Hi Tim, Where are you located (zone)? Thanks for the info. Ernie -----Original Message----- From: Tim Eck <teck11@embarqmail.com> To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2015 8:48 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Crinum - 'Super Ellen' I think Jim Shields found C. variabile to be as hardy for him as bulbispermum and he created hybrids of the two. Plant Delights had them but may not offer them. I don't think scabrum is very hardy but its cross with bulbispermum (Herbertii) is fairly hardy (6B?). I lost a lot of Herbertii to a cold winter this year. Cold and wet will kill a lot of things - so you can effectively gain two zones by raking leaves over them in the fall and covering with plastic. I have crosses of bulbispermum and variabile with lots of others like hardyi, ligulatum, lavranii, macowanii, firmifolium, carolo-schmidtii, fimbriatulum, oliganthum, erubescens, and some hybrids that should be hardy to zone 6 or 7. Tim Eck When a philosopher says something that is true, then it is trivial. When he says something that is not trivial, then it is false. Gauss