From iain@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org Fri, 01 Aug 2014 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <4315AD36FC4A414FA299E59CEDB364EF@homepc> From: Subject: vernalising Lycoris Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 20:26:51 +0100 Just a thought Nathan but have you considered that if the mountain i.e. the cold won't come to Mohamed therefore Mohamed i.e. you might go to the mountain. Perhaps if you had a friend or acquaintance who lives in your latitude but at higher altitude[s] it might be possible to achieve your objective with this genus. Our problem with Lilium is invariably the opposite e.g. the Cardiocrinums over winter in either our garage or workshop depending on space and how many. Not having grown Lycoris I don't know how amenable it or they are to potted winter migration. Might be worth a try. From btankers@gmail.com Fri, 01 Aug 2014 14:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: Boyce Tankersley Subject: vernalising Lycoris Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:08:34 -0500 When I lived in Galveston, Texas, we used to utilize the ice left over from our adult beverages to provide cooling to the root systems of orchids that required a period of cooler temperatures to flower. A lot more fun than lugging pots around but I honestly don't recall it being that effective - at promoting flowering that is. Certainly made hot afternoons more bearable for human folk. Boyce Tankersley On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:26 PM, wrote: > Just a thought Nathan but have you considered that if the mountain i.e. > the cold won't come to Mohamed > therefore Mohamed i.e. you might go to the mountain. Perhaps if you had a > friend or acquaintance who > lives in your latitude but at higher altitude[s] it might be possible to > achieve your objective with this > genus. Our problem with Lilium is invariably the opposite e.g. the > Cardiocrinums over winter in either > our garage or workshop depending on space and how many. Not having grown > Lycoris I don't know how > amenable it or they are to potted winter migration. Might be worth a try. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From plantsman@comcast.net Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <20140802021829.E027121855@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Nathan Lange Subject: Lycoris squamigera in warm climates Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 19:18:55 -0700 Jane, Lack of humidity? That could be yet another reason they don't grow in much of California. One location worth mentioning is Santa Fe, New Mexico (USDA zone 6b) where L. squamigera reportedly flowers well: http://www.santafebotanicalgarden.org/september-2010/ Santa Fe's warmest monthly average night temperature is 55F (13C) in July, 49F (9C) in June when the foliage may still be green, with day temps over 30F (17C) warmer: http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USNM0292 There are many locations in California which have much warmer average summer night temperature profiles than Santa Fe, but none come close to being as cold as Santa Fe in the winter or as humid as Santa Fe in the summer. Nathan At 09:47 AM 7/31/2014, you wrote: >Some years ago I bought several species of Lycoris, including L. >squamigera, ......but none of them ever flowered. I assumed this was >due to their experiencing cool nights and low humidity in summer. >These conditions often adversely affect plants that have evolved in >humid-summer regions where night temperatures are not extremely >lower than day temperatures in summer. A typical example was the >past few days, with daytime highs around 90 degrees F and nighttime >lows around 60 degrees F. From penstemon@Q.com Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "penstemon" Subject: Lycoris squamigera in warm climates Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 21:00:39 -0600 Lack of humidity? That could be yet another reason they don't grow in much of California. You mean "rainfall" rather than "humidity", don’t you? Cities on the west coast are considerably more humid than cities in Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, etc., except when it's raining. Denver has relatively wet springs and dry summers (usually; not this summer); Santa Fe has very dry springs and relatively wet summers due to the Mexican monsoon. There used to be a large colony of Lycoris squamigera in Denver, planted between an irrigated lawn and a parking lot. Considering that the ones I planted emerged in the spring and then vanished, my impression of this plant is that it doesn't tolerate summer-dry soil. Bob Nold Denver, Colorado, USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ang.por@alice.it Sat, 02 Aug 2014 02:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1479600d0ef.ang.por@alice.it> From: "ang.por@alice.it" Subject: Lycoris squamigera in warm climates Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:15:41 +0200 (CEST) Jim, yes I grow a lot of Amaryllis belladonna forms and Nerine sarniensis hybrids and all flower without troubles in ordinary garden soil. Squamigera is always the first to wake up, early-mid July, quickly followed by sprengeri, incarnata, longituba. The radiata 'group' (houdyshellii, elsiae, some fancy 'species' from Chen Yi) and aurea and chinensis will flower in mid September to all October. Amaryllis belladonna, the 'type' form is the first to bloom, but not before early August, all the x Amarygia forms will flower much later in September till all October. Nerines in October and November, some like Pink Triumph in December.Kelly, I have tens of photo of all them in my Facebook profile, I haven't added to Wiki as there were already many of them .Angelo PorcelliApulia-Southern Italy From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Sat, 02 Aug 2014 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1406984789.14160.YahooMailNeo@web121302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Lycoris squamigera in warm climates Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 06:06:29 -0700 Angelo, thanks so much! Yours is the first confirmation i'm aware of that there are places where both Lycoris squamigera and Amaryllis belladonna (and the Nerine) all thrive and flower under garden conditions.  Now to figure out why it happens for you and not for me! Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where Amaryllis belladonna has been a vigorous,  leafy (but bloom-less), thickly clumping presence in my garden since 2005.  On Saturday, August 2, 2014 5:15 AM, "ang.por@alice.it" wrote: Jim, yes I grow a lot of Amaryllis belladonna forms and Nerine sarniensis hybrids and all flower without troubles in ordinary garden soil. Squamigera is always the first to wake up, early-mid July, quickly followed by sprengeri, incarnata, longituba. The radiata 'group' (houdyshellii, elsiae, some fancy 'species' from Chen Yi) and aurea and chinensis will flower in mid September to all October. Amaryllis belladonna, the 'type' form is the first to bloom, but not before early August, all the x Amarygia forms will flower much later in September till all October. Nerines in October and November, some like Pink Triumph in December.Kelly, I have tens of photo of all them in my Facebook profile, I haven't added to Wiki as there were already many of them .Angelo PorcelliApulia-Southern Italy From jpsknisely@gmail.com Sat, 02 Aug 2014 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jonathan Knisely Subject: Lycoris squamigera & Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:56:39 -0400 Before this topic fades away, I wanted to share back with interested PBS subscribers that I checked with my sister, who lives in Sebastopol, California (the namesake of the one that used to be in Ukraine) about whether or not she has seen Lycoris squamigera blooming there. She and I have previously communicated about Amaryllis belladonna and how I wished I could grow it in Connecticut. She states that Lycoris squamigera does bloom there, and that its blooming signals the end of summer locally (kind of like goldenrod (Solidago spp) elsewhere in North America. She sent me a few pictures of it that she snapped with her mobile phone that are in bloom now as documentation. Now's the time, if anyone wants to make the trip to see them there. Jonathan Knisely New Haven, CT 06511 USDA 6a _________ Shawn, That's worth checking into. Sebastopol may have one of the highest concentrations of Amaryllis belladonna in Sonoma County but I have yet to see any Lycoris squamigera flowering there. Nathan At 07:26 AM 7/31/2014, you wrote: I wonder if the Robinetts grew Lycoris squamigera up in Sebastopol, CA, where it does dip into the teens Fahrenheit. I imagine one could see it and Amaryllis belladonna side-by-side there. Shawn Pollard Yuma, AZ From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Sat, 02 Aug 2014 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1406996043.61773.YahooMailNeo@web121301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Lycoris squamigera & Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 09:14:03 -0700 Jonathan, can you post the pictures?  Jim McKenney On Saturday, August 2, 2014 11:56 AM, Jonathan Knisely wrote: Before this topic fades away, I wanted to share back with interested PBS subscribers that I checked with my sister, who lives in Sebastopol, California (the namesake of the one that used to be in Ukraine) about whether or not she has seen Lycoris squamigera blooming there.  She and I have previously communicated about Amaryllis belladonna and how I wished I could grow it in Connecticut.  She states that Lycoris squamigera does bloom there, and that its blooming signals the end of summer locally (kind of like goldenrod (Solidago spp) elsewhere in North America.  She sent me a few pictures of it that she snapped with her mobile phone that are in bloom now as documentation.  Now's the time, if anyone wants to make the trip to see them there. Jonathan Knisely New Haven, CT 06511 USDA 6a _________ Shawn, That's worth checking into. Sebastopol may have one of the highest concentrations of Amaryllis belladonna in Sonoma County but I have yet to see any Lycoris squamigera flowering there. Nathan At 07:26 AM 7/31/2014, you wrote: I wonder if the Robinetts grew Lycoris squamigera up in Sebastopol, CA, where it does dip into the teens Fahrenheit.  I imagine one could see it and Amaryllis belladonna side-by-side there. Shawn Pollard Yuma, AZ From plantsman@comcast.net Sat, 02 Aug 2014 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <20140802171747.60F3D21868@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Nathan Lange Subject: Lycoris squamigera & Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 10:17:42 -0700 Hi Jonathan, Absolutely! Could you please send one or more of the pictures and the specific location to my email address. Amaryllis belladonna are in full flower right now in Sebastopol so I have some skepticism. Nathan At 08:56 AM 8/2/2014, you wrote: >Before this topic fades away, I wanted to share back with interested PBS >subscribers that I checked with my sister, who lives in Sebastopol, >California (the namesake of the one that used to be in Ukraine) about >whether or not she has seen Lycoris squamigera blooming there. She and I >have previously communicated about Amaryllis belladonna and how I wished I >could grow it in Connecticut. She states that Lycoris squamigera does >bloom there, and that its blooming signals the end of summer locally (kind >of like goldenrod (Solidago spp) elsewhere in North America. She sent me a >few pictures of it that she snapped with her mobile phone that are in bloom >now as documentation. Now's the time, if anyone wants to make the trip to >see them there. > >Jonathan Knisely >New Haven, CT 06511 >USDA 6a > >_________ > >Shawn, > >That's worth checking into. Sebastopol may have one of the highest >concentrations of Amaryllis belladonna in Sonoma County but I have >yet to see any Lycoris squamigera flowering there. > >Nathan > > >At 07:26 AM 7/31/2014, you wrote: > >I wonder if the Robinetts grew Lycoris squamigera up in Sebastopol, > >CA, where it does dip into the teens Fahrenheit. I imagine one > >could see it and Amaryllis belladonna side-by-side there. > > >Shawn Pollard > >Yuma, AZ >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Sat, 02 Aug 2014 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <5B1C6726-A2CA-4B71-8315-6FF0FB9E1FD7@kc.rr.com> From: James Waddick Subject: Lycoris squamigera & Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 13:02:47 -0500 Dear PBSers, Let me start with an apology as this is not directed at any specific comments posted so far. I personally know of ‘good gardeners’ who can not tell Lycoris squamigera from Amaryllis belladonna. Most of these just happen to live in California. I urge you to go to the PBS wiki and study the numerous photos of both species and as you get familiar with each you can easily tell which is which. Amaryllis http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Amaryllis Lycoris http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Lycoris scroll to L. squamigera. I hope you will look at flower form, petal shape, stamen and pollen color, etc. Amaryllis is quite a variable species and ‘some gardeners’ think that a different flower color indicates a different species. That is a true experience. Lycoris is a highly variable genus, but L. squamigera is quite uniform and much less variable than A. belladonna. I urge any one who is unsure of the identity of their plants to compare flowers and form to the excellent pix on the bps wiki. We should all know the difference between these two distinct species. Best Jim W. On Aug 2, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Nathan Lange wrote: > > Hi Jonathan, > > Absolutely! Could you please send one or more of the pictures and the specific location to my email address. > > Amaryllis belladonna are in full flower right now in Sebastopol so I have some skepticism. > > Nathan > > > At 08:56 AM 8/2/2014, you wrote: >> Before this topic fades away, I wanted to share back with interested PBS >> subscribers that I checked with my sister, who lives in Sebastopol, >> California (the namesake of the one that used to be in Ukraine) about >> whether or not she has seen Lycoris squamigera blooming there. She and I >> have previously communicated about Amaryllis belladonna and how I wished I >> could grow it in Connecticut. She states that Lycoris squamigera does >> bloom there, and that its blooming signals the end of summer locally (kind >> of like goldenrod (Solidago spp) elsewhere in North America. She sent me a >> few pictures of it that she snapped with her mobile phone that are in bloom >> now as documentation. Now's the time, if anyone wants to make the trip to >> see them there. >> >> Jonathan Knisely >> New Haven, CT 06511 >> USDA 6a >> >> _________ >> >> Shawn, >> >> That's worth checking into. Sebastopol may have one of the highest >> concentrations of Amaryllis belladonna in Sonoma County but I have >> yet to see any Lycoris squamigera flowering there. >> >> Nathan >> >> >> At 07:26 AM 7/31/2014, you wrote: >> >> I wonder if the Robinetts grew Lycoris squamigera up in Sebastopol, >> >> CA, where it does dip into the teens Fahrenheit. I imagine one >> >> could see it and Amaryllis belladonna side-by-side there. >> >> >> Shawn Pollard >> >> Yuma, AZ >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Sat, 02 Aug 2014 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1407007908.13914.YahooMailNeo@web121305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Lycoris squamigera & Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 12:31:48 -0700 Jim Waddick's advice is good advice, but I'll bet that most of the people who need to take that advice will never see his message. What they will see unfortunately are the numerous instances where mass distribution catalogs use images of Amaryllis belladonna to sell Lycoris squamigera. This deception has been going on for decades, and it's not surprising why - Amaryllis belladonna is much more photogenic than Lycoris squamigera.  