Jane wrote: " If a plant that can also climb is being considered as a groundcover over bulbs, I would not recommend the Akebia that, as a mystery plant, started the recent discussion. " Jane, that mystery plant is still, after its image has been viewed over a thousand times by people on several forums and listservs internationally, a mystery. If it's an Akebia, it does not really match any of the species I've seen. And Carlo, the parthenocissus you so long to grow is not for us here on the East Coast, at least not in USDA zone 7. It has disappeared more than once from my garden. It might be possible coddled near a wall, but it's not a plant for the open garden. Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/