (not bulbs) just get larger year by year. I used to keep them in plunged pots, but now I have them in raised beds and they immediately became much larger and more floriferous. Some kinds send out their stems horizontally below the soil surface; I was hoping they were forming offsets along the stems, but I haven't found any so far. An interesting thing about Corydalis when you see them in the wild is the color variation within a population. On a recent trip to Azerbaijan and eastern Turkey, we had some discussions about whether we were seeing one or more species flowering in the alpine meadows, but I think it was just one, probably one close to C. oppositifolia. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From petersirises@gmail.com Tue, 09 Jun 2015 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: Bulbous Corydalis species Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 20:36:08 +0100 Robin, which species interest you? Most of the Leonticoides species rarely divide except as bits from old tubers. They have to be grown from seeds. The solida / cava types do divide, as do species such as nudicaulis, shangii, glaucescens..... Peter (UK) From robin@hansennursery.com Tue, 09 Jun 2015 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <7204F310D2F24F368B321DC3AFE561E9@RobinPC> From: "Robin Hansen" Subject: Bulbous Corydalis species Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 13:10:01 -0700 I have Ruksans' book on bulbs and I've spent hours drooling over the incredible number of corydalis, so all I know is that I want to try more... Robin Oregon USA which species interest you? Most of the Leonticoides species rarely divide except as bits from old tubers. They have to be grown from seeds. The solida / cava types do divide, as do species such as nudicaulis, shangii, glaucescens..... Peter (UK) _______________________________________________ From petersirises@gmail.com Tue, 09 Jun 2015 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: Bulbous Corydalis species Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 21:18:52 +0100 I sympathise! The nature of what he terms "western woodlanders" is very different to some of the central asian species. I have little time to hand pollinate, but I do always buy two or more clones if I can. If you can obtain seeds from Jan Jilik you may get something interesting, but you need to get seeds from the northern hemisphere quickley at this time of year, if you want decent germination. On 9 June 2015 at 21:10, Robin Hansen wrote: > I have Ruksans' book on bulbs and I've spent hours drooling over the > incredible number of corydalis, so all I know is that I want to try more... > > From enoster@hotmail.com Wed, 10 Jun 2015 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Naturalizing Alliums Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 09:14:09 -0700 Hello, I am looking for suggestions for non-weedy Alliums that can be naturalized in a wet cold winter/dry baking summer climate (Grants Pass, OR)? I would prefer short plants. And ideas? Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From janemcgary@earthlink.net Wed, 10 Jun 2015 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <557868D4.9050109@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Naturalizing Alliums Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 09:41:56 -0700 In my experience, Allium falcifolium, Allium siskiyouense, and Allium bolanderi are not aggressive seeders. Allium hyalinum increases rapidly by offsets and I would not recommend it if you want to keep it to a small space, but it did not seed much in my garden. Allium oreophilum, an Old World species, might be suitable. There was a pink-flowered species that I received from the Robinetts under what Mark McDonough felt was the wrong name, and it became quite a pest; I'm still not sure what it is, but I did not bring any from the old garden (which is now owned by people who like native West Coast plants and are not particular about confining them). There are also some western American species that I classify as "middle-sized" (in flower, more than 10 cm and less than 30 cm tall). Allium peninsulare and the similar Allium crispum do not increase much. Allium douglasii is perhaps too aggressive here. For Travis's area in southern Oregon I would stay initially with the western American species, of which there is a very large number. There are some notoriously weedy species among the Old World contingent. Search, and perhaps ask here, before turning them loose. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA On 6/10/2015 9:14 AM, Travis O wrote: > Hello, > > I am looking for suggestions for non-weedy Alliums that can be naturalized in a wet cold winter/dry baking summer climate (Grants Pass, OR)? I would prefer short plants. > > And ideas? > > Travis Owen > Rogue River, OR > > amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Wed, 10 Jun 2015 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Mary Craft via pbs Subject: Naturalizing Alliums Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 10:10:08 -0700 I would like to try some Allium in my garden, which is somewhat shady (4 hours sun at most) and deer-infested. Soil drains well and high summer temp is 80. Any ideas for specific varieties? Mary Craft Port Townsend, WA, USA > On Jun 10, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Jane McGary wrote: > > In my experience, Allium falcifolium, Allium siskiyouense, and Allium bolanderi are not aggressive seeders. Allium hyalinum increases rapidly by offsets and I would not recommend it if you want to keep it to a small space, but it did not seed much in my garden. Allium oreophilum, an Old World species, might be suitable. There was a pink-flowered species that I received from the Robinetts under what Mark McDonough felt was the wrong name, and it became quite a pest; I'm still not sure what it is, but I did not bring any from the old garden (which is now owned by people who like native West Coast plants and are not particular about confining them). > > There are also some western American species that I classify as "middle-sized" (in flower, more than 10 cm and less than 30 cm tall). Allium peninsulare and the similar Allium crispum do not increase much. Allium douglasii is perhaps too aggressive here. > > For Travis's area in southern Oregon I would stay initially with the western American species, of which there is a very large number. There are some notoriously weedy species among the Old World contingent. Search, and perhaps ask here, before turning them loose. > > Jane McGary > Portland, Oregon, USA > > On 6/10/2015 9:14 AM, Travis O wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I am looking for suggestions for non-weedy Alliums that can be naturalized in a wet cold winter/dry baking summer climate (Grants Pass, OR)? I would prefer short plants. >> >> And ideas? >> >> Travis Owen >> Rogue River, OR >> >> amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Wed, 10 Jun 2015 22:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: John Ralph Carpenter via pbs Subject: Narcissus species photos Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 19:56:26 +0100 I took some pictures of *Narcissus asturiensis* in habitat high in the Picos de Europa in June 2010, if these are of any use. On 9 June 2015 at 13:40, Travis O wrote: > Thank you to those who have sent photos so far! Your photos have been > added, and your names have been placed on the Contributor page. > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Narcissus > > The PBS wiki Narcissus page does have a link to Daffseek, as well as some > other links. I thought I'd try the PBS list first, then Daffseek. Daffseek > has a special request form for obtaining permission to use photos. And of > course, no image makes it onto the PBS wiki without permission from the > copyright holder. > > Travis Owen > Rogue River, OR > > amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- Ralph Carpenter 2 & 3 Stone Cottages Chilmington Green Great Chart Ashford Kent TN23 3DW 01233 637567 From enoster@hotmail.com Wed, 10 Jun 2015 22:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Narcissus species photos Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 21:30:20 -0700 Thank you Arnold, I'll correct the photo credits. Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From dkramb@badbear.com Thu, 11 Jun 2015 07:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Manfreda virginica, pollen request Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 09:29:04 -0400 Once again my Manfreda virginica isn't going to bloom this year when my other Manfreda & Polianthes bloom. I have been trying for about 7 years to repeat some of Jon Lindstroms crosses, to no avail. Manfreda maculosa is now in bloom on my windowsill. Does anyone have M. virginica pollen they could send me? I'd like to try crossing it with Polianthes tuberosa, too. Does anyone have pollen of that available? I lost my Polianthes tuberosa 2 years ago in winter. I replaced it with the Polianthes 'Super Gold' which didn't bloom last year, but might this fall. I bought 3 bulbs and each one produced a dozen+ offsets. Now that's prolific! Dennis in Cincinnati From xerantheum@gmail.com Thu, 11 Jun 2015 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Amaryllis belladonna blooming project - year 4 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 17:22:27 -0500 Dear bulbophiles, The first Amaryllis belladonna of the season has popped in Berkeley. This is going to be an early year. I'm continuing to collect data for the blooming time for this species. This would be the fourth annual email that I have sent out to the group requesting your help to collect data for a project. The main goal is to collect blooming time of Amaryllis belladonna to determine what cause the flowers to break dormancy and start growing. So far based on three year's data, the blooming time correlated with temperature. I would like to collect more data as it will support the temperature hypothesis. This is where you can help. Please visit the survey form below: http://goo.gl/forms/ntoV05wep9 Once you're there, just fill in the blanks and that's it. Please feel free to fill in as many times as you wish as they continue to bloom or if you see them elsewhere. Thanks in advance for your help! Nhu From enoster@hotmail.com Thu, 11 Jun 2015 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Amaryllis belladonna blooming project - year 4 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 19:06:41 -0700 Nhu, I will watch for them in the gardens of others, I do not possess any myself. One issue, the link takes me to a warning: "404: Page does not exist" Just curious, do they bloom the year they are planted or do they take a year to settle in before blooming? I'm not sure they perennialize well where I live, zone 7. Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Fri, 12 Jun 2015 05:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <557AC0DB.2070305@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Subject: Amaryllis belladonna blooming project - year 4 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 12:22:03 +0100 Hi Travis, On 12/06/2015 03:06, Travis O wrote: > One issue, the link takes me to a warning: "404: Page does not exist" Working OK, now, for me. > Just curious, do they bloom the year they are planted Context, they are problematical, that's why there is a blooming project. For some people they never bloom. Mine took three years. At the moment mine have lots of green leaves, which is how it should be, here in the cold wet North. Flowering will be early September. (actually a lovely warm (70F) sunny day in England [1]). But they are worth the effort. [1] this bit of England, on the North West coast, there's a "weather warning" of heavy rain (!) for the South. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From rdevries@comcast.net Fri, 12 Jun 2015 08:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <25A5D295-2EC0-430A-9DAD-FC50E4B0CCED@comcast.net> From: Rimmer deVries Subject: Clinanthus nomenclature confusion Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:50:18 -0400 I noticed that over the past 12 months the PBS Wiki has changed the listing synonyms for Clinantus incarnatus and Clinanthus vereigatus. currently the wiki has the bright yellow, red and peach forms with the strapped shaped smooth glaucous leaves listed as: Clinanthus incarnatus <> (syn. Stenomesson incarnatum (Kunth) Baker 1871) and the larger plant with the wider green and somewhat channeled leaves that needs a dryer growing environment listed as: Clinanthus variegatus <> (syn. Stenomesson variegatum) is native to Peru. previously they were listed as Clinanthus incarnatus <> (syn. Stenomesson variegatum) and Clinanthus variegatus (syn. Stenomesson incarnatum (Kunth) which was extremely confusing, switching both surnames and epitaphs. But these former listings are mimicked elsewhere on the web. i was wondering if someone with access to the 2000 study by Alan Meerow, CHARLES L. GUY and QIN-BAO LI, SI-LIN YANG "Phylogeny of the American Amaryllidaceae based on nrDNA ITS sequences", in Systematic Botany that split the Stenomesseae Tribe into two separate groups and resurrected name of Clianthus to be used for the species that have lorate, or strap-shaped leaves and Stenomesson for the species that had petiolate, or stalked, leaves could recheck these names and put a discussion comment on the wiki. Thank you Rimmer deVries SE MI Zone 5 where Clinanthus variegatus <> ( the larger plant with the wider and channeled leaves that needs a dryer growing environment is is bloom now. From xerantheum@gmail.com Fri, 12 Jun 2015 08:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Clinanthus nomenclature confusion Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 09:59:38 -0500 Hi Rimmer, I made the changes myself according to the literature from Dr. Meerow. We do our best to represent the most accurate and up to date information according to the literature, and you can see that we cited the Meerow et al. 2000 paper at the top of each of the pages. Many of the websites and sellers of these bulbs still call them by their old name that contribute to the continuing confusion. Nhu On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Rimmer deVries wrote: > I noticed that over the past 12 months the PBS Wiki has changed the > listing synonyms for Clinantus incarnatus and Clinanthus vereigatus. > > currently the wiki has the bright yellow, red and peach forms with > the strapped shaped smooth glaucous leaves listed as: > *Clinanthus incarnatus* (syn. *Stenomesson incarnatum* (Kunth) Baker > 1871) > > and the larger plant with the wider green and somewhat channeled leaves that > needs a dryer growing environment listed as: > *Clinanthus variegatus* (syn. *Stenomesson variegatum*) is native to Peru. > > previously they were listed as *Clinanthus incarnatus* (syn. *Stenomesson > variegatum*) and *Clinanthus variegatus *(syn. *Stenomesson incarnatum* (Kunth) > which was extremely confusing, switching both surnames and epitaphs. But these > former listings are mimicked elsewhere on the web. > > i was wondering if someone with access to the *2000 study by Alan Meerow, > CHARLES L. GUY and QIN-BAO LI, SI-LIN YANG "Phylogeny of the American > Amaryllidaceae based on nrDNA ITS sequences", in Systematic Botany* that > split the Stenomesseae Tribe into two separate groups and resurrected name > of *Clianthus* to be used for the species that have lorate, or > strap-shaped leaves and *Stenomesson* for the species that had petiolate, > or stalked, leaves could recheck these names and put a discussion comment > on the wiki. > > Thank you > > Rimmer deVries > SE MI Zone 5 > where *Clinanthus variegatus* ( the larger plant with the wider and > channeled leaves that needs a dryer growing environment is is bloom now. > > From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <14de8b0b4f0-538d-1666@webprd-a93.mail.aol.com> From: Ernie DeMarie via pbs Subject: Amaryllis belladonna blooming project - year 4 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 12:53:24 -0400 Nhu, so far the Amaryllis belladonna continue to survive against the wall in my school garden in Chappaqua NY despite two very harsh winters. This winter the leaves didnt get very far before they were burnt back, but right now they are lush and green, so it can adapt to our climate provided the bulb doesnt get deeply frozen (hence the against the wall position). Last summer they bloomed in August, I suspect they will do the same this year. Last year the foliage didnt really die back until July. IIRC I had two bulbs bloom last year out of several. Ernie DeMarie In NY where the first Crinum bulbispermum bloomed and is sending up a second spike. Totally hardy here. -----Original Message----- From: Nhu Nguyen To: Pacific Bulb Society ; Gastil Gastil-Buhl Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2015 6:22 pm Subject: [pbs] Amaryllis belladonna blooming project - year 4 Dear bulbophiles, The first Amaryllis belladonna of the season has popped in Berkeley. This is going to be an early year. I'm continuing to collect data for the blooming time for this species. This would be the fourth annual email that I have sent out to the group requesting your help to collect data for a project. The main goal is to collect blooming time of Amaryllis belladonna to determine what cause the flowers to break dormancy and start growing. So far based on three year's data, the blooming time correlated with temperature. I would like to collect more data as it will support the temperature hypothesis. This is where you can help. Please visit the survey form below: http://goo.gl/forms/ntoV05wep9 Once you're there, just fill in the blanks and that's it. Please feel free to fill in as many times as you wish as they continue to bloom or if you see them elsewhere. Thanks in advance for your help! Nhu _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1684799640.1824197.1434128788921.