Learning your plants from a nursery catalog is a risky business: to be sure, there are many excellent catalogs out there. But I have a hunch that those good catalogs, some produced by respected contributors to this list, will never end up in the hands of most gardeners. What most  gardeners will likely get are the unsolicited ones I get, those slick vectors of hyperbole, dubious taxonomy and images in improbable colors. "Look at this here catalog, Ma, here's the pink thing blooming out back by the out house;  it's licorice sqawmidge or somethin."   Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where Lycoris squamigera, the real one, is popping up here and there. On Saturday, August 2, 2014 2:03 PM, James Waddick wrote: Dear PBSers,     Let me start with an apology as this is not directed at any specific comments posted so far.     I personally know of ‘good gardeners’ who can not tell Lycoris squamigera from Amaryllis belladonna.  Most of these just happen to live in California.     I urge you to go to the PBS wiki and study the numerous photos of both species and as you get familiar with each you can easily tell which is which.     Amaryllis        http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Amaryllis     Lycoris        http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Lycoris        scroll to L. squamigera.     I hope you will look at flower form, petal shape, stamen and pollen color, etc.  Amaryllis is quite a variable species and ‘some gardeners’ think that a different flower color indicates a different species. That is a true experience.     Lycoris is a highly variable genus, but L. squamigera is quite uniform and much less variable than A. belladonna.     I urge any one who is unsure of the identity of their plants to compare flowers and form to the excellent pix on the bps wiki.        We should all know the difference between these two distinct species.     Best    Jim W.     On Aug 2, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Nathan Lange wrote: > > Hi Jonathan, > > Absolutely! Could you please send one or more of the pictures and the specific location to my email address. > > Amaryllis belladonna are in full flower right now in Sebastopol so I have some skepticism. > > Nathan > > > At 08:56 AM 8/2/2014, you wrote: >> Before this topic fades away, I wanted to share back with interested PBS >> subscribers that I checked with my sister, who lives in Sebastopol, >> California (the namesake of the one that used to be in Ukraine) about >> whether or not she has seen Lycoris squamigera blooming there.  She and I >> have previously communicated about Amaryllis belladonna and how I wished I >> could grow it in Connecticut.  She states that Lycoris squamigera does >> bloom there, and that its blooming signals the end of summer locally (kind >> of like goldenrod (Solidago spp) elsewhere in North America.  She sent me a >> few pictures of it that she snapped with her mobile phone that are in bloom >> now as documentation.  Now's the time, if anyone wants to make the trip to >> see them there. >> >> Jonathan Knisely >> New Haven, CT 06511 >> USDA 6a >> >> _________ >> >> Shawn, >> >> That's worth checking into. Sebastopol may have one of the highest >> concentrations of Amaryllis belladonna in Sonoma County but I have >> yet to see any Lycoris squamigera flowering there. >> >> Nathan >> >> >> At 07:26 AM 7/31/2014, you wrote: >> >> I wonder if the Robinetts grew Lycoris squamigera up in Sebastopol, >> >> CA, where it does dip into the teens Fahrenheit.  I imagine one >> >> could see it and Amaryllis belladonna side-by-side there. >> >> >> Shawn Pollard >> >> Yuma, AZ >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone    816-746-1949 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Sat, 02 Aug 2014 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Alberto Subject: Lycoris squamigera & Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 19:41:31 +0000 Both, in foliage, could never be mistaken. Even the bulbs are different, Belladonna having the many bulb tunics with silky threads typical of South African amaryllids. Squamigera, with the plain thin shell narcissus like tunics. From leo@possi.org Sat, 02 Aug 2014 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <28e86240ec8266ba33692158263a9f45.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Lycoris squamigera vs Amaryllis beladonna Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 14:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Jim Waddick wrote > I urge you to go to the PBS wiki and study the > numerous photos of both species and as you get > familiar with each you can easily tell which is which. > > Amaryllis http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Amaryllis > > Lycoris http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Lycoris > scroll to L. squamigera. It is easy for me to tell the two apart. Amaryllis here is expensive, sold in good nurseries, grows leaves reliably year after year, and blooms about once every 6-7 years if the gardener is lucky. Lycoris squamigera is very expensive, not sold here, grows leaves perhaps once or not at all, never blooms and disappears rapidly. I went to the two referenced Wiki pages to look. The photos are beautiful. There is nothing in the text on either page explaining the characteristics shown so well in the photos. This is common on our Wiki. I sometimes teach budding professionals things that are obvious to those in the know, but not obvious to reasonably intelligent people who don't know what to notice. I find much of our Wiki is written from the point of somebody who understands a fair amount of botany. Many of the general public do not, and will not notice differences that are obvious to some of us. It is very difficult to imagine oneself at the computer desk of a person with little to no knowledge of botany, but that would be a good exercize for those writing for the Wiki. For example, though I essentially have no experience whatsoever with Lycoris squamigera, and I am relying on the people who posted photos on our Wiki to have identified them properly, I would write that the differences are: Amaryllis beladonna has six medium pink (rarely, white) petals evenly spaced around the tube so there are no gaps between petals. It has a long, white or pale pink central pistil that bends down out of the throat of the flower, then curves upward towards the tip. It has six stamens that spread somewhat far from the central pistil, each with a large anther bearing dark yellow pollen. The stamens are noticeably shorter than the pistil. Lycoris squamigera has six light pink (sometimes dark pink to white) petals spaced unevenly, with a noticable gap at the bottom of the flower, so it looks like a seventh or even eight petal is missing (though it is not.) It has a long, dark pink pistil that bends down out of the throat of the flower, then curves upwards towards the tip. The six anthers tend to cluster closer to the pistil than those of Amaryllis beladonna. It might be good to have verbiage to this effect on the Wiki, but I don't believe I know enough to be the person to write it. It would also be good to have a mention on both pages that the plants have a strong resemblance to each other, but can be told apart when one knows what to look at. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From petersirises@gmail.com Sat, 02 Aug 2014 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: Lycoris squamigera vs Amaryllis beladonna Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 22:55:04 +0100 I agree totally with Leo, however I use the wiki far more than I contribute to it and am very glad of the enormous amount of information already put there by so many generous people, - so I am really not keen to be critical. 'But'... I would love to see the phrase "Flowers (blooms) in September..." as "Flowers (blooms) in "September in the southern hemisphere..." or else "Flowers (blooms) in Spring.." because a person living in California, writing on a South African genus, invites ambiguity if the month rather than the season is specified! Peter (UK) On 2 August 2014 22:09, Leo A. Martin wrote: > Jim Waddick wrote > > > I urge you to go to the PBS wiki and study the > > numerous photos of both species and as you get > > familiar with each you can easily tell which is which. > > It is easy for me to tell the two apart. Amaryllis here is expensive, sold > in good > nurseries, grows leaves reliably year after year, and blooms about once > every 6-7 years > if the gardener is lucky. Lycoris squamigera is very expensive, not sold > here, grows > leaves perhaps once or not at all, never blooms and disappears rapidly. > > I went to the two referenced Wiki pages to look. The photos are beautiful. > There is > nothing in the text on either page explaining the characteristics shown so > well in the > photos. This is common on our Wiki. > > I sometimes teach budding professionals things that are obvious to those > in the know, > but not obvious to reasonably intelligent people who don't know what to > notice. I find > much of our Wiki is written from the point of somebody who understands a > fair amount of > botany. Many of the general public do not, and will not notice differences > that are > obvious to some of us. It is very difficult to imagine oneself at the > computer desk of a > person with little to no knowledge of botany, but that would be a good > exercize for > those writing for the Wiki. > > For example, though I essentially have no experience whatsoever with > Lycoris squamigera, > and I am relying on the people who posted photos on our Wiki to have > identified them > properly, I would write that the differences are: > > > > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > > From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Sat, 02 Aug 2014 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1407017705.15687.YahooMailNeo@web121301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Lycoris squamigera vs Amaryllis beladonna Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 15:15:05 -0700 Peter has made a good point, but the information must include both the month and the hemisphere, simply because each season occurs twice per year, once in the northern hemisphere and then six months later in the southern hemisphere.  This is similar to a problem I'm encountering with a book I'm reading now: the book is about Greece, and the author sometimes spells words with the traditional romanized Latin spellings, sometimes with spellings based on her own version of Greek romanized for English speaking readers. Her own version is usually done for modern Greek words, and it makes sense to do this because it more nearly approximates the sound of modern Greek.  All's well for this reader as long as he knows whether ancient or modern Greek is intended. But sometimes I don't recognize the words, and it is necessary to convert them (respell them) to the traditional spellings in order to trace them in the lexicon. And until I know which system of spelling applies, it's hard to know how to pronounce the unfamiliar words.  Jim McKenney Montgomery County et al.  On Saturday, August 2, 2014 5:56 PM, Peter Taggart wrote: I agree totally with Leo, however I use the wiki far more than I contribute to it and am very glad of the enormous amount of information already put there by so many generous people, - so I am really not keen to be critical. 'But'... I would love to see the phrase "Flowers (blooms) in September..." as "Flowers (blooms) in "September in the southern hemisphere..." or else "Flowers (blooms) in Spring.." because a person living in California, writing on a South African genus, invites ambiguity if the month rather than the season is specified! Peter (UK) On 2 August 2014 22:09, Leo A. Martin wrote: > Jim Waddick wrote > > > I urge you to go to the PBS wiki and study the > > numerous photos of both species and as you get > > familiar with each you can easily tell which is which. > > It is easy for me to tell the two apart. Amaryllis here is expensive, sold > in good > nurseries, grows leaves reliably year after year, and blooms about once > every 6-7 years > if the gardener is lucky. Lycoris squamigera is very expensive, not sold > here, grows > leaves perhaps once or not at all, never blooms and disappears rapidly. > > I went to the two referenced Wiki pages to look. The photos are beautiful. > There is > nothing in the text on either page explaining the characteristics shown so > well in the > photos. This is common on our Wiki. > > I sometimes teach budding professionals things that are obvious to those > in the know, > but not obvious to reasonably intelligent people who don't know what to > notice. I find > much of our Wiki is written from the point of somebody who understands a > fair amount of > botany. Many of the general public do not, and will not notice differences > that are > obvious to some of us. It is very difficult to imagine oneself at the > computer desk of a > person with little to no knowledge of botany, but that would be a good > exercize for > those writing for the Wiki. > > For example, though I essentially have no experience whatsoever with > Lycoris squamigera, > and I am relying on the people who posted photos on our Wiki to have > identified them > properly, I would write that the differences are: > > > > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > > From msittner@mcn.org Sat, 02 Aug 2014 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <20140802231937.56BAD219FB@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Contributing to the Wiki Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 15:41:55 -0700 I would like to point out that in 2003 when we first learned that we could have a wiki, the thought was that this was a place for people to upload photos of the plants they were growing so others could see them. It was the time of slow Internet connections (still happening in rural parts of the US), not much storage space on web sites or people's computers, and concerns about viruses that came with attachments. As the one setting the wiki up with help from Mark McDonough and then Mark Wilcox I decided to organize it in a way that would allow people to find the photos again at a later date. I urged people to write something about their photos as well. Some people wrote more than others. None of us were paid for the time spent adding to the wiki. Some genera were well described as there were wiki contributors knowledgeable about them or willing to learn enough to add information. We had no idea at the time how the wiki would evolve. Along the way new contributors like Susan Hayek,Jay Yourch, Mike Mace, Nhu Nguyen and Gastil have added a lot of information about their favorites as well as how to grow bulbs, the media to use, etc. Even though he wasn't an administrator Angelo has added a lot of great photos of bulbs he saw or grew in Italy, Mary Gerritsen spent hours on Calochortus, and Oron Peri has added a lot of Eastern European bulbs that weren't represented on the wiki. Giorgio Pozzi gave hours of his time to set up the Arisaema pages. Alessandro Marinello added lots of photos of things we didn't have on the wiki and in the beginning Bill Dijk provided us with both photos and information. When Jane McGary added to the wiki, she provided useful text. And David Pilling has made enormous contributions because of his developer skills and great ideas. He's added videos, photos of storage organs, and gotten Lilium experts to contribute an amazing amount of information about that genus. You can't expect the administrators to have all knowledge about everything that is on the wiki. When I've added photos for others when they didn't contribute information for me to add I had to look it up and as we all know that can be dangerous although I used sources I felt were reliable. All of that took time. In adding to the wiki we always debated whether it was better to have a lot of information about just a few things or a little information about a lot of things. Over the years a huge amount of time (BD- Before David since he has figured out ways to save people working on the wiki many hours) was spent adding thumbnails a page at a time, changing the url of every photo one at a time when the website url changed, etc. It took me a whole year to make the corrections and changes when we had to change the wiki software even with help. There just hasn't been time to go back and add information to previous pages although a number of us have done it when we were adding other information to those pages. If you look at the wiki contributors page it looks like a huge number of people are involved in the process since we always have added the names of people who provided even one photo or information. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Contributors The reality is that only a few have done most of the work. Recently David wrote the group asking for volunteers to add to the wiki. In looking over the recent changes pages I haven't seen many new names so I expect he didn't get a lot of replies. This list generates an incredible amount of really useful information that could be added to the wiki. What it doesn't have are a lot of people to add it. Editing the wiki to add information like the information suggested by Leo and Peter wouldn't be hard. You just need to know the password which David or one of the other wiki administrators can provide (listed on the contact form on the website) and then you click on edit and add the text, preview how it looks, and save. The administrators look over the changes so you don't even have to worry about making a mistake. Leo has added to the wiki and knows how to do it so could add the text he suggested. Alberto Castillo frequently gives good information and it usually is brief. It would be really easy for anyone who has the time and is willing to add for instance his description of the difference between the bulbs of Amaryllis belladonna and Lycoris squamigera. It would be wonderful if some of you who have really useful ideas about how to improve the wiki would volunteer the time to implement them. I'm sure everyone would appreciate it. Mary Sue From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Sat, 02 Aug 2014 18:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <3CF4BB00-458E-44BA-844C-2136C9325F8C@kc.rr.com> From: James Waddick Subject: Lycoris squamigera vs Amaryllis beladonna Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 19:47:12 -0500 Leo and all, You make some good points. I have searched for a good dichotomous key to the genera of the Family Amaryllidaceae and there just isn’t any ’Key Character’ or two or three that I can point to. One of the few keys is in ‘The European Garden Flora ‘ Vol 1 and it is much too vague. Here’s some comparisons between the single variable Amaryllis belladonna and the uniform Lycoris squamigera, but no other species in the genus. I am just listing differences Amaryllis belladonna Mediterranean Climate Mild Winter, Dry summer Bulbs bake prior to bloom Flowers regular and symmetric Range of colors, pink shades, white etc. Native to S. Africa Generally fertile, Seed produced Lycoris squamigera Continetal Climate Cold Winter, Moderate Summer Bulbs need summer moisture prior to bloom Flowers somewhat irregular Flowers uniformly pink with hint of blue in tips and yellow throat Native to China Generally sterile, NO seeds As others have said, do not believe pictures on packages of bulbs in garden centers, web sites (except PBS wiki) or every gardener. I believe one problem is that people grow up with common names such as Naked Ladies or Surprise Lilies which can be applied to both species. And I again pass my doubt that you can grow both species in the same garden. Disclaimer. After years of trying I was successful once in getting Amaryllis belladonna to bloom in my Kansas City garden. Potted bulbs were given winter greenhouse protection above freezing and baked all summer without moisture. They bloomed once. Very pretty and wish I could grow them easily. I passed them on to others in an appropriate climate. Hope this helps. Jim W. On Aug 2, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Leo A. Martin wrote: > Jim Waddick wrote > >> I urge you to go to the PBS wiki and study the >> numerous photos of both species and as you get >> familiar with each you can easily tell which is which. >> >> Amaryllis http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Amaryllis >> >> Lycoris http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Lycoris >> scroll to L. squamigera. > > It is easy for me to tell the two apart. Amaryllis here is expensive, sold in good > nurseries, grows leaves reliably year after year, and blooms about once every 6-7 years > if the gardener is lucky. Lycoris squamigera is very expensive, not sold here, grows > leaves perhaps once or not at all, never blooms and disappears rapidly. > > I went to the two referenced Wiki pages to look. The photos are beautiful. There is > nothing in the text on either page explaining the characteristics shown so well in the > photos. This is common on our Wiki. > > I sometimes teach budding professionals things that are obvious to those in the know, > but not obvious to reasonably intelligent people who don't know what to notice. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Sun, 03 Aug 2014 06:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1407068908.7810.YahooMailNeo@web121305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: conversation grouping Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 05:28:28 -0700 Kipp, thanks for the explanation of conversation grouping.  With your explanation in mind, I was able to change my settings so that my email is no longer grouped this way.  Jim McKenney From jpsknisely@gmail.com Sun, 03 Aug 2014 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jonathan Knisely Subject: Lycoris squamigera and Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 09:31:49 -0400 I apologize to everyone on PBS for having prematurely, and possibly falsely raising hopes of Sebastopol, CA harboring both of these geophytes as blooming naturalized colonies. I forwarded the photographs that my sister had sent me to Jim Waddick & Jim McKenney, and there was no doubt in their mind that my sister had mis-identified A. belladonna as L. squamigera. As Jim Waddick indicated "it happens". It's important to set the record straight, and I've asked my sister to look for blue-tipped petals in Sebastopol, but until we have better evidence that there are L. squamigera there, my report should be regarded as erroneous. Thank you, Jims, Jonathan Knisely New Haven, CT USA USDA 6a Subject: [pbs] Lycoris squamigera & Amaryllis belladonna Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Before this topic fades away, I wanted to share back with interested PBS subscribers that I checked with my sister, who lives in Sebastopol, California (the namesake of the one that used to be in Ukraine) about whether or not she has seen Lycoris squamigera blooming there. She and I have previously communicated about Amaryllis belladonna and how I wished I could grow it in Connecticut. She states that Lycoris squamigera does bloom there, and that its blooming signals the end of summer locally (kind of like goldenrod (Solidago spp) elsewhere in North America. She sent me a few pictures of it that she snapped with her mobile phone that are in bloom now as documentation. Now's the time, if anyone wants to make the trip to see them there. Jonathan Knisely New Haven, CT 06511 USDA 6a From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Sun, 03 Aug 2014 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1407074652.97839.YahooMailNeo@web121301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Lycoris squamigera and Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 07:04:12 -0700 Thanks for pursuing this, Jonathan. Now we can put this one to rest (unless a genuine Lycoris squamigera does pop up somewhere in Sebastopol). Don't feel bad about the misidentification: I've launched a few whoppers myself over the years. The important thing is to keep it out in the open and get it resolved. And who knows, by having discussions such as this now and then, we might even persuade the publishers of those misleading catalogs to change their image.  Also, I apologize to anyone who took offense at the little attempt at humor in one of my recent posts on this topic: it was done in jest, with the feeling that no one reading this list would have any reason to feel that they were the target of my gibe. Jim McKenney From leo@possi.org Sun, 03 Aug 2014 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Lycoris squamigera vs Amaryllis beladonna Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 10:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Alberto writes of Amaryllis and Lycoris squamigera > Both, in foliage, could never be mistaken. I will address the issue by editing the Wiki. However, I don't remember the leaves of Lycoris squamigera, and neither species has leaf photos on our Wiki. Would you please provide a description of the leaf differences that I may post? Thank you, Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From brad@alpinepfl.com Sun, 03 Aug 2014 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <000001cfaf45$676dff60$3649fe20$@alpinepfl.com> From: "Brad King" Subject: Lycoris squamigera & Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 14:04:43 -0400 Hi All, I have been following this entire string with great interest and have found it very informative. But, as string continues it not only creates more interest but more questions in my mind. More on the cultural side rather than the taxonomy side. I am sending this from Ontario, Canada. Zone 5b. I tried something new this spring. (at least for me) I planted four Amaryllis Belladonna bulbs in a large pot in May. (I was beginning to wonder what I really bought but, thanks to Alberto's description of the bulbs, I know I have A. Belladonna.) The intent is to bring the pot into my cold storage once fall comes. By cold, it will average +/- 40 F and may slip to 32 F a couple of times. (This has worked well for me with Oxalis sp.) I am anxiously waiting for something (anything) to emerge from this pot. Am I on the right track? On the other side, I had never considered Lycoris sp. for planting directly in the garden. Has anyone ever planted these in the garden in Zone 5 or 6? With any success? What species? Thanks, Brad. -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Alberto Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 3:42 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Lycoris squamigera & Amaryllis belladonna Both, in foliage, could never be mistaken. Even the bulbs are different, Belladonna having the many bulb tunics with silky threads typical of South African amaryllids. Squamigera, with the plain thin shell narcissus like tunics. From plantsman@comcast.net Sun, 03 Aug 2014 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <20140803182535.9E8F021F94@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Nathan Lange Subject: Lycoris squamigera and Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2014 11:21:49 -0700 I wouldn't worry about it: http://eol.org/pages/1003205/hierarchy_entries/54402633/overview This is one of many seemingly credible web sites with misidentified photos of flowering Amaryllis plants. Nathan At 06:31 AM 8/3/2014, you wrote: >I apologize to everyone on PBS for having prematurely, and possibly falsely >raising hopes of Sebastopol, CA harboring both of these geophytes as >blooming naturalized colonies. From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Sun, 03 Aug 2014 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Alberto Subject: Lycoris squamigera vs Amaryllis beladonna Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 18:57:39 +0000 Leaves of squamigera are a somewhat greyish green. flat, strap shaped, matt. Tips end rounded. Leaves of belladonna are a shining fresh green and in cross section they resemble a V. Tips end quite pointed. From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Alberto Subject: Lycoris squamigera and Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 19:22:11 +0000 The top one is Lycoris squamigera, the other two of Amaryllis belladonna. > http://eol.org/pages/1003205/hierarchy_entries/54402633/overview > This is one of many seemingly credible web sites with misidentified > photos of flowering Amaryllis plants. From leo@possi.org Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Lycoris squamigera & Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 12:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Brad wrote > ...Ontario, Canada. Zone 5b..... I planted four Amaryllis > belladonna bulbs in a large pot in May..... The intent is to > bring the pot into my cold storage once fall comes. By cold, > it will average +/- 40 F and may slip to 32 F a couple of > times. (This has worked well for me with Oxalis sp.) > I am anxiously waiting for something (anything) to emerge > from this pot. Am I on the right track? Do you mean you are going to grow them in cold storage under supplemental lighting? Or are you going to try and store them cool all winter and grow them in the spring? This plant is an obligate winter-grower that goes dormant with hot and dry weather, blooms in late summer, makes leaves in the fall as temperatures cool down, is in leaf throughout its expected cool, mild and rainy (not snowy) winter, and goes dormant again when it gets hot in the spring. It will not be dormant in cold storage - it will try and grow, no matter what you do. It considers 40F to be an ideal growing temperature. It is dormant during hot and dry weather. It is from a Mediterranean climate, and people in Continental climates don't seem to be able to grow it at all, with the exception perhaps of Jim Waddick. > ...I had never considered Lycoris sp. for planting directly > in the garden. Has anyone ever planted these in the garden in > Zone 5 or 6? L. squamigera is supposed to be the hardiest and it is supposed to grow to zone 5a. It is from a typical Continental climate with moderate humid rainy summers and cold winters. Of note, Jim Waddick has produced a document available on our Wiki that covers cold-hardiness of various Lycoris species. It sounds as though Brad should try some. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Lycoris/Garden_Lycoris_and_More.pdf Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From leo@possi.org Sun, 03 Aug 2014 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <67b0159bf011a56dae447761a3c92422.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: New Wiki page: Amaryllis versus Lycoris Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 14:25:23 -0700 (PDT) I have posted a page showing the differences between Amaryllis belladonna and Lycoris squamigera. It is drawn from information provided by Alberto Castillo and Jim Waddick, as well as my observations of photos on our Wiki. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/AmaryllisVsLycoris Nhu's photo of Amaryllis, which I used, is beautiful, but it would be nice to have a full-frontal photo of a single Amaryllis flower, similar to Jay Yourch's photo of the Lycoris. Does anybody have such an image? Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From barkingdogwoods@gmail.com Sun, 03 Aug 2014 16:17:08 -0700 Message-Id: <00cf01cfaf6b$7d365d30$77a31790$@com> From: "Lin" Subject: Lycoris squamigera vs Amaryllis beladonna Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 17:37:19 -0500 Here is a link to a Facebook album of a few photos of lycoris squamigera leaves this past winter in east Texas: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10204789078152668.1073741838.14094 54303&type=1&l=8d6a4104b7 You should be able to view this album even if you're not on Facebook. The one in the snow was taken 3/3/14, and the rest were taking 2/24/24. Lin Grado East Texas -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Leo A. Martin Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 12:46 PM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Re: [pbs] Lycoris squamigera vs Amaryllis beladonna Alberto writes of Amaryllis and Lycoris squamigera > Both, in foliage, could never be mistaken. I will address the issue by editing the Wiki. However, I don't remember the leaves of Lycoris squamigera, and neither species has leaf photos on our Wiki. Would you please provide a description of the leaf differences that I may post? Thank you, Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Sun, 03 Aug 2014 16:17:08 -0700 Message-Id: <1407105693.55776.YahooMailNeo@web121301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Lycoris squamigera vs Amaryllis beladonna Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 15:41:33 -0700 To add to what Alberto has said, here gardeners often compare the foliage of Lycoris squamigera to that of a very vigorous daffodil. Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 for anyone wondering where "here" is.  From plantsman@comcast.net Sun, 03 Aug 2014 16:17:08 -0700 Message-Id: <20140803225212.14F70220F2@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Nathan Lange Subject: New Wiki page: Amaryllis versus Lycoris Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2014 15:51:58 -0700 Looks good. One of the easiest ways to tell the flowers apart is by looking at their fully dehisced anthers (pollen shedding). Those of Lycoris squamigera remain nearly straight or slightly curved, but those of Amaryllis bend about 180 degrees (some times more). Nathan At 02:25 PM 8/3/2014, you wrote: >I have posted a page showing the differences between Amaryllis >belladonna and Lycoris >squamigera. From brad@alpinepfl.com Mon, 04 Aug 2014 05:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <000601cfafdb$d0c761e0$725625a0$@alpinepfl.com> From: "Brad King" Subject: Lycoris squamigera & Amaryllis belladonna Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 08:01:24 -0400 Leo, Thanks for your response. My original thought was to continue to grow the pot outside until about the middle of Oct and then bring it into cold storage for the winter. It appears that if it blooms it will be much later than I originally thought. It's the 4th of Aug and no sign of anything yet. I will probably bring it in a little earlier and continue to grow it indoors throughout the winter and see what happens. Also, thanks for pointing me to Jim Waddick's article on Lycoris sp. Jim, this is a great reference article. I will definitely be looking to source some bulbs. Thanks, Brad. -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Leo A. Martin Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 3:58 PM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Re: [pbs] Lycoris squamigera & Amaryllis belladonna Brad wrote > ...Ontario, Canada. Zone 5b..... I planted four Amaryllis belladonna > bulbs in a large pot in May..... The intent is to bring the pot into > my cold storage once fall comes. By cold, it will average +/- 40 F and > may slip to 32 F a couple of times. (This has worked well for me with > Oxalis sp.) I am anxiously waiting for something (anything) to emerge > from this pot. Am I on the right track? Do you mean you are going to grow them in cold storage under supplemental lighting? Or are you going to try and store them cool all winter and grow them in the spring? This plant is an obligate winter-grower that goes dormant with hot and dry weather, blooms in late summer, makes leaves in the fall as temperatures cool down, is in leaf throughout its expected cool, mild and rainy (not snowy) winter, and goes dormant again when it gets hot in the spring. It will not be dormant in cold storage - it will try and grow, no matter what you do. It considers 40F to be an ideal growing temperature. It is dormant during hot and dry weather. It is from a Mediterranean climate, and people in Continental climates don't seem to be able to grow it at all, with the exception perhaps of Jim Waddick. > ...I had never considered Lycoris sp. for planting directly in the > garden. Has anyone ever planted these in the garden in Zone 5 or 6? L. squamigera is supposed to be the hardiest and it is supposed to grow to zone 5a. It is from a typical Continental climate with moderate humid rainy summers and cold winters. Of note, Jim Waddick has produced a document available on our Wiki that covers cold-hardiness of various Lycoris species. It sounds as though Brad should try some. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Lycoris/Garden_Lycoris_and_More. pdf Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From ds429@frontier.com Mon, 04 Aug 2014 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <789439.35225.bm@smtp212.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 366 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 12:50:30 +0000 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at mailto:ds429@frontier.com Include "BX 366" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I do not already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/share of seeds or $3 - $5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added. Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 55 W. High St. Salem, WV 26426 USA Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Roy Herold: ALL BULBS, some in very small supply 1. Albuca acuminata Plettenberg Bay small offsets 2. Albuca sp. Silverhill 14088, small seedlings 3. Ambrosina bassii 4. Daubenya marginata Fransplaas MX21, small seedlings 5. Daubenya stylosa MX20, small seedlings 6. Lachenalia pusilla ex Hannon, small seedlings ------- The following Massonias are from my 2011 seed collections in South Africa. These are one to two years old seedlings, some very small, and in very limited quantities. 7. Massonia depressa Carolusberg Mine M49 8. Massonia depressa Kamieskroon Church M57 9. Massonia depressa large Modderfontein M51 10. Massonia depressa near Kamieskroon Hotel M56 11. Massonia depressa Nieuwoudtville waterfall, reddest M48 12. Massonia depressa small Modderfontein M53 13. Massonia pygmaea 5km S Elands Bay M59 14. Massonia pygmaea Modderfontein renosterveld M54 15. Massonia pygmaea Modderfontein wet pasture M55 ------- These Massonias are also small seedlings. 16. Massonia echinata Napier ex McMaster 17. Massonia hirsuta MG2712 18. Massonia jasminiflora Modder River 19. Massonia jasminiflora Smithfield 20. Massonia pustulata very pustulate parents M41 ex Cumbleton 21. Oxalis bowiei 22. Oxalis luteola MV5567 23. Oxalis melanosticta 'Ken Aslet' 24. Oxalis obtusa 'Heirloom Pink', best bloomer 25. Oxalis palmifrons 26. Oxalis "perdicaria var malacoides" ex BX183-13 27. Oxalis "polyphylla heptaphylla" 28. Oxalis sp. Uli69 29. Oxalis sp. Sutherland ex Hannon, like Ken Aslet with larger flowers ------- Polyxenas are small seedlings unless noted. [NOTE: most Polyxenas are currently considered to be Lachenalias] 30. Polyxena ensifolia, blooming size 31. Polyxena longituba 32. Polyxena maughanii Silverhill 33. Polyxena odorata (Lachenalia ensifolia) 34. Polyxena sp. Silverhill 4748 Thank you, Roy !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From leo@possi.org Mon, 04 Aug 2014 10:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <5a06e858f51ba78f16f218434ac21e24.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Calostemma purpureum Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 09:47:17 -0700 (PDT) For some 6-7 years I let my two Calostemma purpureum in containers dry completely as temperatures rose in spring, and kept the dry containers in my house over the summer. They grew reliably each winter but did not bloom. The containers are glazed ceramic, in the shape of somewhat narrow Chinese ginger jars, and hold about 2 gallons / 7 liters of potting mix Last fall I brought up the issue of bloomless Calostemma in this forum. Several people wrote that the plant does fine with water all summer, and Dylan Hannon mentioned a bed of them irrigated all summer in Pasadena, one of the warmer parts of Los Angeles. Pat Toolan wrote that in habitat the bulbs are often 18 inches / 46cm deep, where they would remain cool all summer and summer rains would not penetrate. This spring I moved my plants to a spot where they get bright shade with some very late afternoon sun, and watered regularly all summer. They remained in leaf and even made a few new leaves. One of the plants just yesterday began pushing two inflorescences. The Wiki says plants should be allowed to dry after leaves yellow. Perhaps those in very warm-summer climates, or those growing their plants in containers, should experiment with watering all summer, and deeper containers. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From ds429@frontier.com Mon, 04 Aug 2014 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <141725.54820.bm@smtp222.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Subject: BX 366 CLOSED Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 18:33:10 +0000 Many large orders ate up the small supplies quickly. Packages should go out in a week or so. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX Sent from Windows Mail From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Mon, 04 Aug 2014 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1407180004.71310.YahooMailNeo@web126204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Zeki Ikiz via pbs Subject: BX 366 CLOSED Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 12:20:04 -0700 Is it ended? what a quickly end?  :( I was trying to learn if they can grow in Mediterranean climate.. On Monday, August 4, 2014 9:45 PM, "ds429@frontier.com" wrote: Many large orders ate up the small supplies quickly. Packages should go out in a week or so. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX Sent from Windows Mail From ramptons1@bigpond.com Wed, 06 Aug 2014 01:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: John Quinn Subject: Contributing to the Wiki Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 17:45:44 +1000 What I would like to know is how to access all the information on the Wiki. I recently had Windows Live Mail added to my laptop but it made such a mess of everything I had it removed. The one good thing about it was all the bulb information articles downloaded on to my laptop and I was enjoying reading them. Now they have all disappeared and I would like this facility back - but how? -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Mary Sue Ittner Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2014 8:42 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] Contributing to the Wiki I would like to point out that in 2003 when we first learned that we could have a wiki, the thought was that this was a place for people to upload photos of the plants they were growing so others could see them. It was the time of slow Internet connections (still happening in rural parts of the US), not much storage space on web sites or people's computers, and concerns about viruses that came with attachments. As the one setting the wiki up with help from Mark McDonough and then Mark Wilcox I decided to organize it in a way that would allow people to find the photos again at a later date. I urged people to write something about their photos as well. Some people wrote more than others. None of us were paid for the time spent adding to the wiki. Some genera were well described as there were wiki contributors knowledgeable about them or willing to learn enough to add information. We had no idea at the time how the wiki would evolve. Along the way new contributors like Susan Hayek,Jay Yourch, Mike Mace, Nhu Nguyen and Gastil have added a lot of information about their favorites as well as how to grow bulbs, the media to use, etc. Even though he wasn't an administrator Angelo has added a lot of great photos of bulbs he saw or grew in Italy, Mary Gerritsen spent hours on Calochortus, and Oron Peri has added a lot of Eastern European bulbs that weren't represented on the wiki. Giorgio Pozzi gave hours of his time to set up the Arisaema pages. Alessandro Marinello added lots of photos of things we didn't have on the wiki and in the beginning Bill Dijk provided us with both photos and information. When Jane McGary added to the wiki, she provided useful text. And David Pilling has made enormous contributions because of his developer skills and great ideas. He's added videos, photos of storage organs, and gotten Lilium experts to contribute an amazing amount of information about that genus. You can't expect the administrators to have all knowledge about everything that is on the wiki. When I've added photos for others when they didn't contribute information for me to add I had to look it up and as we all know that can be dangerous although I used sources I felt were reliable. All of that took time. In adding to the wiki we always debated whether it was better to have a lot of information about just a few things or a little information about a lot of things. Over the years a huge amount of time (BD- Before David since he has figured out ways to save people working on the wiki many hours) was spent adding thumbnails a page at a time, changing the url of every photo one at a time when the website url changed, etc. It took me a whole year to make the corrections and changes when we had to change the wiki software even with help. There just hasn't been time to go back and add information to previous pages although a number of us have done it when we were adding other information to those pages. If you look at the wiki contributors page it looks like a huge number of people are involved in the process since we always have added the names of people who provided even one photo or information. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Contributors The reality is that only a few have done most of the work. Recently David wrote the group asking for volunteers to add to the wiki. In looking over the recent changes pages I haven't seen many new names so I expect he didn't get a lot of replies. This list generates an incredible amount of really useful information that could be added to the wiki. What it doesn't have are a lot of people to add it. Editing the wiki to add information like the information suggested by Leo and Peter wouldn't be hard. You just need to know the password which David or one of the other wiki administrators can provide (listed on the contact form on the website) and then you click on edit and add the text, preview how it looks, and save. The administrators look over the changes so you don't even have to worry about making a mistake. Leo has added to the wiki and knows how to do it so could add the text he suggested. Alberto Castillo frequently gives good information and it usually is brief. It would be really easy for anyone who has the time and is willing to add for instance his description of the difference between the bulbs of Amaryllis belladonna and Lycoris squamigera. It would be wonderful if some of you who have really useful ideas about how to improve the wiki would volunteer the time to implement them. I'm sure everyone would appreciate it. Mary Sue --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From barkingdogwoods@gmail.com Wed, 06 Aug 2014 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <054901cfb176$adf9f2d0$09edd870$@com> From: "Lin" Subject: photos of Lycoris squamigera foliage Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 08:02:28 -0500 I recently sent a link to photos of my L. squamigera foliage in spring, but it was a link to a Facebook album. I've since loaded them to Photobucket, so perhaps folks would see/comment. http://s184.photobucket.com/user/lingrado/slideshow/Lycoris The photos are not great, as they were in the background of the photos I was taking of my jonquils and daffs, but I think you can see the form quite well - wide leaves, somewhat bluish in tone, with rounded tips. Lin Grado East Texas From johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1XF4Qm-10ineC0@fwd11.t-online.de> From: " Johannes-Ulrich Urban" Subject: Amaryllis belladonna in pots Date: 06 Aug 2014 16:51 GMT Hello Brad, You live in an even colder climate than I do. Here we are zone 6-7 in northern Germany and we have to be prepared for minus 20°C in winter for many days in a row. Thak kind of frost penetrates deep into the soil although that does not happen every winter. So any winter growing bulb has be be grown under glass, protected from frost but with good light. I do love Amaryllis belladonna, every time I see them in flower.... I want them. I have tried so many times, in pots, in the garden with good protection, in the open ground in the greenhouse.... nothing really worked. I had a few blooms from the bulbs planted in the open soil inside the greenhouse which is kept frost free. But even that was disappointing because I had a big bunch of leaves at a time of the year where space is at a premium under glass and very littel rewards