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Amaryllis belladonna blooming project - year 4 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 17:06:28 +0000 (UTC) The Amaryllis belladonna here, planted in the ground inside a cold frame in 2005, has produced a thick tuft of leaves but has never bloomed. Earlier this year, I forgot to close the cold frame tight  during a freak temperature drop in April and the foliage of the plant, for the first time since it was originally planted, was destroyed above ground. It has since regrown.  Nhu, you mentioned that early reports seem to suggest that temperature is a triggering factor. Does that mean a trending rise in temperature or a trending drop in temperature or just an increase in fluctuations of temperature?  Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where the first lilies have started.  _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Fri, 12 Jun 2015 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1249474694.1840484.1434130344315.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Hymenocallis/Ismene narcissiflora Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 17:32:24 +0000 (UTC) I'm searching for a source for the "old, original" Hymenocallis/Ismene narcissiflora. I have not seen this plant on a commercial list for years. Out of curiosity, I did a Google search of images to see what was out there. Of the first 56 images I looked at using Google images, only one is clearly the plant I'm looking for, and two others might be it. The remaining 50+ are not even of Hymenocallis/Ismene narcissiflora.  The one plant which is clearly the one I'm looking for is shown in an image from the garden of a contributor to this list: Judy Glattstein. And that image was the 56th image displayed.   I called it the "old, original" form because this form typically has only 5 (rather than 6) tepals. This form can be seen in photographs in books published around the time of the WWI - maybe earlier.  If you know of a source for this once common plant, please contact me privately.  Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where a plant of Achimines pedunculata from Uli Urban in BX 357 has finally reappeared - it bloomed last year but disappeared in the fall and a thorough (or so I thought at the time) search of its pot turned up nothing.  _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Fri, 12 Jun 2015 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1434134219.50059.BPMail_high_carrier@web120401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Rick Buell via pbs Subject: eithea blumenavia seed germination (Rick Buell) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 11:36:59 -0700 I have seed pods of e.blumenavia that are about to ripen. Has anyone germinated these before, and are they recalcitrant? There apparently have a very hard coat. Is germination improved or accelerated by scarring or chipping this coat? Thanks, Rick Buell New London, CT From k.preteroti@verizon.net Fri, 12 Jun 2015 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <75A0E4F1-97B9-416F-968B-9D76D5F05B37@verizon.net> From: Kenneth Subject: Watering dormant Amaryllidaceae Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 14:47:06 -0400 I realize this is a broad question. Since Amaryllidaceae keep their roots when dormant should they be occasionally lightly watered to keep the roots alive. Say once a month. To narrow down the species in question I am looking at the African species: Haemanthus, Ammocharis and Brunsvigia. A follow up question should their dormancy be cool dry, my basement for example, or warm dry greenhouse. Ken P Old Bridge, NJ Zone 6b Ken P Old Bridge, NJ Zone 6b From kimcmich@hotmail.com Fri, 12 Jun 2015 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Watering dormant Amaryllidaceae Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 12:37:45 -0700 Ken, South Africa gets, even in most of its summer-dry Mediterranean areas where Amaryllids are most diverse, some summer precipitation. Your plants' need for extra summer water depends on so many things: Which species you grow, the kinds of pots you use, etc. In most general terms, plants in the ground or raised beds do not likely need extra summer water (mine in Berkeley receive none from June to October) and in your climate would likely need protection from summer rain. Plants in pots - especially clay pots or rootbound plants - would almost certainly benefit from a light water every few weeks in the heat of summer. I would suggest a warm/dry dormancy in your greenhouse - in the shade of a dry bench. The best way to determine if your plants are happy with this setup is to unpot a plant at the end of summer and see if the roots have died back from the sides/bottom of the pot. If so, the plant was drier than it preferred. If the roots are fine (or coming out the bottom even), the plant likes the treatment. -| From: k.preteroti@verizon.net > Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 14:47:06 -0400 > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [pbs] Watering dormant Amaryllidaceae > > I realize this is a broad question. Since Amaryllidaceae keep their roots when dormant should they be occasionally lightly watered to keep the roots alive. Say once a month. To narrow down the species in question I am looking at the African species: Haemanthus, Ammocharis and Brunsvigia. A follow up question should their dormancy be cool dry, my basement for example, or warm dry greenhouse. > > Ken P > Old Bridge, NJ > Zone 6b > > > > Ken P > Old Bridge, NJ > Zone 6b > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Fri, 12 Jun 2015 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <14de965288a-16c7-6c08@webprd-a05.mail.aol.com> From: Ernie DeMarie via pbs Subject: eithea blumenavia seed germination (Rick Buell) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 16:10:30 -0400 Hi Rick, It would appear that the seed should be sown fresh, I have gotten seed from elsewhere that has dried and it seems to not be viable. I would suggest sowing it right away embedded in the surface of a good mix as one would with crinum seed. I doubt chipping the coat is necessary, when they dry out for a while they shrivel. Ernie DeMarie Briarcliff Manor NY where the Erythrina zeyheri (only true geophyte in the genus) that was given some winter protection continues to grow robustly. Might even flower if I am lucky. From michaelcmace@gmail.com Fri, 12 Jun 2015 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <00c801d0a54e$41040900$c30c1b00$@gmail.com> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: A. belladonna blooming project, and watering Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 13:27:49 -0700 Nhu wrote: > The first Amaryllis belladonna of the season has popped in Berkeley. Wow! That's super-early for this part of California. I wonder if all of the others will bolt. Last year the blooming at my place was unusually spread out, with some of the plants unusually earlier than the others. It's very interesting to see the reports from people who have them still in leaf. In my place they have been totally dormant for at least a month. Those bulbs are very adaptable, even if they don't always bloom. Kipp, I agree with what you said about supplemental water. I recall reading an article years ago, maybe in the old Herbertia, in which someone said they had tied for years to get Brunsvigia to bloom in the ground in California. They didn't have much success until they moved the bulbs into an orchard, between the trees where the surface would be totally dry but the roots would have access to some moisture in summer. It worked. I tried something similar in my area, and it's worked for me as well. Mike San Jose, CA (zone 9, min temp 20F / -7C) From samarak@gizmoworks.com Fri, 12 Jun 2015 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <557B44F5.8070406@gizmoworks.com> From: Steve Marak Subject: Watering dormant Amaryllidaceae Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 15:45:41 -0500 Ken, I can only speak for my conditions (greenhouse, NW Arkansas) but I grow species from all 3 genera and they definitely get watered while dormant because they're in among things that aren't dormant and I'm too lazy to keep moving pots around. We try to avoid really soaking them when dormant, but they get some water at least weekly year-round and don't seem to mind, even in the coldest part of the winter when temps at that end on the ground may reach just a few degrees above freezing at night, and the roots don't die back and seem healthy. I do have them in a very freely draining medium. Steve On 6/12/2015 2:37 PM, Kipp McMichael wrote: > Ken, > > South Africa gets, even in most of its summer-dry Mediterranean areas where Amaryllids are most diverse, some summer precipitation. Your plants' need for extra summer water depends on so many things: Which species you grow, the kinds of pots you use, etc. In most general terms, plants in the ground or raised beds do not likely need extra summer water (mine in Berkeley receive none from June to October) and in your climate would likely need protection from summer rain. Plants in pots - especially clay pots or rootbound plants - would almost certainly benefit from a light water every few weeks in the heat of summer. I would suggest a warm/dry dormancy in your greenhouse - in the shade of a dry bench. > > The best way to determine if your plants are happy with this setup is to unpot a plant at the end of summer and see if the roots have died back from the sides/bottom of the pot. If so, the plant was drier than it preferred. If the roots are fine (or coming out the bottom even), the plant likes the treatment. > > -| >> From: k.preteroti@verizon.net >> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 14:47:06 -0400 >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> Subject: [pbs] Watering dormant Amaryllidaceae >> >> I realize this is a broad question. Since Amaryllidaceae keep their roots when dormant should they be occasionally lightly watered to keep the roots alive. Say once a month. To narrow down the species in question I am looking at the African species: Haemanthus, Ammocharis and Brunsvigia. A follow up question should their dormancy be cool dry, my basement for example, or warm dry greenhouse. >> >> Ken P >> Old Bridge, NJ >> Zone 6b >> >> >> >> Ken P >> Old Bridge, NJ >> Zone 6b >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ksayce@willapabay.org Fri, 12 Jun 2015 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: Amaryllis belladonna blooming project - year 4 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 14:11:00 -0700 This is a great year on the West Coast to test the temperature hypothesis. We are going into a warm, prolong ENSO, so even above 45N temperatures will be much warmer than normal. I’ve already noticed that the foliage on my plants is starting to dry down earlier than in past years. Cheers, Kathleen PNW Coast, sunny and dry From plantsman@comcast.net Fri, 12 Jun 2015 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <20150612220242.06B4F21755@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Nathan Lange Subject: Amaryllis flowering Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 15:02:51 -0700 What exactly is the "temperature hypothesis" and how is it any different from what is already known from the massive amount of literature already available on flower initiation? Incidentally, as some of you already know, I saw my first Amaryllis belladonna in flower this year in Berkeley on June 6. The oldest flowers were well past anthesis and had obviously already been open for several days. This is not at all surprising this year and mildly interesting, but this is still just another anecdotal observation. Nathan At 02:11 PM 6/12/2015, you wrote: >This is a great year on the West Coast to test the temperature hypothesis. From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <5A7DC07D-62E6-4E77-AC3D-48605B28D143@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: eithea blumenavia seed germination (Rick Buell) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 08:51:20 -0700 I agree with Ernie. I've sown fresh seeds once and slightly older seeds several times (shriveled). I've never gotten the shriveled seed to germinate. The fresh seed attempt was the only time I was able to get germination. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m On Jun 12, 2015, at 1:10 PM, Ernie DeMarie via pbs wrote: > Hi Rick, > It would appear that the seed should be sown fresh, I have gotten seed from elsewhere that has dried and it seems to not be viable. I would suggest sowing it right away embedded in the surface of a good mix as one would with crinum seed. I doubt chipping the coat is necessary, when they dry out for a while they shrivel. > Ernie DeMarie > Briarcliff Manor NY where the Erythrina zeyheri (only true geophyte in the genus) that was given some winter protection continues to grow robustly. Might even flower if I am lucky. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From msittner@mcn.org Sat, 13 Jun 2015 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <20150613185259.985302316B@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: A. belladonna blooming project, and watering Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:53:43 -0700 The leaves on all our A. belladonna are long gone. My experience has been like Mike's. In my garden different plants bloom (if they bloom as many do not) at different times, sometimes months apart. So temperature couldn't be the only factor as my garden isn't that large and they all would experience approximately the same temperature. When I sent data in before for plants in my area I recorded the first ones to bloom, but never bothered to send supplemental data about when later ones bloomed. I wonder if others did the same. Watering dormant Nerines in summer has been a big help in getting them to bloom. I haven't had much luck with Amaryllids in the ground (except for a few Nerine species). In my raised beds where the soil probably doesn't dry out quite so much I've had a little better luck even if I haven't watered them in summer. But we do have cool summer temperatures which probably delays the soil drying out a bit. Mary Sue Mary Sue Ittner California's North Coast Wet mild winters with occasional frost Dry mild summers From petersirises@gmail.com Sat, 13 Jun 2015 13:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: A. belladonna blooming project, and watering Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 20:55:51 +0100 If the behaviour of each individual plant were consistant from year to year, according to temperature, then the data from each plant's flowering would be valid. If plants in cooler or moister spots in the same garden behave differently, the data would also be interesting. Peter (UK) On 13 June 2015 at 19:53, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > The leaves on all our A. belladonna are long gone. My experience has been > like Mike's. In my garden different plants bloom (if they bloom as many do > not) at different times, sometimes months apart. So temperature couldn't be > the only factor as my garden isn't that large and they all would experience > approximately the same temperature. When I sent data in before for plants > in my area I recorded the first ones to bloom, but never bothered to send > supplemental data about when later ones bloomed. I wonder if others did the > same. > From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat, 13 Jun 2015 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <557CA778.8010308@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Day of the Themids Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 14:58:16 -0700 It is mid-June, so here is my annual recommendation that bulb fanciers use more members of the family Themidaceae in their gardens. This recent name refers to Brodiaea, Triteleia, Dichelostemma, and a few other American genera formerly in Alliaceae, and before that in Liliaceae. Fortunately they got their own family in time to avoid being tossed into Amaryllidaceae. These species mostly flower in late spring to early summer, forming a bridge (along with Calochortus and Lilium) between the masses of spring bulbs and summer, which in their native communities is mostly flowerless. An outlier is Dichelostemma capitatum, flowering early to mid spring and a great addition to the perennial border; Triteleia hyacinthina is also earlier and very adaptable. The latest western American themid to flower here is Brodiaea californica, a very tall, large-flowered plant that comes in both blue and pink(ish) forms. In flower here today are Dichelostemma ida-maia (Firecracker Flower), Dichelostemma volubile (Snake Lily, a climber), Dichelostemma multiflorum, Brodiaea elegans, Brodiaea coronaria, Brodiaea terrestris (a short one), Triteleia ixioides, Triteleia laxa, Triteleia peduncularis, and Bloomeria crocea. All of them have been hardy in the garden to about 17 degrees Fahrenheit (about minus 8 C). They do well without summer water, but moderate moisture will not kill most of them. The corms should be planted fairly deeply. These are wonderful plants to attract hummingbirds, which I have seen feeding on all but the yellow-flowered ones. D. ida-maia is probably an obligatory hummingbird plant with its tubular scarlet flowers. The others are also pollinated by bees. Long, prostrate basal leaves and mostly tall, bare flowering stems suggest placing themids among other, leafier perennials, grasses, and shrubs, as they in fact grow in nature. The best effect in a border is gained by close grouping. I have a casual sort of steep rock garden in front of the house, and these are the latest of the many bulbs planted at random among the tufts, cushions, and dwarf shrubs. Themids are very easily grown from seed; it's best to leave them in the seed pot for two years because the first-year corms are very small. They have not self-sown excessively for me and do not become weedy by increasing, though some produce numerous offset corms. A few species are available for purchase in Dutch bulb catalogs. Under "Brodiaea" in the current Scheepers catalog I find D. ida-maia (listed as "Brodiaea coccinea," an old synonym), 'Corrina' (a hybrid Triteleia), T. ixioides 'Starlight' (a pale yellow selection), T. laxa 'Silver Queen' (a white form, and who would want one?), 'Pink Diamond' (probably a hybrid between D. ida-maia and D. volubile), T. laxa 'Queen Fabiola' (a typical form), T. 'Rudy' (a selection or hybrid of T. laxa with strongly contrasting median stripes, pretty here today). Most of the commercial stocks are offered under old synonyms or have silly English names given them. I hope this will encourage you to seek out corms (sometimes available from Telos and Illahe nurseries) or seeds (frequently available in botanic garden or NARGS seed lists). Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From arnold140@verizon.net Sat, 13 Jun 2015 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <27705330.2949341.1434235703785.JavaMail.root@vms170027.mailsrvcs.net> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: A. belladonna blooming project, and watering Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 17:48:23 -0500 (CDT) I know that with insects you can count degree days from a bio-fix date to use IPM to target the best time to apply a control method. Is this possible with flowering time for plants as well. Are plants more complicated? Arnold NJ From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Sat, 13 Jun 2015 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1AFB2BEA-9F0F-41E6-B06A-E5161D0F969C@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Day of the Themids Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 16:44:56 -0700 Thanks for the good word on Themids, Jane. Can I add that for those in milder climates there are some Mexican Themids that are also worth trying, one of the prettiest ones being Bessera elegans, from which the usual one sold is an orangey-red color. There is also a striking purple one, and Diana of Telos has had some nice pinky-crimson ones. But there are also some others such as Dandya, Petronymphe, and several Milla species that are really pretty, including a rare Milla that Dylan Hannon sometimes offers. There is a native midwestern Themid, Androstephium caeruleum, which I have never seen nor have I been able to find seeds offered, even though it supposedly grows as far south as my native Central Texas. And there is a rare genus, Jaimehintonia, which sounds really interesting, but I haven't seen it. I also haven't seen Behria, but a number of people have seen it in the wild in the southern Baja California peninsula. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m On Jun 13, 2015, at 2:58 PM, Jane McGary wrote: > It is mid-June, so here is my annual recommendation that bulb fanciers use more members of the family Themidaceae in their gardens. This recent name refers to Brodiaea, Triteleia, Dichelostemma, and a few other American genera formerly in Alliaceae, and before that in Liliaceae. Fortunately they got their own family in time to avoid being tossed into Amaryllidaceae. > From klazina1@gmail.com Sat, 13 Jun 2015 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <557CC49C.4040807@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: Watering dormant Amaryllidaceae Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 12:02:36 +1200 Ken, here in Auckland, New Zealand (equivalent to Zone 10a), I grow my Haemanthus in the garden. We get rain most of the year round. They are happy, they flower, they multiply, so keeping them dry does not seem such a good deal to me. In fact they are where, during dry periods I water, as I also have Azaleas in that garden. Ina Crossley Auckland, New Zealand On 13/06/2015 8:45 a.m., Steve Marak wrote: > > I realize this is a broad question. Since Amaryllidaceae keep their > roots when dormant should they be occasionally lightly watered to keep > the roots alive. Say once a month. To narrow down the species in > question I am looking at the African species: Haemanthus, Ammocharis > and Brunsvigia. A follow up question should their dormancy be cool > dry, my basement for example, or warm dry greenhouse. > > Ken P > Old Bridge, NJ > Zone 6b From plantsman@comcast.net Sat, 13 Jun 2015 18:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <20150614004001.8C532230C3@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Nathan Lange Subject: Amaryllis flowering Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 17:38:51 -0700 > >Just curious, do they bloom the year they are planted or do they >take a year to settle in before blooming? > If you are talking about flowering, in my experience, successful flowering of Amaryllis belladonna during the first year after planting depends on several factors, assuming the plants' other needs are met: First, the number of roots that are saved at the time of transplanting. The percentage of flowering the first year likely goes up with the number of roots that are saved at the time of transplanting. For example, I once planted out about 450 Hannibal hybrid Amaryllis bulbs that had no roots at all when first planted. Less than five flowered that same autumn. Only 17 flowered the following autumn. Nearly 200 flowered the following year after that. Second, bulb size. Like all bulbous plants, there is a minimum bulb size required for flowering. The minimum bulb size for A. belladonna to flower has been reported to be 26 cm (10 inches) but this seems very large and likely varies with growing conditions. Larger bulbs are much more likely to endure harsh transplant shock and root loss, flowering the first and second years. In the example above, I sorted and planted the bulbs by bulb size and the 17 that flowered were all from the largest 20% of the population. Large bulbs with intact roots that are carefully transplanted almost always flower the first and second summer/autumn. Less than 200 out of 450 bulbs flowered the third year in this example because many of the bulbs were not large enough to flower. Bulb size might influence spathe emergence time and could be responsible for some portion of the variability people observe within any given genetically identical population of plants. Of course, the overall timing of flowering of a given population is undoubtedly due to some aggregation of bulb temperatures during the 13 or more months prior to spathe emergence. Third, what species are we talking about? Amaryllis belladonna or the endless multitude of intergeneric Amaryllis hybrids that are available? They are not the same. The distribution curve of spathe emergence in autumn for my Hannibal Amaryllis population is completely different from that of my straight A. belladonna populations. Again, this should not be surprising to anyone who has observed populations of both. Just as they very greatly in flower color, Amaryllis hybrids vary in nearly every conceivable plant characteristic imaginable, including flowering time, minimum bulb size at first flower, etc. In my example above, why did so few bulbs flower both the first and second year with a big increase in the third year? A very small part of the increase can be attributed to the general increase in average bulb size of the entire population with time. The real answer is that when I planted these bulbs in the autumn of year one, both the spathe for that year (year one) and the spathe for the following autumn (year two) were already present in these bulbs. The harsh treatment these bulbs received before I planted them aborted both year one and year two spathes which is why I had to wait until year three for a lot more flowers. Yes, they can definitely flower the first year if transplanted with care. If not, you may have to wait two years for flowers. Nathan From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Sat, 13 Jun 2015 18:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1958584902.2407110.1434243486521.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Amaryllis flowering Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 00:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Nathan wrote: "Second, bulb size. Like all bulbous plants, there is a minimum bulb size required for flowering. The minimum bulb size for A. belladonna  to flower has been reported to be 26 cm (10 inches) but this seems  very large and likely varies with growing conditions. " Nathan, is that 10 inches in diameter or circumference?  I know these bulbs can be big; do they ever reach 10 inches in diameter? Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 and in my experience not Amaryllis belladonna country.  _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From plantsman@comcast.net Sat, 13 Jun 2015 18:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <20150614011245.BD957230C2@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Nathan Lange Subject: Amaryllis flowering Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 18:12:59 -0700 Good call, 26 cm (10 inches) in circumference! I don't think I have ever seen a 10 inch diameter A. belladonna bulb although some Amaryllis hybrid bulbs can easily get over 15 cm (6 inches) in diameter. Nathan At 05:58 PM 6/13/2015, you wrote: >Nathan wrote: "Second, bulb size. Like all >bulbous plants, there is a minimum bulb size >required for flowering. The minimum bulb size >for A. belladonna to flower has been reported >to be 26 cm (10 inches) but this seems very >large and likely varies with growing >conditions. " Nathan, is that 10 inches in >diameter or circumference? I know these bulbs >can be big; do they ever reach 10 inches in >diameter? Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, >Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 and in my experience >not Amaryllis belladonna >country. >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From mateer200@hotmail.com Sat, 13 Jun 2015 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: cal lap Subject: Day of the Themids Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 19:41:50 -0600 Hello. I've tried three times to over winter these and I loose them. Any suggestions. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 13, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Lee Poulsen wrote: > > Thanks for the good word on Themids, Jane. Can I add that for those in milder climates there are some Mexican Themids that are also worth trying, one of the prettiest ones being Bessera elegans, from which the usual one sold is an orangey-red color. There is also a striking purple one, and Diana of Telos has had some nice pinky-crimson ones. But there are also some others such as Dandya, Petronymphe, and several Milla species that are really pretty, including a rare Milla that Dylan Hannon sometimes offers. There is a native midwestern Themid, Androstephium caeruleum, which I have never seen nor have I been able to find seeds offered, even though it supposedly grows as far south as my native Central Texas. And there is a rare genus, Jaimehintonia, which sounds really interesting, but I haven't seen it. I also haven't seen Behria, but a number of people have seen it in the wild in the southern Baja California peninsula. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > >> On Jun 13, 2015, at 2:58 PM, Jane McGary wrote: >> >> It is mid-June, so here is my annual recommendation that bulb fanciers use more members of the family Themidaceae in their gardens. This recent name refers to Brodiaea, Triteleia, Dichelostemma, and a few other American genera formerly in Alliaceae, and before that in Liliaceae. Fortunately they got their own family in time to avoid being tossed into Amaryllidaceae. > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From enoster@hotmail.com Sat, 13 Jun 2015 22:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: A. belladonna blooming project, and watering Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 21:23:39 -0700 Good points, Mary Sue. But I think the ground temp may be more variable than the ambient air temps depending on the amount and timing of sunlight at key times of the year. I've observed many individuals of species of bulbs native to Rogue River bloom relatively early in hotter, drier sites that receive sunlight quicker at the start of the year, and conversely later blooming individuals in sites that receive direct sun later in the year. Our somewhat northerly latitude means we have areas completely shaded during winter's whole duration (Northern exposure), and they are slower to get sunlight as the year progresses. Where the sun hits earlier (SE exposure) it triggers growth earlier than in shadier sites (NW exposure), the ground warming/thawing sooner in the case of the former and remaining colder or even frozen in the case of the latter. For example, Erythronium hendersonii individuals in hot dry sites with a southern exposure that get sun for most of the year including winter tend to flower first, the individuals in shady sites with northern exposures that tend to stay frozen in winter and get no winter sun flower later. So I wonder how A. belladonna responds to "full sun" sites with southern or northern exposures, if there would be a difference in flowering time. Depending on the latitude, one may receive more hours of sunlight in a year than another, affecting ground temps, but not necessarily ambient air temps. Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Sat, 13 Jun 2015 22:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Ixiolirion tataricum Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 23:33:44 -0500 Family Themidaceae …. refers to Brodiaea, Triteleia, Dichelostemma, and a few other American genera Dear PBSers, These have proven totally worthless in Kansas City. A few will winter over a year or two, most not at all. Instead I have had an expanding clump of the wonderful rich blue Ixiolirion tataricum in bloom for the last few days. I admit I had to spread and remove some ‘natives’ (i.e.weeds) i did find them in glorious bloom. Although these should be no-brainers for my climate, I have found them happy in only one location : a west facing slope. I do enjoy them and can console myself that I can grow these gorgeous bulbs. See them at http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Ixiolirion Best Jim W. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun, 14 Jun 2015 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <557DA3D3.2020402@earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Ixiolirion tataricum Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 08:54:59 -0700 I also had little success with Ixiolirion tataricum (which is often available from commercial bulb catalogs). Recently I saw it in the wild and now understand it better. It was flowering at mid elevations (around 1,000-1800 m) in very moist, rocky loess and silty soil just after snowmelt. Later in the year the habitat becomes quite dry. Jim Waddick's success with them on a west-facing slope apparently comes from his placing them where they would get good drainage and summer drying. Add to that the severe winter weather his area of the Midwest has just experienced, and they may have felt more at home than usual. I think the generally mild, mostly snow-free winters of western Oregon may not suit it so well, so I'll have to rely on other bulbs for early blue color in the garden. Jane Mcgary Portland, Oregon, USA On 6/13/2015 9:33 PM, James Waddick wrote: > Family Themidaceae …. refers to Brodiaea, Triteleia, Dichelostemma, and a few other American genera > > Dear PBSers, > > These have proven totally worthless in Kansas City. A few will winter over a year or two, most not at all. Instead I have had an expanding clump of the wonderful rich blue Ixiolirion tataricum in bloom for the last few days. I admit I had to spread and remove some ‘natives’ (i.e.weeds) i did find them in glorious bloom. Although these should be no-brainers for my climate, I have found them happy in only one location : a west facing slope. I do enjoy them and can console myself that I can grow these gorgeous bulbs. > > See them at http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Ixiolirion Best Jim W. > > James Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd > Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 > USA > Phone 816-746-1949 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From penstemon@Q.com Sun, 14 Jun 2015 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: "penstemon" Subject: Ixiolirion tataricum Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 10:40:32 -0600 >I also had little success with Ixiolirion tataricum (which is often available from commercial bulb catalogs). Recently I saw it in the wild and now understand it better. It was flowering at mid elevations (around 1,000-1800 m) in very moist, rocky loess and silty soil just after snowmelt. Later in the year the habitat becomes quite dry. According to Wikipedia, the native range of Ixiolirion is from the Sinai to Xinjiang Province in China. The bulbs are planted all over the garden here, and seem to be enjoying the constant rain (since April). While I would be the first person to admit that the prospect of spending many euros for one or two bulbs grown from a handful of seeds wrested from a single seed pod found on a near-vertical cliff somewhere in Central Asia after a long perilous journey is very attractive, at least one Dutch firm is offering one hundred ixiolirion bulbs for six dollars and seventy-five cents. Bob Nold Denver, Colorado, USA From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Sun, 14 Jun 2015 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1813758521.2652819.1434301751163.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: flower bud initiation in Amaryllis and Nerine Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 17:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Now that we know that the flowers of Amaryllis belladonna and various Nerine which will bloom this year began to be formed two years ago, it occurs to me that maybe an understanding of what time of year that begins to happen (and under what conditions) might help us induce flowering in these species. The "us" I have in mind are those of us who live in climates in which these plants are very stingy about blooming. For instance, are the incipient bloom buds formed during a period of otherwise inactive growth (dormancy) or during a period of active growth? During a period of low temperatures or high temperatures? At what time of year does this take place among wild plants? Is any of this known and, if so, can any of you provide more information?  Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, just the sort of place which might benefit from the information requested.  _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From michaelcmace@gmail.com Sun, 14 Jun 2015 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <01df01d0a6c7$a73893b0$f5a9bb10$@gmail.com> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: A. belladonna blooming project, and watering Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 10:29:20 -0700 >So I wonder how A. belladonna responds to "full sun" sites with southern or northern exposures, if there would be a difference in flowering time. To add to the complexity, there are many well documented cases of A. belladonna (and possibly the hybrids) blooming very vigorously after a fire has cleared the overlying brush. Mary Sue posted some great photos of this on the PBS Amaryllis page. Based on what Nathan wrote about bud initiation happening three years before blooming, that means it's routine for these plants to form buds, wait to see if conditions seem optimal for blooming, and then abort the buds if they don't get the right trigger(s). So when we fight to get these things to bloom, we're not just trying to make the bulbs happy, we're trying to avoid conditions that tell the bulb "this is one of the years when you should not bother to bloom." Some PBS members in Australia have said that the blooming trigger for them is late summer thunderstorms. But that can't be the only trigger, as in most of California we rarely get that sort of weather. The whole thing is surprisingly complex, and I'm glad Nhu is keeping records. At some point I hope we can collectively figure it all out... Mike San Jose, CA From totototo@telus.net Sun, 14 Jun 2015 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <557D5944.11763.20D3@localhost> From: "Rodger Whitlock" Subject: Day of the Themids Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 10:36:52 -0700 On 13 Jun 2015, at 19:41, cal lap wrote: > I've tried three times to over winter these and I loose them. Any > suggestions? Yes. Move to California, Oregon, or Washington, west of the Cascades. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Z. 7-8, cool Mediterranean climate From othonna@gmail.com Sun, 14 Jun 2015 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Hannon Subject: Day of the Themids Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 10:38:27 -0700 Regarding the dormant period for summer growing themids of western Mexico (Bessera, Milla, etc.), in my experience they require a perfectly dry rest from late fall to late May-June. Here this means keeping them outdoors protected from winter rains. They are inactive in spring (when conditions are often very dry and hot in their habitats) and often keep green leaves surprisingly late into cool weather, even November-December in some cases. They enjoy heat and humidity in summer. I grow them in cramped quarters in a gritty mix with up to 20% organic matter, the rest is pumice/perlite and sand. A five inch pot might hold a half dozen mature corms of a given species. Dylan Hannon Los Angeles CA *"The greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an useful plant to its culture…" --**Thomas Jefferson* _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From plantsman@comcast.net Sun, 14 Jun 2015 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <20150614184337.8691922C58@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Nathan Lange Subject: flower bud initiation in Amaryllis and Nerine Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 11:43:35 -0700 Jim, Those are all excellent questions. I am waiting for someone much smarter than me to connect the dots and answer them because I know those answers are already available. It's pretty clear to me that the general timing of Amaryllis flowering can already be explained with the current literature on flower induction and development. I would much rather read someone else's insightful explanation than attempt to write one. Why are there so few floral biologists participating in these discussions? I seldom read insightful posts here on the topics of flower initiation or flower development, areas in which I have conducted both applied and basic research, written grant proposals and literature reviews, both flower induction and flower senescence. Where are all the floral biologists? One of the many positive attributes of a group like this is that there are so many people here who have so much experience growing so many, many different genera under an incredible variety of circumstances from all over the world. The expertise where this group is not so well versed is the broad area of plant physiology, especially floral biology. That is not met as a criticism, just one person's observation of those who post messages here. This is truly not met to offend anyone here but I really think part of the reason so few floral biologists participate is that many who could offer much insight in this area see the Wiki or they see something like this most recent discussion on bloom-blooming-bloom Amaryllis, shrug, and move on to something else. Having once been in that world, I know this to be true. It's no different than what you think of the neighbor who plants marigolds and petunias in their front yard around their pink plastic flamingos and asks you if it looks better than last year's display. Okay, I still like some petunias but that is besides the point. The unfortunate result is there are no current floral biologists here to answer your questions and, worse yet, many here are now crowdsourcing the reinvention of the wheel and don't even know it. Best Regards, Nathan At 10:09 AM 6/14/2015, you wrote: >Now that we know that the flowers of Amaryllis >belladonna and various Nerine which will bloom >this year began to be formed two years ago, it >occurs to me that maybe an understanding of what >time of year that begins to happen (and under >what conditions) might help us induce flowering >in these species. The "us" I have in mind are >those of us who live in climates in which these >plants are very stingy about blooming. For >instance, are the incipient bloom buds formed >during a period of otherwise inactive growth >(dormancy) or during a period of active growth? >During a period of low temperatures or high >temperatures? At what time of year does this >take place among wild plants? Is any of this >known and, if so, can any of you provide more >information? Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, >Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, just the sort of >place which might benefit from the information requested. From plantsman@comcast.net Sun, 14 Jun 2015 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <20150614190023.8FC8B23028@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Nathan Lange Subject: Amaryllis flowering Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 12:00:21 -0700 No, that is not at all what I wrote. [shrug] Nathan At 10:29 AM 6/14/2015, you wrote: > >So I wonder how A. belladonna responds to "full sun" sites with southern or >northern exposures, if there would be a difference in flowering time. > >To add to the complexity, there are many well documented cases of A. >belladonna (and possibly the hybrids) blooming very vigorously after a fire >has cleared the overlying brush. Mary Sue posted some great photos of this >on the PBS Amaryllis page. > >Based on what Nathan wrote about bud initiation happening three years before >blooming, that means it's routine for these plants to form buds, wait to see >if conditions seem optimal for blooming, and then abort the buds if they >don't get the right trigger(s). So when we fight to get these things to >bloom, we're not just trying to make the bulbs happy, we're trying to avoid >conditions that tell the bulb "this is one of the years when you should not >bother to bloom." > >Some PBS members in Australia have said that the blooming trigger for them >is late summer thunderstorms. But that can't be the only trigger, as in most >of California we rarely get that sort of weather. > >The whole thing is surprisingly complex, and I'm glad Nhu is keeping >records. At some point I hope we can collectively figure it all out... > >Mike >San Jose, CA > > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Sun, 14 Jun 2015 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <156025612.2648049.1434313585003.