flowerwise to justify the space taken. So... honestly..... I gave up on that bulb. I do not want to discourage you... but there are so many plants that can be grown under one's given condition, why bother with one that will not perform? With me A. belladonna has never flowererd in a pot and it is said that the bulbs do not like to be disturbed, they need one or two years to settle in after transplanting and will not flower until they are established, in a suitable climate that is. What I recommend as a suitable substitute are the hardiest forms of Nerine bowdenii. (Not N. sarniensis!) N. bowdenii var wellsii is considered quite hardy. I have donated seeds to the BX of a particularly hardy form that has even survived outside one of the worst winters we had those last years. But I give it overhead protection with a thick mulch and a cover against winter wet at the base of a south facing wall. N. bowdenii is entirely summer growing but autumn blooming when the leaves die down. The flowers are different from A. belladomma of course, but they are THERE, many of them. Looks great with silver Artemisia and blue Ceratostigma. Ontario should have a thick snow cover that is an excellent insulation. I remember Ellen Hornig talking about her former nursery in New York state, she could grow things outside that I can only dream of, because of her immense and very reliable snow cover. Hope that helps..... Uli From xerantheum@gmail.com Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Amaryllis belladonna in pots Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 12:16:06 -0500 Hi Uli, For me, the reason for growing it is for the enticing fragrance that can't be found in other amaryllids. Sure, some come close but not quite like A. belladonna. I have good success growing it in Berkeley, in US one gallon pots where I planted one mature bulb in each pot (they will eventually split), and they come back and bloom every year. I think the key is that they need to have lots of good water and sunshine (full sun) during leaf growth and not allowed to go completely dry in the summer. Also, they produce flowers 2 years in advance (if I remember correctly) inside the bulbs so any disturbance (such as too cold) and they may abort those flowers and you don't get them for the next 2-3 years. Nhu On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Johannes-Ulrich Urban < johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de> wrote: > but there are so many plants that can be grown under one's given > condition, why bother with one that will not perform? With me A. > belladonna has never flowererd in a pot and it is said that the bulbs do > not like to be disturbed, they need one or two years to settle in after > transplanting and will not flower until they are established, in a > suitable climate that is. > From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Wed, 06 Aug 2014 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1407346429.74345.YahooMailNeo@web121302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Amaryllis belladonna in pots Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:33:49 -0700 Uli, thanks for the encouraging words with regard to the chances of growing Nerine bowdenii here in eastern North America. I got some of the seed you donated to the BX, and the little seedlings are coming along nicely. How long do you think it will take for them to bloom?  Evidently Nerine bowdenii does sometimes survive and bloom here in the greater Washington, D.C. area. Last year a friend sent me a photo of a plant for identification. I think the photo was taken in an abandoned garden. It took me a moment to recognize it because it was growing oddly. But it was Nerine bowdenii, blooming on a very short stem so that the cluster of blooms was down almost at ground level. Something had damaged the tepals, but the pollen color caught my eye, and then I got it.  Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where no Nerine are blooming but other oporanthous bulbs are showing up.  From avbeek1@hotmail.com Wed, 06 Aug 2014 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Aad van Beek Subject: Pamianthe peruviana Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 21:56:18 +0200 I received some seeds from bx. Based on pbs information http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Pamianthe it is self-incompatible, needing different clones to pollinate successfully. On FB I asked the question if there is any variation in the flower for different clones. Peter Taggert replied with http://thebulbmaven.typepad.com/the_bulb_maven/2009/06/pamianthe-peruviana.html were pamianthe is said to be self-compatible. As it can't be both which one is correct. Aad From xerantheum@gmail.com Thu, 07 Aug 2014 08:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Pamianthe peruviana Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 09:19:15 -0500 Hello Aad, The recent post on May, 2014 by several people confirms that P. peruviana is not self-compatible. Diana Chapman confirmed this herself. You can see these message in our List Archives. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2014-May/um40emsc9efg6b7auo488j5t82.html Nhu On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Aad van Beek wrote: > Based on pbs information > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Pamianthe it is > self-incompatible, needing different clones to pollinate successfully. On > FB I asked the question if there is any variation in the flower for > different clones. > Peter Taggert replied with > http://thebulbmaven.typepad.com/the_bulb_maven/2009/06/pamianthe-peruviana.html > were pamianthe is said to be self-compatible. > From ron_redding@hotmail.com Thu, 07 Aug 2014 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Ronald Redding Subject: Pamianthe peruviana and Worsleya selfing Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 08:06:31 +1000 Hi Just thought I would add my experience with both pamianthe and worsleya - I have found them both to be self compatible without any doubt what so ever. All the best Ron From putman@pobox.upenn.edu Thu, 07 Aug 2014 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <53E3FFC4.7040405@pobox.upenn.edu> From: Stephen Putman Subject: Pamianthe peruviana and Worsleya selfing Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:37:56 -0400 Yep, I have selfed Worsleya and there are numerous people out there who may well be growing what by now should be moderately large plants of Worsleya to verify this. I have not tried to do Pamianthe. My experience with Hippeastrum is that with the right timing, and a bit of luck I'm sure, some of the otherwise self incompatible species will set and mature seed. I've been sending some of the results of my experiments there along to the BX. I would like to hear if anyone who got Worsleya seed from me has still got the plants growing. Mine are, but despite that the parent was a winter blooming plant which starts growth with a good soil drenching in autumn, the seedlings only break dormancy in early spring no matter what tricks I try. Steve Putman On 8/7/2014 6:06 PM, Ronald Redding wrote: > Hi > > > > Just thought I would add my experience with both pamianthe and worsleya - I have found them both to be self compatible without any doubt > > > what so ever. > > > > All the best > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From brad@alpinepfl.com Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <001d01cfb2a2$de81ac40$9b8504c0$@alpinepfl.com> From: "Brad King" Subject: Amaryllis belladonna in pots Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 20:51:19 -0400 Hi Uli, Thanks for the info. It's very interesting to hear your experiences. I'll keep a look out for N. Bowdenii. One interesting thing about this hobby is finding a bulb (plant) that excites you and normally does not grow in your part of the world and trying to manipulate an environment to get it to grow and flourish. Sometimes we are rewarded with great plants and blooms and other times.....well..... it's an experience. Still waiting for the A. Belladonna to even emerge. Brad. -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Johannes-Ulrich Urban Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 12:51 PM To: Pacifib Bulb Society messages Subject: [pbs] Amaryllis belladonna in pots Hello Brad, You live in an even colder climate than I do. Here we are zone 6-7 in northern Germany and we have to be prepared for minus 20°C in winter for many days in a row. Thak kind of frost penetrates deep into the soil although that does not happen every winter. So any winter growing bulb has be be grown under glass, protected from frost but with good light. I do love Amaryllis belladonna, every time I see them in flower.... I want them. I have tried so many times, in pots, in the garden with good protection, in the open ground in the greenhouse.... nothing really worked. I had a few blooms from the bulbs planted in the open soil inside the greenhouse which is kept frost free. But even that was disappointing because I had a big bunch of leaves at a time of the year where space is at a premium under glass and very littel rewards flowerwise to justify the space taken. So... honestly..... I gave up on that bulb. I do not want to discourage you... but there are so many plants that can be grown under one's given condition, why bother with one that will not perform? With me A. belladonna has never flowererd in a pot and it is said that the bulbs do not like to be disturbed, they need one or two years to settle in after transplanting and will not flower until they are established, in a suitable climate that is. What I recommend as a suitable substitute are the hardiest forms of Nerine bowdenii. (Not N. sarniensis!) N. bowdenii var wellsii is considered quite hardy. I have donated seeds to the BX of a particularly hardy form that has even survived outside one of the worst winters we had those last years. But I give it overhead protection with a thick mulch and a cover against winter wet at the base of a south facing wall. N. bowdenii is entirely summer growing but autumn blooming when the leaves die down. The flowers are different from A. belladomma of course, but they are THERE, many of them. Looks great with silver Artemisia and blue Ceratostigma. Ontario should have a thick snow cover that is an excellent insulation. I remember Ellen Hornig talking about her former nursery in New York state, she could grow things outside that I can only dream of, because of her immense and very reliable snow cover. Hope that helps..... Uli From brown.mark@wanadoo.fr Fri, 08 Aug 2014 01:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1138590141.2247.1407482635174.JavaMail.www@wwinf1c21> From: Mark BROWN Subject: Amaryllis belladonna in pots Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 09:23:55 +0200 (CEST) I grew the white amaryllis belladonna, which I was told is really a hybrid, in pots for years here. It grew and flowered beautifully. It was kept just frost free in a cold greenhouse for years. Outside all the rest of the time. I never kept it especially dry in summer or at any other time. I fed and repotted it as any other bulb. I lost it as soon as I planted it out... Mark > Message du 08/08/14 02:51 > De : "Brad King" > A : "'Pacific Bulb Society'" > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [pbs] Amaryllis belladonna in pots > > Hi Uli, Thanks for the info. It's very interesting to hear your > experiences. I'll keep a look out for N. Bowdenii. One interesting thing > about this hobby is finding a bulb (plant) that excites you and normally > does not grow in your part of the world and trying to manipulate an > environment to get it to grow and flourish. Sometimes we are rewarded with > great plants and blooms and other times.....well..... it's an experience. > Still waiting for the A. Belladonna to even emerge. Brad. > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of > Johannes-Ulrich Urban > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 12:51 PM > To: Pacifib Bulb Society messages > Subject: [pbs] Amaryllis belladonna in pots > > Hello Brad, > > You live in an even colder climate than I do. Here we are zone 6-7 in > northern Germany and we have to be prepared for minus 20°C in winter for > many days in a row. Thak kind of frost penetrates deep into the soil > although that does not happen every winter. So any winter growing bulb has > be be grown under glass, protected from frost but with good light. > I do love Amaryllis belladonna, every time I see them in flower.... I want > them. I have tried so many times, in pots, in the garden with good > protection, in the open ground in the greenhouse.... nothing really worked. > I had a few blooms from the bulbs planted in the open soil inside the > greenhouse which is kept frost free. But even that was disappointing because > I had a big bunch of leaves at a time of the year where space is at a > premium under glass and very littel rewards flowerwise to justify the space > taken. > So... honestly..... I gave up on that bulb. I do not want to discourage > you... but there are so many plants that can be grown under one's given > condition, why bother with one that will not perform? With me A. > belladonna has never flowererd in a pot and it is said that the bulbs do not > like to be disturbed, they need one or two years to settle in after > transplanting and will not flower until they are established, in a suitable > climate that is. > > What I recommend as a suitable substitute are the hardiest forms of Nerine > bowdenii. (Not N. sarniensis!) N. bowdenii var wellsii is considered quite > hardy. I have donated seeds to the BX of a particularly hardy form that has > even survived outside one of the worst winters we had those last years. But > I give it overhead protection with a thick mulch and a cover against winter > wet at the base of a south facing wall. N. bowdenii is entirely summer > growing but autumn blooming when the leaves die down. The flowers are > different from A. belladomma of course, but they are THERE, many of them. > Looks great with silver Artemisia and blue Ceratostigma. Ontario should have > a thick snow cover that is an excellent insulation. I remember Ellen Hornig > talking about her former nursery in New York state, she could grow things > outside that I can only dream of, because of her immense and very reliable > snow cover. > > Hope that helps..... > > > Uli > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From markemazer@gmail.com Fri, 08 Aug 2014 08:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Mark Mazer Subject: Safranbolu: Saffron town revives piece of ancient spice trail Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 10:28:26 -0400 Possiblly off topic, but interesting nonetheless: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Life/Lubnan/2014/Aug-01/265759-saffron-town-revives-piece-of-ancient-spice-trail.ashx#axzz39oIj6CoN Mark Mazer Hertford, NC USDA 8a From xerantheum@gmail.com Fri, 08 Aug 2014 09:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 10:39:36 -0500 Dear PBS members, Jane Merryman, who has contributed excellently as editor of PBS's valuable print newsletter, "The Bulb Garden," is finishing her tenure at that job. Thank you Jane for many years of dedication to producing an increasingly better newsletter!! To continue our newsletter, the Board is searching for a new editor. The editor's duties include corresponding with potential contributors (often discovered in discussions on this list) and receiving their work, checking the length and style, and sending the text to Jen Hildebrand, who composes the layout with the photos. The newsletter is scheduled to come out four times a year, so the ability to work to a deadline is particularly important. Since all this correspondence is carried out electronically, the editor does not have to live in the US. In addition, one of the PBS Board members who is a professional editor is willing to copyedit the text, so a perfect command of English is not necessary either. If you have a few hours a month to spare for corresponding with fellow enthusiasts and with Jen Hildebrand, along with a lively curiosity about growing bulbs, please write to Jane McGary at this address: Jane McGary < janemcgary@earthlink.net> to avoid unnecessary traffic on the list. Thank you and we hope to hear from many of you! Nhu Nguyen PBS President From Tony@plantdelights.com Fri, 08 Aug 2014 09:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tony Avent Subject: PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 11:43:20 -0400 This poses an interesting question. Since the IBS is now defunct, there is no venue for publishing in depth scientific bulb articles as they did in Herbertia. Any chance PBS would have any interesting in becoming the new venue for such articles by expanding to such a publication? Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina  27603  USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website  http://www.plantdelights.com phone 919 772-4794 fax  919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Nhu Nguyen Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 11:40 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Dear PBS members, Jane Merryman, who has contributed excellently as editor of PBS's valuable print newsletter, "The Bulb Garden," is finishing her tenure at that job. Thank you Jane for many years of dedication to producing an increasingly better newsletter!! To continue our newsletter, the Board is searching for a new editor. The editor's duties include corresponding with potential contributors (often discovered in discussions on this list) and receiving their work, checking the length and style, and sending the text to Jen Hildebrand, who composes the layout with the photos. The newsletter is scheduled to come out four times a year, so the ability to work to a deadline is particularly important. Since all this correspondence is carried out electronically, the editor does not have to live in the US. In addition, one of the PBS Board members who is a professional editor is willing to copyedit the text, so a perfect command of English is not necessary either. If you have a few hours a month to spare for corresponding with fellow enthusiasts and with Jen Hildebrand, along with a lively curiosity about growing bulbs, please write to Jane McGary at this address: Jane McGary < janemcgary@earthlink.net> to avoid unnecessary traffic on the list. Thank you and we hope to hear from many of you! Nhu Nguyen PBS President From makikogotowiderman@me.com Fri, 08 Aug 2014 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1A9E6454-69C0-4BB5-9F9A-447C1BBA23F2@me.com> From: Makiko Goto-Widerman Subject: Safranbolu: Saffron town revives piece of ancient spice trail Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 10:25:32 -0700 Mark Interesting article. Makiko Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:28 AM, Mark Mazer wrote: > > Possiblly off topic, but interesting nonetheless: > > http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Life/Lubnan/2014/Aug-01/265759-saffron-town-revives-piece-of-ancient-spice-trail.ashx#axzz39oIj6CoN > > Mark Mazer > Hertford, NC USDA 8a > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ds429@frontier.com Fri, 08 Aug 2014 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1407519301.33207.YahooMailBasic@web163102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 367 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 10:35:01 -0700 Dear All,       The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at mailto:ds429@frontier.com   Include "BX 367" in the subject line.         Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I do not already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/share of seeds or $3 - $5/share of bulbs)(cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer. Postage and packaging charges are added.     Many of you are subscribers to this pbs elist which is free, but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society which has a yearly membership charge. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS of the Pacific Bulb Society. If you are not a member, consider joining so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website:         If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 55 W. High St. Salem, WV 26426 USA Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds.             I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! ALL BULBS: [Our kind friend Marilyn Pekasky of the UC Berkeley Botanical Gardens voluntarily performs the thankless task of trying to verify the names of items offered on the BX. In the case of the genus Narcissus this has proved nearly impossible. So I have decided to go with the names that were provided by our very knowledgeable donor Roy Herold.] From Roy Herold: Narcissus are mostly blooming size. N numbers are Roy's own. 1. Narcissus albidus occidentalis N028 2  Narcissus assoanus ex Spain N079 3  Narcissus 'Atlas Gold' JCA805Y 4  Narcissus bulbocodium hybrid N051 5  Narcissus bulbocodium N020 6  Narcissus bulbocodium N052 7  Narcissus bulbocodium obesus N024 8  Narcissus bulbocodium obesus N027A 9  Narcissus bulbocodium var. praecox N076 10 Narcissus bulbocodium ssp romieuxii N013 11 Narcissus bulbocodium tenuifolius N022 12 Narcissus 'Joy  Bishop' N068 13 Narcissus 'Julia Jane' N105 ex Odyssey, different from N106 14 Narcissus 'Julia Jane' N106 ex McGary, different from N105 15 Narcissus Mixed Seedlings These date back to a mass sowing in 2004 of seed from moderately controlled crosses of romieuxii, cantabricus, albidus, zaianicus, and similar early blooming sorts of the bulbocodium group. Colors tend to be light yellow through cream to white, and flowers are large, much larger than the little gold colored bulbocodiums of spring. These have been selected three times, and the keepers are choice. Similar to my 2012 PBS offering. 16 Narcissus 'Nylon' 17 Narcissus romieuxii albidus tananicus N002 18 Narcissus 'Treble Chance' JCA805 N066 19 Narcissus zaianicus lutescens x cantabricus N037 20. Oxalis engleriana 21. Lachenalia pallida ex BX 297 From Jim Waddick: 22. "Ledebouria socials cv violacea". Received years ago under this name, but now known as simply L. socialis.  Easy succulent bulb. Plant bulbs with base barely below soil level. Tender in Kansas City . Zone 8? 9?10? From John Wickham: 23. Babiana ‘Blue Gem’ 24. Babiana ‘Brilliant Blue’ 25. Babiana ‘Deep Dreams’ 26. Babiana ‘Mighty Magenta’ 27. Babiana ‘Purple Haze’ 28. Babiana rubrocyanea 29. Babiana stricta Thank you, Roy, Jim, John, and Marilyn !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX . _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From janemcgary@earthlink.net Fri, 08 Aug 2014 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 11:01:47 -0700 Tony Avent wrote >This poses an interesting question. Since the IBS is now defunct, >there is no venue for publishing in depth scientific bulb articles >as they did in Herbertia. Any chance PBS would have any interesting >in becoming the new venue for such articles by expanding to such a >publication? PBS is much too small a society, and its dues too low, to take on the expense of a successor to Herbertia . As a former editor of an academic journal and a plant quarterly (and former subscriber to Herbertia), I understand the time and effort put into them and the expense of printing and mailing them. Moreover, it's now more convenient and far, far cheaper to publish such articles on open-access websites. Such a website would require both an editor and a site manager, and a decision would have to be taken on whether to restrict it to peer-reviewed articles. It would not replace PBS's small quarterly, the Bulb Garden, which is intended mostly for keen gardeners. I'd be happy to see a project like this and could help with editing, but I am not an IT specialist. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From k.preteroti@verizon.net Sun, 10 Aug 2014 00:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <9B061480-162C-478F-92AB-B764D528D790@verizon.net> From: Kenneth Subject: Cyrtanthus obliquus transplanting Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 19:03:07 -0400 Hello my name is Ken Preteroti of Old Bridge, NJ, USA. I live in zone 6b. I am new to this site. I keep cacti and other succulents along with a few bulbs. I have three questions. One, i just received Cyrtanthus obliquus in the mail and potted it up. When should it be watered? Two, i also joined PBS. Will I receive a confirmation email? Three, how do I know if I am a member? Ken Sent from my iPad From markemazer@gmail.com Sat, 09 Aug 2014 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Mark Mazer Subject: PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 10:55:21 -0400 Jane wrote: "Moreover, it's now more convenient and far, far cheaper to publish such articles on open-access websites." Try: http://www.plos.org/open-access/ Mark Mazer Hertford, NC USDA 8a On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Jane McGary wrote: > Tony Avent wrote > >> This poses an interesting question. Since the IBS is now defunct, there >> is no venue for publishing in depth scientific bulb articles as they did in >> Herbertia. Any chance PBS would have any interesting in becoming the new >> venue for such articles by expanding to such a publication? >> > > PBS is much too small a society, and its dues too low, to take on the > expense of a successor to Herbertia . As a former editor of an academic > journal and a plant quarterly (and former subscriber to Herbertia), I > understand the time and effort put into them and the expense of printing > and mailing them. Moreover, it's now more convenient and far, far cheaper > to publish such articles on open-access websites. > > Such a website would require both an editor and a site manager, and a > decision would have to be taken on whether to restrict it to peer-reviewed > articles. It would not replace PBS's small quarterly, the Bulb Garden, > which is intended mostly for keen gardeners. I'd be happy to see a project > like this and could help with editing, but I am not an IT specialist. > > Jane McGary > Portland, Oregon, USA > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From ds429@frontier.com Sat, 09 Aug 2014 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1407605674.85479.YahooMailBasic@web163104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific BX 367 CLOSED Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 10:34:34 -0700 Packages should go out in a week or so. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sat, 09 Aug 2014 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1407615101.63964.YahooMailNeo@web126201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Zeki Ikiz via pbs Subject: BX 366 CLOSED Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 13:11:41 -0700 Hello Dell, I am so unhappy..You may remember me from Turkey. I am one of daffodil lover and unfortunately away from those bulbs.I mean BX 367.If you have some I want to get one of everyone them..Not much.. And please do remember, I am ordering from now which one  it is, dont matter. I want only one for each,tiniest bulb.. Best wishes Zeki On Monday, August 4, 2014 10:30 PM, Zeki Ikiz via pbs wrote: Is it ended? what a quickly end?  :( I was trying to learn if they can grow in Mediterranean climate.. On Monday, August 4, 2014 9:45 PM, "ds429@frontier.com" wrote: Many large orders ate up the small supplies quickly. Packages should go out in a week or so. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX Sent from Windows Mail From greg@alpacamanagement.com Sat, 09 Aug 2014 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <53E6A013.8010400@alpacamanagement.com> From: Greg Ruckert Subject: eMonocot Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 07:56:27 +0930 I know it is always difficult to find volunteers but I wonder if the PBS has given consideration to getting involved in the eMonocot project. The bulbous plants are sadly lacking and if the pictures from the PBSwiki could be combined would make an incredible resource, not only for amateurs but for botanists studying these plants. Obviously it would require the oversight of someone from a botanical institution but I have noticed some of them involved in the PBS. Just a thought. Greg Ruckert Nairne, South Australia From michaelcmace@gmail.com Sat, 09 Aug 2014 21:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <0d2b01cfb449$cc8a6d30$659f4790$@gmail.com> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: Upgraded Gethyllis info on the wiki Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 20:18:44 -0700 Folks, I want to let you know that we've recently upgraded the Gethyllis page on the wiki. Gordon Summerfield gave us permission to add many photos that he took of his collection, and we added Rachel Saunders' excellent introduction to the genus, which she wrote for this list about a decade ago. Mary Sue also updated many of the descriptions. Thanks, everybody! If you're not familiar with Gethyllis, check out the unearthly leaves and strange growth habits here: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Gethyllis The available documentation on Gethyllis species is pretty sparse, and we still don't have photos of a majority of the species. If you have any additional photos or information we can add, please let me know. Thanks, Mike San Jose, CA (where my Gethyllis villosa didn't bloom this year) From pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk Sun, 10 Aug 2014 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <53E77960.2030100@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Subject: PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 14:53:36 +0100 Hi, On 08/08/2014 19:01, Jane McGary wrote: > cheaper to publish such articles on open-access websites. > Such a website would require both an editor and a site manager, and a There are many levels one could publish material at, picking one might well exclude the others. If you set up a peer reviewed journal for the latest academic material, you'd not want a few notes written by a gardener. There is no problem adding material to the current PBS wiki/web space. There are quite a few documents people have written that are linked into the wiki. By which I mean putting files on the web is easy enough. The other side, getting contributions, maintaining common standards, keeping it going, that is much harder. -- David Pilling North West England From arnold140@verizon.net Sun, 10 Aug 2014 09:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <20792804.874375.1407686326652.JavaMail.root@vznit170128> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: New member Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 10:58:46 -0500 (CDT) Welcome Ken. I put your new member packet in the mail on Friday. If you don't get it let me know at this email account. Arnold Treasurer, all around mail guy. Fellow New Jerseyan. On 08/10/14, Kenneth wrote: Hello my name is Ken Preteroti of Old Bridge, NJ, USA. I live in zone 6b. I am new to this site. I keep cacti and other succulents along with a few bulbs. I have three questions. One, i just received Cyrtanthus obliquus in the mail and potted it up. When should it be watered? Two, i also joined PBS. Will I receive a confirmation email? Three, how do I know if I am a member? Ken Sent from my iPad From xerantheum@gmail.com Sun, 10 Aug 2014 10:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 11:19:42 -0500 I am definitely interested in having such a journal again because Herbertia was a great publication that contains both peer reviewed and gardener's writing. I enjoyed both types of articles and the quality maintained was really good. There are many ways to cut costs and reduce editor's time. We have in the recent past discussed this topic, and I think the opinions back then as they are now is that it will be difficult to find contributors and editor(s) to maintain the publication. Although I could be one of those editors, I cannot do it in my current position. If anyone is willing to be an editor for the journal, let me know. Nhu On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Tony Avent wrote: > This poses an interesting question. Since the IBS is now defunct, there > is no venue for publishing in depth scientific bulb articles as they did in > Herbertia. Any chance PBS would have any interesting in becoming the new > venue for such articles by expanding to such a publication? > From ds429@frontier.com Sun, 10 Aug 2014 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1407698591.36394.YahooMailBasic@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 12:23:11 -0700 I would be very pleased to see more "scientific" articles published in PBS organs. But the publication of Herbertia was one of IBS's crippling expenses which led to the organization's demise. Resurrecting something like Herbertia is a nice idea, but not one that should be taken lightly. Dell -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 8/10/14, Nhu Nguyen wrote: Subject: Re: [pbs] PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Sunday, August 10, 2014, 12:19 PM I am definitely interested in having such a journal again because Herbertia was a great publication that contains both peer reviewed and gardener's writing. I enjoyed both types of articles and the quality maintained was really good. There are many ways to cut costs and reduce editor's time. We have in the recent past discussed this topic, and I think the opinions back then as they are now is that it will be difficult to find contributors and editor(s) to maintain the publication. Although I could be one of those editors, I cannot do it in my current position. If anyone is willing to be an editor for the journal, let me know. Nhu On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Tony Avent wrote: > This poses an interesting question.  