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: flower bud initiation in Amaryllis and Nerine Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 20:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Nathan, maybe the answer isn't out there after all. We've been trying, without dependably repeatable success,  to grow Amaryllis belladonna here on the East Coast for over two hundred years. I would think that if someone had  hit on the answer, it would have spread like wildfire and be readily found in the literature.The bulbs are commonly sold in local garden centers yearly: by now, thousands of them must have been planted in our gardens. So if there are floral biologists out there who know the answers but do not deign to answer these questions, then I say shame on them! Although until proven wrong, I'll prefer to believe that they don't really know the answers (rather than believing that they are the furtive, elitist, selfish information hoarders you describe). What kind of person who, on becoming aware of a situation where they might be able to contribute to the betterment of things, turns their back and walks away? I've been participating in this on line group since 2004, and one of the things which keeps me here is the freedom with which good information is unstintingly exchanged.  And really Nathan, if you are not trying to offend anyone, why does your evaluation of the level of sophistication of the current discussion attempt to utilize such disparaging comparisons (re-inventing the wheel? unsophisticated taste in planting?) You've succeeded in making your pals in the world of floral biology sound like haughty snobs unwilling to stoop to our level.   I think you owe them an apology.  Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where I guess it's time to get out and buy some pink flamingos: they'll be lovely next to the Amaryllis belladonna if it ever blooms.  _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From plantsman@comcast.net Sun, 14 Jun 2015 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <20150614212441.1DA8A230AF@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Nathan Lange Subject: flower bud initiation in Amaryllis and Nerine Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 14:24:38 -0700 Jim, I was referring to their flowering in general where the plants are known to grow successfully. I was not trying to explain why the plants fail on the East Coast or suggest that anyone knows why they fail on the East Coast, what I consider to be a completely different question, but probably very important to you. You are free, of course, to get all pejorative about me or some researchers being "furtive, elitist, selfish information hoarders" but the only ones who are successful are the ones who publish and it's not really their fault you don't read the journals where they publish their work. You will never find that one google hit or research paper that answers all your questions about Amaryllis flowering. No one can ever correct all the misinformation or answer all the questions they find on listservs like this one. That's not turning one's back. That's just reallity. I gave you my honest evaluation of the current situation as I see it from the perspective I described in the hope of not alienating people who could help. You can try to understand my message or not, but I don't see any point in reading malice into it. Nathan At 01:26 PM 6/14/2015, you wrote: >Nathan, maybe the answer isn't out there after >all. We've been trying, without dependably >repeatable success,  to grow Amaryllis >belladonna here on the East Coast for over two >hundred years. I would think that if someone had > hit on the answer, it would have spread like >wildfire and be readily found in the >literature.The bulbs are commonly sold in local >garden centers yearly: by now, thousands of them >must have been planted in our gardens. So if >there are floral biologists out there who know >the answers but do not deign to answer these >questions, then I say shame on them! Although >until proven wrong, I'll prefer to believe that >they don't really know the answers (rather than >believing that they are the furtive, elitist, >selfish information hoarders you describe). What >kind of person who, on becoming aware of a >situation where they might be able to contribute >to the betterment of things, turns their back >and walks away? I've been participating in this >on line group since 2004, and one of the things >which keeps me here is the freedom with which >good information is unstintingly >exchanged. And really Nathan, if you are not >trying to offend anyone, why does your >evaluation of the level of sophistication of the >current discussion attempt to utilize such >disparaging comparisons (re-inventing the wheel? >unsophisticated taste in planting?) You've >succeeded in making your pals in the world of >floral biology sound like haughty snobs >unwilling to stoop to our level.  I think you >owe them an apology. Jim McKenneyMontgomery >County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where I >guess it's time to get out and buy some pink >flamingos: they'll be lovely next to the >Amaryllis belladonna if it ever blooms. From russell@odysseybulbs.com Mon, 15 Jun 2015 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <20150615131828.B200221F6B@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Russell Stafford, Odyssey Plants" Subject: Lycoris photos to use in blog Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 09:11:09 -0400 I was wondering if anyone has Lycoris photos I can use with an article I'm doing for a blog. Any species or selection would be fine. Credit given! Thanks, Russell Russell Stafford Odyssey Bulbs PO Box 382 South Lancaster, MA 01561 508-335-8106 russell@odysseybulbs.com www.odysseybulbs.com www.facebook.com/odysseybulbs --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From btankers@gmail.com Mon, 15 Jun 2015 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Boyce Tankersley Subject: Lycoris photos to use in blog Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:22:19 -0500 Hi Russell: We've got a few Lycoris images. You can check them out by typing in the term Lycoris in the Chicago Botanic Garden Garden Guide smart phone app search field. It also works on desktop computers - the link is below. http://www.chicagobotanic.org/plantcollections#plantfinder Let me know if any of them are of interest. Boyce Tankersley Director of Living Plant Documentation Chicago Botanic Garden On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Russell Stafford, Odyssey Plants < russell@odysseybulbs.com> wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has Lycoris photos I can use with an article I'm > doing for a blog. Any species or selection would be fine. Credit given! > > Thanks, > > Russell > > Russell Stafford > Odyssey Bulbs > PO Box 382 > South Lancaster, MA 01561 > 508-335-8106 > russell@odysseybulbs.com > www.odysseybulbs.com > www.facebook.com/odysseybulbs > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From hk@icarustrading.com Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: From HK Subject: Lycoris photos to use in blog Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 13:20:04 -0400 Hi Boyce Thank you for posting this handy plant finder. Heather On Monday, June 15, 2015, Boyce Tankersley wrote: > Hi Russell: > > We've got a few Lycoris images. You can check them out by typing in the > term Lycoris in the Chicago Botanic Garden Garden Guide smart phone app > search field. It also works on desktop computers - the link is below. > > http://www.chicagobotanic.org/plantcollections#plantfinder > > Let me know if any of them are of interest. > > Boyce Tankersley > Director of Living Plant Documentation > Chicago Botanic Garden > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Russell Stafford, Odyssey Plants < > russell@odysseybulbs.com > wrote: > > > I was wondering if anyone has Lycoris photos I can use with an article > I'm > > doing for a blog. Any species or selection would be fine. Credit given! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Russell > > > > Russell Stafford > > Odyssey Bulbs > > PO Box 382 > > South Lancaster, MA 01561 > > 508-335-8106 > > russell@odysseybulbs.com > > www.odysseybulbs.com > > www.facebook.com/odysseybulbs > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- HK🐇👸 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jgglatt@gmail.com Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <557F12C5.7000600@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Amaryllis belladonna in Connecticut Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:00:37 -0400 When we lived in Wilton, Connecticut about 2 decades ago I grew and flowered Amaryllis belladonna. It was planted under the rather wide roof eaves close to the wall of the house. Flowered each year. Moved to New Jersey, brought it with us. (Mind you, the first several wardrobe cartons off the moving truck had shrubs, and I'd spent the whole summer moving "community pots" - large black two-handled nursery tubs with a small shrub, perennials, ground cover, and bulbs all in a "happy family planting.") Anyhow, even though New Jersey is south of Connecticut it also has clay soil and not the divine, high organic, moist but well-drained soil, the holy grail of gardeners, that I had in Wilton. So yes, I successfully grew Amaryllis belladonna on the east coast. But I think it was more the site than my expertise as a gardener. Sigh. Judy in hot and humid New Jersey where last night's electrical storm dumped 1.3 inches of rain and given us steam bath conditions From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Mon, 15 Jun 2015 12:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <14df87651d6-13fe-a314@webprd-m103.mail.aol.com> From: Ernie DeMarie via pbs Subject: Amaryllis belladonna in Connecticut Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:23:33 -0400 My experiences with A belladonna echo Judy's in that it has persisted and blooms for several years under the eves in my school garden in Chappaqua NY. Usually one or two bloom each summer. Right now they are in full leaf, leaves didnt really do much until after winter this year because it was so cold there was no chance for them to grow out very far before what ever growth they had was frosted back into oblivion. I think the wall provides the warmth the bulbs need to keep from freezing solid, and the area is a bit dryish in summer because of the eves, though not excessively so. If it was a bulb that could be planted deeper perhaps it would survive in the open garden but it seems to want to be near the surface. I have a seedling that is also doing well near the house wall and may plant out more later on this fall at home from several pbs seedlings I have been raising. Now my experince with Crinum bulbispermum is completely different, that appears to be bone hardy here in the open garden at home. I have them in 6 different gardens and I dont think I have lost a single one in the last two horrid winters in my home garden, though an x powellii in the school garden appears to have finally died out this past winter. One is in bloom right now with 2 spikes, I think the others (all raised from seed) are large enough that some more may flower later on. It probably is a good idea to keep the seedlings in pots for their first winter and let them dry down then plant them out their second or third year, when the bulbs are about as big as some tulips or such. Ernie DeMarie Briarcliff Manor NY Z7/6 where we also have had plenty of rain since last night. -----Original Message----- From: Judy Glattstein To: pbs Sent: Mon, Jun 15, 2015 2:01 pm Subject: [pbs] Amaryllis belladonna in Connecticut When we lived in Wilton, Connecticut about 2 decades ago I grew and flowered Amaryllis belladonna. It was planted under the rather wide roof eaves close to the wall of the house. Flowered each year. Moved to New Jersey, brought it with us. (Mind you, the first several wardrobe cartons off the moving truck had shrubs, and I'd spent the whole summer moving "community pots" - large black two-handled nursery tubs with a small shrub, perennials, ground cover, and bulbs all in a "happy family planting.") Anyhow, even though New Jersey is south of Connecticut it also has clay soil and not the divine, high organic, moist but well-drained soil, the holy grail of gardeners, that I had in Wilton. So yes, I successfully grew Amaryllis belladonna on the east coast. But I think it was more the site than my expertise as a gardener. Sigh. Judy in hot and humid New Jersey where last night's electrical storm dumped 1.3 inches of rain and given us steam bath conditions _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Mon, 15 Jun 2015 12:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <853995760.3304488.1434392811352.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Amaryllis belladonna in Connecticut Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:26:51 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Judy. When I wrote my post on the topic of Amaryllis belladonna on the East Coast, I had your experiences (which you have posted in the past) and those of Ernie in mind. I still think I'm safe in saying that those experiences are the exception rather than the rule.I have also flowered Amaryllis belladonna here on the East Coast, although the flowers produced in my garden were undoubtedly from buds which came with the bulbs. But I have never had reliable repeat flowering year after year. What puzzles me about this plant is that it flowers in the UK and Holland on the one hand (hardly warm climates) but also in southern California.Maybe climate has nothing to do with it, but if not, what does?  Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where we are ending a week with daytime highs in the 90s F. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From fritchick@gmail.com Mon, 15 Jun 2015 12:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: Googs Subject: Amaryllis belladonna in Connecticut Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:39:02 -0400 Hello fellow PBSers!! Thought I'd jump in and share that John Lonsdale has incredible crinum bulbispermum flowering currently at his garden, Edgewood, in Exton Pa. (Zone 6 and two winters of hell). I know that John leaves them in the ground in a well drained, open and south facing situation. They are magnificent! He gave me seedlings and I'm very glad I saw this thread as I would have jumped the gun and planted out this year. I'll winter over in my cold sun porch and see how much bulk the bulbs put on. You guys are the best. Bridget Sweltering and worrying about perennials rotting in southeastern Pa where we could use a wee bit less rain at this point. Saturation! > On Jun 15, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Jim McKenney wrote: > > Thanks, Judy. When I wrote my post on the topic of Amaryllis belladonna on the East Coast, I had your experiences (which you have posted in the past) and those of Ernie in mind. I still think I'm safe in saying that those experiences are the exception rather than the rule.I have also flowered Amaryllis belladonna here on the East Coast, although the flowers produced in my garden were undoubtedly from buds which came with the bulbs. But I have never had reliable repeat flowering year after year. What puzzles me about this plant is that it flowers in the UK and Holland on the one hand (hardly warm climates) but also in southern California.Maybe climate has nothing to do with it, but if not, what does? > Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where we are ending a week with daytime highs in the 90s F. > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From enoster@hotmail.com Mon, 15 Jun 2015 12:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Day of the Themids Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 12:00:44 -0700 This group has some of my favorite Oregon wildflowers in it. Here in Rogue River in Southwestern Oregon the season starts with Dichelostemma capitatum. Long after they have set seed we get Dichelostemma congestum, Triteleia hendersonii (and others), and finally Brodiaea elegans. Dichelostemma congestum is the most common, and appears to have a high tolerance for summer wet. I've seen it attain heights of over three feet in rich soil, but they need the support of other plants (in the wild it's usually tall grass) or they tend to flop and curve around. The seeds of the species mentioned look superficially like those of Allium, and have been easy to start if sown the same way. I sowed seed last Autumn just scratched into the surface of the soil in a 4" pot and got nearly 100 percent germ in the Spring. The pot was left out in the Winter, open to the elements. The seedlings are just now going dormant and I've ceased watering. I've transplanted a few mature bulbs, Dichelostemma being the easiest and flowering well the following year. Triteleias have been fickle, showing no signs of growth for an entire year, then surprising me by flowering the year after that (two years after transplant). Anyone else experience that sort of thing? Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From plantsman@comcast.net Mon, 15 Jun 2015 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <20150615200518.A374A21682@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Nathan Lange Subject: Amaryllis belladonna in Connecticut Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 13:05:17 -0700 Hi Judy, What time of year did your Connecticut plants have leaves? Winter? That would be interesting information to know. Nathan At 11:00 AM 6/15/2015, you wrote: >When we lived in Wilton, Connecticut about 2 decades ago I grew and >flowered Amaryllis belladonna. It was planted under the rather wide >roof eaves close to the wall of the house. Flowered each year. From eljames@xtra.co.nz Mon, 15 Jun 2015 23:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <405AC6F3-53D6-4613-A94F-FBF5EA4CACC4@xtra.co.nz> From: Lyn James Subject: Raising Ornithogalum saundersaie from seed Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 17:38:26 +1200 Does anyone have useful tips about this? Are there particular requirements? I live in New Zealand and haven't ever been able to source this bulb, so I'm trying to produce my own. From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue, 16 Jun 2015 05:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <55800E8F.8050500@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Subject: Amaryllis belladonna in Connecticut Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:54:55 +0100 Hi, If I may add a bit more anecdotage. I put my three bulbs in a 10 inch pot they're still there but there are more than three now and there were more than three flower stems last year. Whilst Winter temperatures (and light levels) here on the North West coast of England are lower than California, they have not gone below zero C in the years the bulbs have flowered. I keep the pot in a greenhouse in Winter to protect the plants from the salt laden wind. Around 2008 I bought some seed for A. belladonna off ebay. It came from California. The plants have not flowered yet. Their leaves are now about the same width as those on the ones that do flower. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From hellmann@mweb.co.za Tue, 16 Jun 2015 06:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <001201d0a833$bb5ce450$3216acf0$@mweb.co.za> From: "Fiona Hellmann" Subject: Raising Ornithogalum saundersaie from seed Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 14:55:33 +0200 Hi Lyn I live in Riebeek Kasteel, Western Cape, South Africa which is in the winter rainfall area and have very successfully raised O. saundersaie from seed. They are summer flowering (S Hemisphere) so you need to sow the seed in Spring. They come from a summer rainfall area and need to be kept dry in Winter. They multiply prolifically and I have also taken leaf cuttings and gotten a lot of bulblets that way too. I keep mine in pots so that I can move them indoors in winter but I have left a few bulbs in the ground this winter as an experiment to see how they will manage the cold and rain. Generally, I find that they're not fussy about soil, but I use a good quality potting mix and add a few handfuls of clean river sand for extra drainage. For sowing the seeds, I use a commercial seedling mix and also add a bit extra river sand. Hope that this helps you. -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lyn James Sent: 16 June 2015 07:38 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Raising Ornithogalum saundersaie from seed Does anyone have useful tips about this? Are there particular requirements? I live in New Zealand and haven't ever been able to source this bulb, so I'm trying to produce my own. From enoster@hotmail.com Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Hymenocallis, other Amarillids Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 12:01:39 -0700 In the Spring of 2014, I bought two bulbs of Hymenocallis 'Festalis'. Both bulbs were planted very deeply, around a foot deep, in raised beds with stone block walls. One was planted in a bed with a Northern exposure, that bed is permanently shaded in Winter but receives intense afternoon sun in Summer. The other bulb was planted in south facing bed that gets sun all Winter and afternoon shade in the Summer. Both flowered well last year, but only the one with the southern exposure has returned. I wanted to share this, because it's always interesting to me when we can push the limits of a not terribly hardy bulb. 'Festalis' is rated for zone 8, according to most sources, and I live at the cold end of zone 7. I wonder what other Amarillids could survive here? Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <14dfe7012b3-4ed5-ed5b@webprd-a82.mail.aol.com> From: Ernie DeMarie via pbs Subject: Raising Ornithogalum saundersaie from seed Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:14:27 -0400 I have found O saundersoniae easy in large pots or in the ground but I have not left them out for winter as I have noticed they can rot if too wet even before winter, so I assume they would not be winter hardy here in NY. As Fiona says, they are easy from seeds, and they produce plenty of them. Sow warm, the large flat black seeds germinate easily. The whole plant is supposed to be highly poisonous if eaten but deer ate a flower stalk at least once when I had it in my school garden (hope the deer croaked, they are a real problem in may places though they are native, besides damage to gardens they eat the native understory plants, preferring delicacies like orchids and trilliums, and spread at least 4 different diseases due to the Lyme ticks that have surged in abundance along with the deer population boom). Here at our house I grow them in large pots so far, but as my stock increases from seed, I will plant them out in spring and lift in fall for a dry dormancy indoors. Ernie DeMarie Briarcliff Manor NY where we just had some heavy rain, and the Erythrina zeyheri that made it thru the winter with protection continues to enlarge and shows signs of a flower spike forming in a leaf axil. Keeping fingers crossed...... From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue, 16 Jun 2015 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <5580B9FE.1020305@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Subject: Amaryllis belladonna in Connecticut Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 01:06:22 +0100 Hi again, Monty Don holds the position of head gardener for the UK, I found this quote from him. Q My daughter came back from holiday in Jersey three years ago with a packet of Jersey lilies. We have grown them in pots and had lovely green leaves, but no flowers. Freda Turner, Eastwood, Essex A Amaryllis belladonna, or the Jersey lily does not come from Jersey, but South Africa. That's the clue to its success. It need lots of sun to flower in September or October, which is why it does well in Jersey. For you, it is best to grow it in a greenhouse or conservatory and to give it poor soil and not feed it. This will reduce the leaves and encourage it to flower. To impoverish the soil, mix peat-free potting compost half and half with grit. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From enoster@hotmail.com Wed, 17 Jun 2015 09:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Leucocrinum montanum Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 09:08:07 -0700 Hi, Does anyone grow Leucocrinum montanum? I am interested in finding seeds. Thanks! Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From dkramb@badbear.com Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Leucocrinum montanum Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 13:11:48 -0400 WinterCreek Restoration & Nursery in Bend, OR currently has 10 plants available in 1g pots. http://www.wintercreeknative.com/nursery/ Dennis in Cincinnati On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Travis O wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone grow Leucocrinum montanum? I am interested in finding seeds. > > Thanks! > > Travis Owen > Rogue River, OR > > amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From penstemon@Q.com Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <15C0638DE67949A1A5385E47A401596B@bobPC> From: "penstemon" Subject: Leucocrinum montanum Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 12:16:37 -0600 Does anyone grow Leucocrinum montanum? I am interested in finding seeds. Alplains sometimes sells seeds. Not this year. You can also dig for them. Bob Nold Denver, Colorado USA From plantsman@comcast.net Wed, 17 Jun 2015 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <20150617200424.CDA4E20D1B@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Nathan Lange Subject: Amaryllis belladonna in Connecticut Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 13:04:31 -0700 My first response to this question is to ask about the exact number of lovely green leaves. Regardless of where you grow them, a single Amaryllis bulb large enough to flower should produce, at a minimum, 9 to 10 leaves during each vegetative period. The number could vary with climate and could be different if you are growing Amaryllis hybrids. Knowing the total leaf number for an Amaryllis bulb is a key piece of data relative to flowering. If plants are not flowering and are routinely producing fewer than 9 leaves year after year, then that indicates something is preventing the bulbs from attaining sufficient size for flowering since leaf number is correlated with bulb size. If each bulb is producing plenty of leaves (10 or more) year after year but still no flowers, then that indicates something is either preventing flower initiation or causing flower abortion. I agree that excessive fertilization could conceivably prevent flowering of large bulbs but small bulbs benefit greatly from proper fertilization. Nathan At 05:06 PM 6/16/2015, you wrote: >Hi again, > >Monty Don holds the position of head gardener for the UK, I found >this quote from him. > >Q My daughter came back from holiday in Jersey three years ago with >a packet of Jersey lilies. We have grown them in pots and had lovely >green leaves, but no flowers. >Freda Turner, Eastwood, Essex > >A Amaryllis belladonna, or the Jersey lily does not come from >Jersey, but South Africa. That's the clue to its success. It need >lots of sun to flower in September or October, which is why it does >well in Jersey. For you, it is best to grow it in a greenhouse or >conservatory and to give it poor soil and not feed it. This will >reduce the leaves and encourage it to flower. To impoverish the >soil, mix peat-free potting compost half and half with grit. > >-- >David Pilling From enoster@hotmail.com Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Leucocrinum montanum Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 13:47:45 -0700 Thanks, is it true that the seed pods never rise above the surface? Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From penstemon@Q.com Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: "penstemon" Subject: Leucocrinum montanum Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 15:14:49 -0600 Thanks, is it true that the seed pods never rise above the surface? It is. It’s thought that ants find the seeds in the ground, and carry them off. Bob _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From enoster@hotmail.com Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Brodiaea elegans Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:13:08 -0700 Here are a few photos I took of Brodiaea elegans growing en masse on the side of the road near where I live. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8kX_XlSnZAc/VXQ1AdnHxwI/AAAAAAAAB2o/Ifa2AKpp42U/s1600/DSCN4824.JPG And http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rdn-gKE9QYM/VX2JDTYbQOI/AAAAAAAAB5s/8QV_SlkThXM/s1600/DSCN4768.JPG More on my blog. Thanks! Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From 64kkmjr@gmail.com Thu, 18 Jun 2015 12:17:02 -0700 Message-Id: From: Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com> Subject: Brodiaea elegans Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 12:02:02 -0700 Very nice Travis, thanks. Karl On Jun 18, 2015 11:13 AM, "Travis O" wrote: > Here are a few photos I took of Brodiaea elegans growing en masse on the > side of the road near where I live. > > > http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8kX_XlSnZAc/VXQ1AdnHxwI/AAAAAAAAB2o/Ifa2AKpp42U/s1600/DSCN4824.JPG > > And > > > http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rdn-gKE9QYM/VX2JDTYbQOI/AAAAAAAAB5s/8QV_SlkThXM/s1600/DSCN4768.JPG > > More on my blog. Thanks! > > Travis Owen > Rogue River, OR > > amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From tylus.seklos@gmail.com Fri, 19 Jun 2015 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: The Silent Seed Subject: Geissorhiza radians Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 17:30:06 -0400 Can somebody help me source this bulb? Or seeds if necessary. Thanks, Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com From markemazer@gmail.com Fri, 19 Jun 2015 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Mark Mazer Subject: Geissorhiza radians Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 18:03:16 -0400 Silverhill for seed now. Twenty years ago, it would sometimes show up as a weed on various seed exchanges. Mark Mazer Hertford, NC USDA 8a On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 5:30 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: > Can somebody help me source this bulb? Or seeds if necessary. > Thanks, Jude > > > -- > The Silent Seed > Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. > thesilentseed.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From ds429@frontier.com Sat, 20 Jun 2015 07:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1434806621.25401.YahooMailBasic@web163104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 380 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 06:23:41 -0700 Dear All,       The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at mailto:ds429@frontier.com   Include "BX 380" in the subject line.         Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I do not already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/share of seeds or $3 - $5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added.     Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website:         If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 55 W. High St. Salem, WV 26426 USA Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. ALL ORDERS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS ONLY. Dell's email address ds429@frontier.com Do not hit the reply tab or you will reply to all PBS members by mistake.             