Since the IBS is now defunct, there > is no venue for publishing in depth scientific bulb articles as they did in > Herbertia.  Any chance PBS would have any interesting in becoming the new > venue for such articles by expanding to such a publication? > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Sun, 10 Aug 2014 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Alberto Subject: PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 19:35:33 +0000 Dell is right, the expense of printing in a luxury paper was impossible to afford with time. It is very sad because countless of the bulbbs we grow were published for the first time in Plant Life and Herbertia over the years. From teck11@embarqmail.com Sun, 10 Aug 2014 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <00d601cfb4d4$73c6f980$5b54ec80$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 15:51:16 -0400 Dell wrote: But the publication of Herbertia was one of IBS's crippling expenses which led to the organization's demise. Resurrecting something like Herbertia is a nice idea, but not one that should be taken lightly. I believe the major cost of 'Herbertia' was involved with paper publication in order to qualify as a vehicle to describe new species. It is possible this requirement will disappear in the near future as it makes very little sense anymore. I understand that a few people did contribute a tremendous amount of effort to make each issue possible and it was their inability to continue these sacrifices that was as much to blame for IBS' demise as money. Tim From arnold140@verizon.net Sun, 10 Aug 2014 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <20673336.889055.1407702086528.JavaMail.root@vznit170128> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 15:21:26 -0500 (CDT) I can tell you all a bit of the cost of publishing and mailing Herbertia. I was the Director of Mailing and Publication in the IBS back then. Alan Meerow did all the collating and editing of the Journal at no cost to the Society. We had a graphic editor who was paid, not very much to put it into the format to be printed. The major cost was the printing and mailing to our members. Overseas postage , which is much higher now was prohibitive back then. When you print small numbers like 1000 to 2000 you pay a large amount and the cost to print 5000 would not have been much higher. Membership dues could not support the project on an ongoing basis. Sooner or later it was bound to come to a halt. We would need an underwriter to foot the cost of the project... any takers? Arnold From johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de Sun, 10 Aug 2014 15:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1XGaVB-1mE8Uk0@fwd18.t-online.de> From: " Johannes-Ulrich Urban" Subject: Nerine bowdenii from seed Date: 10 Aug 2014 21:01 GMT Dear All, Nerine bowdenii is easy from seed but unfortunately needs some patience until the seedlings are mature enough to flower. The advantage of seedlings is that you would have several or even many plants but it will take sevaral years. I recommend planting them out once the bulbs are about walnut size. If planted out too young or too small they may succumb in a bad winter. Bye for today Uli From greg@alpacamanagement.com Sun, 10 Aug 2014 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <53E7F97E.8030101@alpacamanagement.com> From: Greg Ruckert Subject: PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 08:30:14 +0930 The International Aroid Society now publishes a fully electronic only edition. It has an ISSN which means that, under the new Nomenclature Rules, it allows for valid publication of new species. Indeed there were many new species in the first two editions. Greg Ruckert Nairne, South Australia On 11/08/2014 5:51 AM, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > I can tell you all a bit of the cost of publishing and mailing Herbertia. I was the Director of Mailing and Publication in the IBS back then. > > Alan Meerow did all the collating and editing of the Journal at no cost to the Society. We had a graphic editor who was paid, not very much to put it into the format to be printed. > > The major cost was the printing and mailing to our members. Overseas postage , which is much higher now was prohibitive back then. > > When you print small numbers like 1000 to 2000 you pay a large amount and the cost to print 5000 would not have been much higher. > > Membership dues could not support the project on an ongoing basis. Sooner or later it was bound to come to a halt. > > We would need an underwriter to foot the cost of the project... > > any takers? > > Arnold > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sun, 10 Aug 2014 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1407714514.97603.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web120402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Rick Buell via pbs Subject: HAVE:fresh gethylis spiralis pollen Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 16:48:34 -0700 I have fresh pollen if someone would like to attempt pollination of their own gethylis spiralis. I'm hoping that my other one will also flower soon, but this is not at all certain. I don't know if the pollen can survive the USPS or how long it remains viable, but, I'm always willing to try! The scent of this tiny bloom is surprisingly sweet and strong. Email me directly today if you have any interest. Thanks, Rick Buell New London, CT/USA From makimoff76@gmail.com Sun, 10 Aug 2014 21:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: mark akimoff Subject: Amaryllis belladonna in pots Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 16:54:35 -0700 This pot saw 9 deg f. For several nights in a row and temps around 20 f. For about a week last winter. In an unheated, mostly open ended greenhouse, in Oregon's Willamette valley. The picture was taken today, but it has been blooming for about a week. Soil is 50/50 pumice and composted cow manure. Hope this is helpful. On Aug 8, 2014 12:31 AM, "Mark BROWN" wrote: > I grew the white amaryllis belladonna, which I was told is really a > hybrid, in pots for years here. It grew and flowered beautifully. > It was kept just frost free in a cold greenhouse for years. Outside all > the rest of the time. I never kept it especially dry in summer or at any > other time. I fed and repotted it as any other bulb. > I lost it as soon as I planted it out... > Mark > > > > > > > Message du 08/08/14 02:51 > > De : "Brad King" > > > A : "'Pacific Bulb Society'" > > > Copie à : > > Objet : Re: [pbs] Amaryllis belladonna in pots > > > > Hi Uli, Thanks for the info. It's very interesting to hear your > > experiences. I'll keep a look out for N. Bowdenii. One interesting thing > > about this hobby is finding a bulb (plant) that excites you and normally > > does not grow in your part of the world and trying to manipulate an > > environment to get it to grow and flourish. Sometimes we are rewarded > with > > great plants and blooms and other times.....well..... it's an experience. > > Still waiting for the A. Belladonna to even emerge. Brad. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of > > Johannes-Ulrich Urban > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 12:51 PM > > To: Pacifib Bulb Society messages > > Subject: [pbs] Amaryllis belladonna in pots > > > > Hello Brad, > > > > You live in an even colder climate than I do. Here we are zone 6-7 in > > northern Germany and we have to be prepared for minus 20°C in winter for > > many days in a row. Thak kind of frost penetrates deep into the soil > > although that does not happen every winter. So any winter growing bulb > has > > be be grown under glass, protected from frost but with good light. > > I do love Amaryllis belladonna, every time I see them in flower.... I > want > > them. I have tried so many times, in pots, in the garden with good > > protection, in the open ground in the greenhouse.... nothing really > worked. > > I had a few blooms from the bulbs planted in the open soil inside the > > greenhouse which is kept frost free. But even that was disappointing > because > > I had a big bunch of leaves at a time of the year where space is at a > > premium under glass and very littel rewards flowerwise to justify the > space > > taken. > > So... honestly..... I gave up on that bulb. I do not want to discourage > > you... but there are so many plants that can be grown under one's given > > condition, why bother with one that will not perform? With me A. > > belladonna has never flowererd in a pot and it is said that the bulbs do > not > > like to be disturbed, they need one or two years to settle in after > > transplanting and will not flower until they are established, in a > suitable > > climate that is. > > > > What I recommend as a suitable substitute are the hardiest forms of > Nerine > > bowdenii. (Not N. sarniensis!) N. bowdenii var wellsii is considered > quite > > hardy. I have donated seeds to the BX of a particularly hardy form that > has > > even survived outside one of the worst winters we had those last years. > But > > I give it overhead protection with a thick mulch and a cover against > winter > > wet at the base of a south facing wall. N. bowdenii is entirely summer > > growing but autumn blooming when the leaves die down. The flowers are > > different from A. belladomma of course, but they are THERE, many of them. > > Looks great with silver Artemisia and blue Ceratostigma. Ontario should > have > > a thick snow cover that is an excellent insulation. I remember Ellen > Hornig > > talking about her former nursery in New York state, she could grow things > > outside that I can only dream of, because of her immense and very > reliable > > snow cover. > > > > Hope that helps..... > > > > > > Uli > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sun, 10 Aug 2014 19:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1407723228.59640.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web120403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Rick Buell via pbs Subject: HAVE: fresh gethylis spiralis pollen Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 19:13:48 -0700 I have fresh pollen if someone would like to attempt pollination of their own gethylis spiralis. I'm hoping that my other one will also flower soon, but this is not at all certain. I don't know if the pollen can survive the USPS or how long it remains viable, but, I'm always willing to try! The scent of this tiny bloom is surprisingly sweet and strong. Email me directly today if you have any interest. Thanks, Rick Buell New London, CT/USA From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sun, 10 Aug 2014 20:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1407723439.23222.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web120401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Rick Buell via pbs Subject: HAVE: fresh gethylis spiralis pollen Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 19:17:19 -0700 Sorry! This duplicate email got sent again by mistake. Can you cancel the extra one? Thanks! ------------------------------ On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 10:13 PM EDT Rick Buell wrote: > >I have fresh pollen if someone would like to attempt pollination of their own gethylis spiralis. I'm hoping that my other one will also flower soon, but this is not at all certain. I don't know if the pollen can survive the USPS or how long it remains viable, but, I'm always willing to try! > >The scent of this tiny bloom is surprisingly sweet and strong. > >Email me directly today if you have any interest. > >Thanks, > >Rick Buell >New London, CT/USA From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sun, 10 Aug 2014 20:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1407723440.96261.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web120405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Rick Buell via pbs Subject: HAVE: fresh gethylis spiralis pollen Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 19:17:20 -0700 Sorry! This duplicate email got sent again by mistake. Can you cancel the extra one? Thanks! ------------------------------ On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 10:13 PM EDT Rick Buell wrote: > >I have fresh pollen if someone would like to attempt pollination of their own gethylis spiralis. I'm hoping that my other one will also flower soon, but this is not at all certain. I don't know if the pollen can survive the USPS or how long it remains viable, but, I'm always willing to try! > >The scent of this tiny bloom is surprisingly sweet and strong. > >Email me directly today if you have any interest. > >Thanks, > >Rick Buell >New London, CT/USA From othonna@gmail.com Sun, 10 Aug 2014 20:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Hannon Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 139, Issue 8 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 19:42:59 -0700 Regarding Aroideana, it is still published as a paper journal, with all black and white photos. The online version allows ample color reproductions at nil cost. Lots of color and easy e-distribution free up valuable resources to serve a rather small membership community. It may be that soon new species and other important matters of record will be sanctioned in online publications, but in the meantime there are lots of folks who enjoy holding a book or magazine and reading it. There are various ways to print on-demand these days; the cost of a small run could be borne by those members desiring paper copies. More modernized members could be served by the online version only. A shortfall of dedicated people to do the work or organizing and producing is routinely cited as the main problem in many struggling plant societies. The greater problem is simply the lack of enough members to support activities that everyone agrees are worthwhile. A national or international society that stays at a few hundred members will not be able to undertake ambitious efforts. Dylan Hannon From zigur@hotmail.com Sun, 10 Aug 2014 21:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tim Harvey Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 139, Issue 8 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 20:16:27 -0700 Hannon wrote: > It may be that soon new species and other important matters of record will > be sanctioned in online publications, This has been the case since 1st Jan 2012. T From iranaquatic@yahoo.ca Mon, 11 Aug 2014 05:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1407758825.88943.