I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Uli Urban: 1. Lachenalia punctata, (syn. L. rubida) bulbili. The plant is quite showy with red tubular flowers in early spring and is strictly winter growing. The bulbili form at the leaf bases and on the midrib like structure of the leaf.The mother plant was given to me by Dietrich Müller-Doblis but I do not have the collection data. 2. Gladiolus flanaganii, cormlets and small corms. It grows very vigorously with me but is a little shy to flower, easy, summer growing and winter dry. 3. Tubers of my blue tropical waterlily. I posted those before. I lost the mother tubers in winter due to rot but the small tubers that formed in the center of the leaves were kept in moist Sphagnum with some fungicide at a temperature around 10°C. They kept very well, I started 2 of them at the end of April and all sprouted. I had kept one in unheated water in my frost free but cold greenhouse. It is sprouting, too. They should be started immediately in warm water, give them as much light and warmth as possible, fertilize well (Osmocote is best) and then they will grow VERY quickly. Purple-blue flowers with yellow centre held above the water, very scented. Will form new tubers or even small plants on the leaves (viviparous) Identity is uncertain, I got it as an exchange from the Strasbourg Botanical Garden in France under the name of Nymphaea daubeniana which it is definitely not. It comes closest to the Hybrid 'Tina' From Rimmer de Vries: 4. Cyclamen graecum- fresh seeds moist packed in vermiculite. 5. Seeds of Clivia miniata hyb- ex Maris Andersons- blooms as Salmon D4 to Apricot D6 (VERY FEW) Thank you, Uli and Rimmer !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From ds429@frontier.com Sat, 20 Jun 2015 10:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1434818567.21454.YahooMailBasic@web163106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: BX 380 CLOSED Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 09:42:47 -0700 Small supplies go fast. Packages should go out within the week. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <18681878.3027197.1434842631556.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> From: arcangelo wessells via pbs Subject: blooming recently Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 23:23:51 +0000 (UTC) Here are some photos of Allium amplectens with visiting beetles last month. Travis, thanks for sharing your interest in this subject. It amazes me how often blooming bulbs have tiny insects visiting the flowers. Also present are photos of Gethyllis grandiflora blooming for the first time. They came up on a Saturday, opened Sunday and were wilted by Monday. here is a link to the photos on Flickr:Archie |   | |   | |   |   |   |   |   | | ArchieExplore Archie's 86 photos on Flickr! | | | | View on www.flickr.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | |   | _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From bulborum@gmail.com Sat, 20 Jun 2015 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Bulborum Botanicum Subject: blooming recently Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 01:42:55 +0200 Can't find a picture from Archie Maybe you have a correct link Roland R de Boer 2238 Route de la Maugardiere F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com Facebook Group English :https://www.facebook.com/groups/bulborum/ Facebook Group French : https://www.facebook.com/groups/1454572311501070/ 2015-06-21 1:23 GMT+02:00 arcangelo wessells via pbs : > Here are some photos of Allium amplectens with visiting beetles last > month. Travis, thanks for sharing your interest in this subject. It amazes > me how often blooming bulbs have tiny insects visiting the flowers. > Also present are photos of Gethyllis grandiflora blooming for the first > time. They came up on a Saturday, opened Sunday and were wilted by Monday. > here is a link to the photos on Flickr:Archie > > | | > | | | | | | | | > | ArchieExplore Archie's 86 photos on Flickr! | > | | > | View on www.flickr.com | Preview by Yahoo | > | | > | | > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Sat, 20 Jun 2015 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <55860E73.5070301@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Subject: blooming recently Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 02:08:03 +0100 Hi, On 21/06/15 00:42, Bulborum Botanicum wrote: > Can't find a picture from Archie > Maybe you have a correct link https://www.flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/ (photos of Allium amplectens ,Gethyllis grandiflora) -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From enoster@hotmail.com Sun, 21 Jun 2015 09:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: blooming recently, Allium amplectens Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 09:04:08 -0700 Thanks Archie, neat photos. I too have noticed tiny beetles on many of my bulbs, and most plants in my garden (as my next blog post will show). They meet on the flowers for food (nectar, pollen, or the flower parts themselves), to mate, and sometimes for shelter. They are the main pollinators of many plants, including many bulbs (even a few species of Tulipa, for example). Allium amplectens 'Graceful', in my garden, was highly attractive to a variety of flies (syrphids, beeflies, tachnid flies, and others) and small bees. They've appeared to set a lot of seed, though each floret seems to only produce one or a few seeds each. In the book 'Bulbs of North America' (NARGS) the species is noted as having seeds that are dispersed by wind, the bracts remaining attached, which may make cleaning the seed a pain. Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com From arnold140@verizon.net Sun, 21 Jun 2015 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <17478843.3692785.1434933741260.JavaMail.root@vznit170182.mailsrvcs.net> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: BULB GARDEN Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 19:42:21 -0500 (CDT) The next Bulb Garden was mailed earlier this week. Any PBS member who does not receive it by the end of the coming week please contact me at arnold140@verizon.net. Please include your mailing address with your note. Arnold Treasurer, PBS From gardenbetter@gmail.com Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Shmuel Silinsky Subject: Naturalizing Alliums Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:50:17 -0400 Hi Travis, How cold is cold? Could be some of the species around Israel would do. Shmuel Jerusalem On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Travis O wrote: > Hello, > > I am looking for suggestions for non-weedy Alliums that can be naturalized > in a wet cold winter/dry baking summer climate (Grants Pass, OR)? I would > prefer short plants. > > And ideas? > > Travis Owen > Rogue River, OR > > amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From enoster@hotmail.com Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Naturalizing Alliums Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 11:49:59 -0700 Our Winters vary with lows from 0 to 15 degrees Fahrenheit, always very wet. Summers are bone dry, hottest weeks exceeding 100 degrees Fahrenheit. Also, deer and rodents are prevalent. While the deer do not eat the Alliums, squirrels have systematically dug the bulbs of Allium amplectens and A. sphaerocephalon, leaving the defiled scapes laying next to the hole they dug, just to taunt me. We have both ground and tree squirrels,not sure who the culprit is yet. Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com www.pacificbulbsociety.org From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Tue, 23 Jun 2015 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <558971EC.8070703@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Hippeastrum solandriflorum Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 07:49:16 -0700 I have received several requests recently to resurrect my blog: www.thebulbmaven.typepad.com. I stopped posting about a year ago, mostly because I didn't have the time. Blogs seem to be hard to maintain after a couple of years, and I had this trouble too. I had hoped it would fend off the many, many e-mails I get asking questions about bulbs. I could post information on the blog, I hoped, and people could look there. It seemed to produce the opposite effect, generating even more questions ("you said on your blog .... but ...."). I have currently posted on H. solandriflorum, which I was surprised to find is now called H. elegans. I have almost no information on this species as far as habitat and growing conditions are concerned, but mine have done well on my heated bench grown in almost pure pumice, and have rewarded me with many flowers this year. I will try to continue to post on Hippeastrum, since this seems to be a popular topic, and will also post on other species, of course. Diana Telos Rare Bulbs www.telosrarebulbs.com www.thebulbmaven.typepad.com From enoster@hotmail.com Tue, 23 Jun 2015 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Hippeastrum solandriflorum Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 11:37:07 -0700 Diana, maybe you can redirect questions to the PBS list? I'm sure there are others who'd be able and willing to answer questions for you. I feel your pain about blogging. I've spent hours on a single post, not even considering taking the photos. Still, it is fun and rewarding. Btw, I like your blog and I hope you keep it up. Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com www.pacificbulbsociety.org From dkramb@badbear.com Wed, 24 Jun 2015 09:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: aril irises & arilbreds Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 11:44:51 -0400 The 2015 Aril Society International Plant Sale is underway. If you live in the USA or Canada you can buy some unusual aril iris species and hybrids. It's the first time I've ever seen Iris mandschurica, a Psammiris, for sale. There's lots of varieties of Iris paradoxa available too. http://www.arilsociety.org/index.pl?2015Catalog Only members can place an order. If you're not an ASI member you can become one at the same time you place your order. The sale has been underway for about a week, so some items are already sold out. About 2 more weeks remain before the sale closes on July 10. A members-only seed sale takes place in November/December. Dennis (ASI Webmaster) in Cincinnati From youngs.aberdeen@btinternet.com Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <6D297DCF62EC4896AAC277298A119E7F@yourfe7fbfa660> From: "Youngs Aberdeen" Subject: IRG 66 now online Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 19:26:35 +0100 News of the latest issue of International Rock Gardener ISSN 2053-7557 Issue 66 June 2015 online here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2015Jun251435252604IRG_66.pdf Plants to be seen in spring in the area of Mt Trevenque in the Spanish Sierra Nevada by Dieter Zschummel with photos by Dieter and Kirsten Andersen. Cyclamen elegans discussed by Grahame Ware, photos by Michael Kammerlander New galanthus cultivars from Anne Wright - the Dryad Gold group. Full index to IRG http://files.srgc.net/journals/IRGIndex66.pdf Main IRG page http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=international You are welcome to submit articles for possible inclusion to: Margaret Young editor@internationalrockgardener.net From robin@hansennursery.com Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Robin Hansen" Subject: Summer-Fall Bulb Garden Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 11:47:42 -0700 By now, hopefully, all of you have received the Spring 2015 issue of The Bulb Garden. As is mentioned the spring issue, I’m looking for botanical tourism experiences as well as experience in going it alone within the last two years, preferably. I know some of you have gone out on your own alone or with like-minded groups, while others have used tours such as those assembled by the Scottish Rock Garden Club and Alpine Garden Society. Even a few paragraphs or brief comments would be welcome. Also, many of us on the west coast are experiencing severe summer dry weather conditions and I’d like to hear how anyone who is coping with drought is surviving, their techniques, tools, strategies, etc. Again, a few paragraphs or brief comments are welcome and I will be reading discussion group comments as well. I’m excited to be embarking what I regard as a “treasure hunt” for articles, information and opinions for publication in the journal. Please let me know what you’re interested in reading about or if you have an idea for an article you’d like to write. Never mind if you think you don’t write well or have no photographs. That’s why Jennifer Hildebrand and I are here to help, and we’ll be happy to walk with you through the process. I look forward to hearing from you. If you don’t want to respond to the group email, feel free to contact me at my personal email below. Have a great summer - Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Thu, 25 Jun 2015 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Mauro Peixoto of brazilplants.com coming to California Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 13:58:24 -0700 If any of you are interested, Mauro Peixoto who runs the brazilplants.com website of photos and sells seeds of all kinds of native Brazilian plants including a lot of geophytes, has been sponsored by some gesneriad people to come speak in Northern California on July 4 and in Southern California on July 10. His talks will of course be gesneriad-oriented (although there are a number of gesneriads that form tubers), he told me he will be more than happy to meet bulb people and talk about bulbs, both Brazilian and otherwise, at either event. (He told me to warn you that there will only be 2 Amaryllids in each presentation, Worsleya and one Hippeastrum!) He is also planning on visiting the Huntington Gardens on one of his days down south. He's hoping it's either July 8 or 9. We will try to organize a get-together for that as well. Details for the two presentation are as follows: July 4, 10:30-11:30 am at the Gesneriad Convention at the Marriott Oakland City Center, 1001 Broadway, Oakland CA 94607 July 10, 7:30-9:00 pm at the South Bay Begonia Society meeting at Dana Middle School Auditorium, 5504 W. 135th St., Hawthorne, CA (Donation $5.00) I got to visit Mauro several times while working on a project in Brazil a couple of years ago, and he is (as many plant people are) one of the coolest people. He took me on some quick hikes to various areas near his home and down at the coast to look at various cool native plants (including various Alstroemeria species and we even found a Hippeastrum reticulatum var striatifolium in a coastal forest not more than 500 yards from the Atlantic Ocean), and a longer trip to Harri Lorenzi's absolutely beautiful botanical garden Jardim Botânico Plantarum where I got to see some Griffinia unlike any that I've seen or seen photos of elsewhere. And his shadehouses are packed full of the most amazing collection of geophytes and plants from all over Brazil. (In particular, Hippeastrums, Griffinias, Worsleyas, and Neomaricas.) Neat guy. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Thu, 25 Jun 2015 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Mauro Peixoto of brazilplants.com coming to California Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:03:41 -0500 Lucky you! Would love to hear Mauro P. Hope the visit will be packed with new and interesting info for bulb folks and others, to absorb. -Cynthia Mueller Cynthia W Mueller > On Jun 25, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Lee Poulsen wrote: > > If any of you are interested, Mauro Peixoto who runs the brazilplants.com website of photos and sells seeds of all kinds of native Brazilian plants including a lot of geophytes, has been sponsored by some gesneriad people to come speak in Northern California on July 4 and in Southern California on July 10. His talks will of course be gesneriad-oriented (although there are a number of gesneriads that form tubers), he told me he will be more than happy to meet bulb people and talk about bulbs, both Brazilian and otherwise, at either event. (He told me to warn you that there will only be 2 Amaryllids in each presentation, Worsleya and one Hippeastrum!) > > He is also planning on visiting the Huntington Gardens on one of his days down south. He's hoping it's either July 8 or 9. We will try to organize a get-together for that as well. > > Details for the two presentation are as follows: > > July 4, 10:30-11:30 am at the Gesneriad Convention at the Marriott Oakland City Center, 1001 Broadway, Oakland CA 94607 > > July 10, 7:30-9:00 pm at the South Bay Begonia Society meeting at Dana Middle School Auditorium, 5504 W. 135th St., Hawthorne, CA (Donation $5.00) > > I got to visit Mauro several times while working on a project in Brazil a couple of years ago, and he is (as many plant people are) one of the coolest people. He took me on some quick hikes to various areas near his home and down at the coast to look at various cool native plants (including various Alstroemeria species and we even found a Hippeastrum reticulatum var striatifolium in a coastal forest not more than 500 yards from the Atlantic Ocean), and a longer trip to Harri Lorenzi's absolutely beautiful botanical garden Jardim Botânico Plantarum where I got to see some Griffinia unlike any that I've seen or seen photos of elsewhere. And his shadehouses are packed full of the most amazing collection of geophytes and plants from all over Brazil. (In particular, Hippeastrums, Griffinias, Worsleyas, and Neomaricas.) Neat guy. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From 64kkmjr@gmail.com Thu, 25 Jun 2015 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com> Subject: Mauro Peixoto of brazilplants.com coming to California Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 14:13:39 -0700 Thanks Lee, Keep us informed regarding any plans for the 8 or 9. Karl Church On Jun 25, 2015 1:58 PM, "Lee Poulsen" wrote: > If any of you are interested, Mauro Peixoto who runs the brazilplants.com > website of photos and sells seeds of all kinds of native Brazilian plants > including a lot of geophytes, has been sponsored by some gesneriad people > to come speak in Northern California on July 4 and in Southern California > on July 10. His talks will of course be gesneriad-oriented (although there > are a number of gesneriads that form tubers), he told me he will be more > than happy to meet bulb people and talk about bulbs, both Brazilian and > otherwise, at either event. (He told me to warn you that there will only be > 2 Amaryllids in each presentation, Worsleya and one Hippeastrum!) > > He is also planning on visiting the Huntington Gardens on one of his days > down south. He's hoping it's either July 8 or 9. We will try to organize a > get-together for that as well. > > Details for the two presentation are as follows: > > July 4, 10:30-11:30 am at the Gesneriad Convention at the Marriott Oakland > City Center, 1001 Broadway, Oakland CA 94607 > > July 10, 7:30-9:00 pm at the South Bay Begonia Society meeting at Dana > Middle School Auditorium, 5504 W. 135th St., Hawthorne, CA (Donation $5.00) > > I got to visit Mauro several times while working on a project in Brazil a > couple of years ago, and he is (as many plant people are) one of the > coolest people. He took me on some quick hikes to various areas near his > home and down at the coast to look at various cool native plants (including > various Alstroemeria species and we even found a Hippeastrum reticulatum > var striatifolium in a coastal forest not more than 500 yards from the > Atlantic Ocean), and a longer trip to Harri Lorenzi's absolutely beautiful > botanical garden Jardim Botânico Plantarum where I got to see some > Griffinia unlike any that I've seen or seen photos of elsewhere. And his > shadehouses are packed full of the most amazing collection of geophytes and > plants from all over Brazil. (In particular, Hippeastrums, Griffinias, > Worsleyas, and Neomaricas.) Neat guy. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From msittner@mcn.org Fri, 26 Jun 2015 20:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <20150627022827.427AB2209F@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Resnova humifusa or Drimiopsis maxima Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 19:19:26 -0700 Hi, I got the request below for a plant I once grew, but no longer have. If anyone can help him obtain this plant, please contact him privately at "Dmitrijs Uzameckis" Thanks. Mary Sue >I'm a researcher and curator of our small collection of rare and >unusual plants in Daugavpils University (LATVIA)! >At the moment we are doing some research on Drimia, Drimiopsis, >Ledebouria and Resnova.... >We are missing for our collection - Resnova humifusa or Drimiopsis maxima! > >If so, are there any opportunities to obtain this amazing plant from you? >With hope for your kind assistance, >Dmitrij >-- >--------------------------------------- >Dr. Dmitrijs Uzameckis, PhD >Dpt. of Molecular Biology & Genetics >Institute of Ecology >Daugavpils University >Daugavpils >Latvia >phone: +371 29958536 >e-mail: uzameckis@inbox.lv From zigur@hotmail.com Fri, 26 Jun 2015 23:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tim Harvey Subject: Resnova humifusa or Drimiopsis maxima Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 22:17:49 -0700 LinkedIn says he worked at Uppsala for 11 months a year or so ago. T > On Jun 26, 2015, at 7:28 PM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > > Hi, > > I got the request below for a plant I once grew, but no longer have. If anyone can help him obtain this plant, please contact him privately at "Dmitrijs Uzameckis" > Thanks. > > Mary Sue > >> I'm a researcher and curator of our small collection of rare and unusual plants in Daugavpils University (LATVIA)! >> At the moment we are doing some research on Drimia, Drimiopsis, Ledebouria and Resnova.... >> We are missing for our collection - Resnova humifusa or Drimiopsis maxima! >> >> If so, are there any opportunities to obtain this amazing plant from you? >> With hope for your kind assistance, >> Dmitrij >> -- >> --------------------------------------- >> Dr. Dmitrijs Uzameckis, PhD >> Dpt. of Molecular Biology & Genetics >> Institute of Ecology >> Daugavpils University >> Daugavpils >> Latvia >> phone: +371 29958536 >> e-mail: uzameckis@inbox.lv > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jgglatt@gmail.com Sat, 27 Jun 2015 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <558F51C0.1080909@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Amorphophallus titanum in Bloom in Scotland Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 21:45:36 -0400 Nice article about stinky flower. Corm weighs a respectable 153.9 kg. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-33298143 Judy in soggy New Jersey and now also chilly (well, 61 degrees F. - yes, it is evening - after 92 degrees F. - daytime high - a few days ago *feels* chilly) From amcdeubner@gmail.com Sat, 27 Jun 2015 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Anne McNeil Subject: Amorphophallus titanum in Bloom in Scotland Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 19:47:05 -0700 That is one HUGE corm! Nice their perseverance paid off after 12 years! On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 6:45 PM, Judy Glattstein wrote: > Nice article about stinky flower. Corm weighs a respectable 153.9 kg. > > http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-33298143 > > Judy in soggy New Jersey and now also chilly (well, 61 degrees F. - yes, > it is evening - after 92 degrees F. - daytime high - a few days ago > *feels* chilly) > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From garak@code-garak.de Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <55907C42.9060002@code-garak.de> From: Garak Subject: Introducing Mr Garak Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 00:59:14 +0200 Hi PBS-Members, as the welcome mail to the list sugests, I'd like to introduce myself: My name is Martin Bohnet, though in most of my internet activities I use the name Garak or pmmGarak, hence the title.. I've got a degree in chemical engineering and earn my living in the automotive industry, so I'm strictly an amateur in gardening and botanics. I live near Stuttgart in southern Germany. Most maps list the area as zone 7a, though central europe has tricky winters for geophytes, as cold and dry continental spells alternate with mild an wet atlantic ones, and a closed snow cover is a rare thing, so winter hardiness or methods of hibernating is a tricky multidimensional thing for me. in my youth I've loved to experiment with the most unusual bulbs available in local stores - which was rather limited to Tigridia Pavonia, Nerine Bowdenii und Eucomis bicolor back in then 90ies . After finally obtaining a garden of my own, I came across some Tigridia Vanhouttei seeds on Ebay last year. I always thought growing bulbs from seed was too much effort, but those started well, and I think I'm hooked now, even though those T. Vanhouttei will likely need another year to flower. This year I've entered an exploring phase after finding several internet sources of things any local garden center has never dreamed of, and your Wiki was an invaluable source of information. Right now I've got seedlings of several gladiolus and tigridia species, Eucomis pole evansii, Cypella Herbertii, Arum Nigrum, Allium Obliquum... latest thing to sow has been brunsvigia grandiflora. Obviously, this will result in many questions, that's why I've decided to join this list. I'm yet unsure if I should become a paying member of the PBS, as I don't know how much exchange of bulbs or tubers will be possible across the continents, or how many members in the EU exist. Then again, I think that many of the failing experiments (e.g. too many of the African gladiolus, Kniphofia Albescens, Eucomis Vandermerwei...) were a result of too old seeds with these low volume products, so exchanging seeds (which don't need the phytosaniwhatever certificate if I remember correctly) with people who actually care may help a lot. I hope I didn't bore you too much with this lengthy introduction! Greetings from Germany! Martin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Bohnet, Göppingen near Stuttgart, Germany, Zone 7a _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From 64kkmjr@gmail.com Sun, 28 Jun 2015 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com> Subject: Introducing Mr Garak Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:20:33 -0700 Welcome Martin, As a member of the SX team, I encourage you to join the PBS. Right now I'm sorting 77 seeds contributions that will be available to members early next month. Karl Church Dinuba, CA zone 9b On Jun 28, 2015 4:04 PM, "Garak" wrote: > Hi PBS-Members, > > as the welcome mail to the list sugests, I'd like to introduce myself: My > name is Martin Bohnet, though in most of my internet activities I use the > name Garak or pmmGarak, hence the title.. I've got a degree in chemical > engineering and earn my living in the automotive industry, so I'm strictly > an amateur in gardening and botanics. I live near Stuttgart in southern > Germany. Most maps list the area as zone 7a, though central europe has > tricky winters for geophytes, as cold and dry continental spells alternate > with mild an wet atlantic ones, and a closed snow cover is a rare thing, so > winter hardiness or methods of hibernating is a tricky multidimensional > thing for me. > > in my youth I've loved to experiment with the most unusual bulbs > available in local stores - which was rather limited to Tigridia Pavonia, > Nerine Bowdenii und Eucomis bicolor back in then 90ies . After finally > obtaining a garden of my own, I came across some Tigridia Vanhouttei seeds > on Ebay last year. I always thought growing bulbs from seed was too much > effort, but those started well, and I think I'm hooked now, even though > those T. Vanhouttei will likely need another year to flower. This year I've > entered an exploring phase after finding several internet sources of things > any local garden center has never dreamed of, and your Wiki was an > invaluable source of information. Right now I've got seedlings of several > gladiolus and tigridia species, Eucomis pole evansii, Cypella Herbertii, > Arum Nigrum, Allium Obliquum... latest thing to sow has been brunsvigia > grandiflora. Obviously, this will result in many questions, that's why I've > decided to join this list. > > I'm yet unsure if I should become a paying member of the PBS, as I don't > know how much exchange of bulbs or tubers will be possible across the > continents, or how many members in the EU exist. Then again, I think that > many of the failing experiments (e.g. too many of the African gladiolus, > Kniphofia Albescens, Eucomis Vandermerwei...) were a result of too old > seeds with these low volume products, so exchanging seeds (which don't need > the phytosaniwhatever certificate if I remember correctly) with people who > actually care may help a lot. > > I hope I didn't bore you too much with this lengthy introduction! > > Greetings from Germany! > > Martin > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Martin Bohnet, Göppingen near Stuttgart, Germany, Zone 7a > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From enoster@hotmail.com Sun, 28 Jun 2015 19:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Travis O Subject: Mystery Piperia Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:46:45 -0700 Hi ya'll, I am hoping someone can help me determine what species of Piperia this is. I've put a photo and a description on the link below. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MysteryBulbs#piperia Thanks! Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com www.pacificbulbsociety.org From plantsman@comcast.net Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <20150629033413.D254E21A68@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Nathan Lange Subject: Mystery Piperia Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 20:32:10 -0700 Because of the long horizontal spurs, it looks like Piperia transversa, native to both Oregon and California, as well as several other western states. The other green plants behind it, near the bottom of the picture, look like Trientalis latifolia. Nathan At 06:46 PM 6/28/2015, you wrote: >Hi ya'll, > >I am hoping someone can help me determine what species of Piperia >this is. I've put a photo and a description on the link below. > >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MysteryBulbs#piperia > >Thanks! > >Travis Owen >Rogue River, OR > >amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com >www.pacificbulbsociety.org > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From stnalpsoel@gmail.com Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Leo Martin Subject: Amorphophallus titanum in Bloom in Scotland Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:25:35 -0700 Are they sure ee wa nought a haggis? Leo Martin Zone ? Yes, I have tried it. Phoenix Arizona USA From michaelcmace@gmail.com Sun, 28 Jun 2015 23:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <02b601d0b229$260fd740$722f85c0$@gmail.com> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: Introducing Mr Garak Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:04:48 -0700 Welcome, Martin! Thanks for the interesting introduction. It was not boring at all! Mike San Jose, CA