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Mohammad Sadegh Subject: Help Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 05:07:05 -0700 Hi Friends We need to to find a good buyer for some Seeds of our Lilium Species . We want to invest so much money to have a small garden (minimum 200 m) in a near village , away of our current place that have pests and a place that i can continue my programs with lily and rose breeding , that is why i decided to sell must of my seeds internationally and plants will be sold locally to be able to supply some of money that we need . we will have a good amount of seeds that we want to sell in whole lot because of problem with small payment . I can't write what lilium species (but you know which species live in north west of Iran) because all emails are stored in yahoo groups page and selling seeds of this species can make problem for me here. seeds are mostly hand pollinated in wild by me and my friend . price will be a bit high , about 1$ per seed ,  anybody  can help to find a good buyer for them ? we have so many seeds from about 40 seed pods . I apologize to use this group for commercial reason but i have no way so sorry . Thank you very much Mohammad Sadegh Ardabil ,Iran From Tony@plantdelights.com Mon, 11 Aug 2014 06:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tony Avent Subject: PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 08:23:12 -0400 Thanks for all the comments on the idea of an expanded bulb journal...on-line or otherwise. The linchpin is finding someone with the time to manage the project. The publication expense of Herbertia is not the reason that that IBS folded...it had everything to do with personality issues and unsustainable philosophies of fiscal management. Fingers crossed that someone steps up for what would be an incredibly worthwhile project. -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ruckert Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:00 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor The International Aroid Society now publishes a fully electronic only edition. It has an ISSN which means that, under the new Nomenclature Rules, it allows for valid publication of new species. Indeed there were many new species in the first two editions. Greg Ruckert Nairne, South Australia On 11/08/2014 5:51 AM, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > I can tell you all a bit of the cost of publishing and mailing Herbertia. I was the Director of Mailing and Publication in the IBS back then. > > Alan Meerow did all the collating and editing of the Journal at no cost to the Society. We had a graphic editor who was paid, not very much to put it into the format to be printed. > > The major cost was the printing and mailing to our members. Overseas postage , which is much higher now was prohibitive back then. > > When you print small numbers like 1000 to 2000 you pay a large amount and the cost to print 5000 would not have been much higher. > > Membership dues could not support the project on an ongoing basis. Sooner or later it was bound to come to a halt. > > We would need an underwriter to foot the cost of the project... > > any takers? > > Arnold > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From teck11@embarqmail.com Mon, 11 Aug 2014 06:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <004001cfb564$75e0af50$61a20df0$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 09:02:00 -0400 Tony, I know a few people with good skills for the publication and general editing who are retired and would love to do something like this for minimum wage. They would have to farm out the 'peer review' to members. Is this an option? Tim -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Tony Avent Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 8:23 AM To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' Subject: Re: [pbs] PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Thanks for all the comments on the idea of an expanded bulb journal...on-line or otherwise. The linchpin is finding someone with the time to manage the project. The publication expense of Herbertia is not the reason that that IBS folded...it had everything to do with personality issues and unsustainable philosophies of fiscal management. Fingers crossed that someone steps up for what would be an incredibly worthwhile project. -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ruckert Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:00 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor The International Aroid Society now publishes a fully electronic only edition. It has an ISSN which means that, under the new Nomenclature Rules, it allows for valid publication of new species. Indeed there were many new species in the first two editions. Greg Ruckert Nairne, South Australia On 11/08/2014 5:51 AM, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > I can tell you all a bit of the cost of publishing and mailing Herbertia. I was the Director of Mailing and Publication in the IBS back then. > > Alan Meerow did all the collating and editing of the Journal at no cost to the Society. We had a graphic editor who was paid, not very much to put it into the format to be printed. > > The major cost was the printing and mailing to our members. Overseas postage , which is much higher now was prohibitive back then. > > When you print small numbers like 1000 to 2000 you pay a large amount and the cost to print 5000 would not have been much higher. > > Membership dues could not support the project on an ongoing basis. Sooner or later it was bound to come to a halt. > > We would need an underwriter to foot the cost of the project... > > any takers? > > Arnold > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From ralph.carpenter1@googlemail.com Mon, 11 Aug 2014 07:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: John Ralph Carpenter Subject: PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 14:38:14 +0100 Is the Herbertia archive available online? If not, it should be! On 11 August 2014 14:02, Tim Eck wrote: > Tony, > I know a few people with good skills for the publication and general > editing > who are retired and would love to do something like this for minimum wage. > They would have to farm out the 'peer review' to members. > Is this an option? > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Tony Avent > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 8:23 AM > To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' > Subject: Re: [pbs] PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor > > Thanks for all the comments on the idea of an expanded bulb > journal...on-line or otherwise. The linchpin is finding someone with the > time to manage the project. The publication expense of Herbertia is not > the reason that that IBS folded...it had everything to do with personality > issues and unsustainable philosophies of fiscal management. Fingers > crossed > that someone steps up for what would be an incredibly worthwhile project. > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ruckert > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:00 PM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor > > The International Aroid Society now publishes a fully electronic only > edition. It has an ISSN which means that, under the new Nomenclature Rules, > it allows for valid publication of new species. Indeed there were many new > species in the first two editions. > > Greg Ruckert > Nairne, > South Australia > > > On 11/08/2014 5:51 AM, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > > I can tell you all a bit of the cost of publishing and mailing > Herbertia. I was the Director of Mailing and Publication in the IBS back > then. > > > > Alan Meerow did all the collating and editing of the Journal at no cost > to > the Society. We had a graphic editor who was paid, not very much to put it > into the format to be printed. > > > > The major cost was the printing and mailing to our members. Overseas > postage , which is much higher now was prohibitive back then. > > > > When you print small numbers like 1000 to 2000 you pay a large amount and > the cost to print 5000 would not have been much higher. > > > > Membership dues could not support the project on an ongoing basis. Sooner > or later it was bound to come to a halt. > > > > We would need an underwriter to foot the cost of the project... > > > > any takers? > > > > Arnold > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- Ralph Carpenter 2 & 3 Stone Cottages Chilmington Green Great Chart Ashford Kent TN23 3DW 01233 637567 From Tony@plantdelights.com Mon, 11 Aug 2014 07:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tony Avent Subject: PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 09:40:26 -0400 I'll bet people would be willing to be peer reviewers...thoughts? I would expect some of the folks who worked on Herbertia would be willing to help. -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Tim Eck Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 9:02 AM To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' Subject: Re: [pbs] PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Tony, I know a few people with good skills for the publication and general editing who are retired and would love to do something like this for minimum wage. They would have to farm out the 'peer review' to members. Is this an option? Tim -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Tony Avent Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 8:23 AM To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' Subject: Re: [pbs] PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Thanks for all the comments on the idea of an expanded bulb journal...on-line or otherwise. The linchpin is finding someone with the time to manage the project. The publication expense of Herbertia is not the reason that that IBS folded...it had everything to do with personality issues and unsustainable philosophies of fiscal management. Fingers crossed that someone steps up for what would be an incredibly worthwhile project. -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ruckert Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:00 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor The International Aroid Society now publishes a fully electronic only edition. It has an ISSN which means that, under the new Nomenclature Rules, it allows for valid publication of new species. Indeed there were many new species in the first two editions. Greg Ruckert Nairne, South Australia On 11/08/2014 5:51 AM, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > I can tell you all a bit of the cost of publishing and mailing Herbertia. I was the Director of Mailing and Publication in the IBS back then. > > Alan Meerow did all the collating and editing of the Journal at no > cost to the Society. We had a graphic editor who was paid, not very much to put it into the format to be printed. > > The major cost was the printing and mailing to our members. Overseas postage , which is much higher now was prohibitive back then. > > When you print small numbers like 1000 to 2000 you pay a large amount > and the cost to print 5000 would not have been much higher. > > Membership dues could not support the project on an ongoing basis. > Sooner or later it was bound to come to a halt. > > We would need an underwriter to foot the cost of the project... > > any takers? > > Arnold > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From xerantheum@gmail.com Mon, 11 Aug 2014 08:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 09:54:43 -0500 One of the journals that I have published in is an online only journal (although prices for printing on demand is not so bad). For this journal, the authors get sent a set of page formatting instruction (template) and a peer review form. The authors find their own people to review their manuscript and the reviewers send in their comments. Authors they pay a minimal page charge so that the money goes to funding someone to do the final editing work. This is both cost and time effective because it puts a lot of the work on the authors and takes the heavy burden from the editorial committee, along with handling the process of peer reviewing. And financial burden is minimized as a result of reduction in printing (electronic only) and editorial commitment. The model seems to be working quite well and the journal gets more submission than it could handle. But as Tony and others have said, there needs to be a committed group of people who works for free (or for a minimal fee) to make this work. It is a worthwhile project but we need folks to step up to the task. Nhu On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tony Avent wrote: > I'll bet people would be willing to be peer reviewers...thoughts? I would > expect some of the folks who worked on Herbertia would be willing to help. > From youngs.aberdeen@btinternet.com Mon, 11 Aug 2014 09:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <53E8E176.5010705@btinternet.com> From: Youngs Aberdeen Subject: Publishing new species Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:29:58 +0100 Greg R. wrote " The International Aroid Society now publishes a fully electronic only edition. It has an ISSN which means that, under the new Nomenclature Rules, it allows for valid publication of new species. Indeed there were many new species in the first two editions." The International Rock Gardener [ ISSN 2053-7557] is similarly able to publish new species and would welcome any submissions to that effect for any species, geophyte or otherwise, which are relevant to the rock/alpine/bulb/woodland or wild garden. Margaret Young IRG Editorial Team editor@internationalrockgardener.net From youngs.aberdeen@btinternet.com Mon, 11 Aug 2014 09:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <53E8E383.5060907@btinternet.com> From: Youngs Aberdeen Subject: PBS is seeking a new Bulb Garden editor Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:38:43 +0100 For "pure" academics, peer review is still essential I expect - but there is considerable precedence now for "simple" publication of work by amateur botanists on new species. These are as valuable to those growing plants and wanting to understand more about them as articles in learned journals and certainly a good deal more accessible to a wider audience. I am thinking of species published in the AGS bulletin, for instance and recently in IRG. An overly academic approach to this might deliver an insurmountable obstacle to the easy transfer and sharing of information - something I think would be a great shame. M Y. From makikogotowiderman@me.com Mon, 11 Aug 2014 10:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <793193E2-9984-4F88-8FE6-DD2C71B2680F@me.com> From: Makiko Goto-Widerman Subject: Help Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 10:11:47 -0700 Mohammad, We are in zone 9ー10 (could be 8) . Your lilies can grow here? Can you mix different varieties? Makiko Goto-Widerman Southern California Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 11, 2014, at 5:07 AM, Mohammad Sadegh wrote: > > Hi Friends > > We need to to find a good buyer for some Seeds of our Lilium Species . > We want to invest so much money to have a small garden (minimum 200 m) in a near village , away of our current place that have pests and a place that i can continue my programs with lily and rose breeding , that is why i decided to sell must of my seeds internationally and plants will be sold locally to be able to supply some of money that we need . > we will have a good amount of seeds that we want to sell in whole lot because of problem with small payment . > I can't write what lilium species (but you know which species live in north west of Iran) because all emails are stored in yahoo groups page and selling seeds of this species can make problem for me here. seeds are mostly hand pollinated in wild by me and my friend . > price will be a bit high , about 1$ per seed , > anybody can help to find a good buyer for them ? we have so many seeds from about 40 seed pods . > > I apologize to use this group for commercial reason but i have no way so sorry . > Thank you very much > > Mohammad Sadegh > Ardabil ,Iran > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From k.preteroti@verizon.net Mon, 11 Aug 2014 11:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <283F422D-68AA-4DAB-82C2-4B558C975213@verizon.net> From: Kenneth Subject: New member Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 14:12:32 -0400 Thank you. Anxious to get my membership package. Ken Sent from my iPad From Tony@plantdelights.com Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tony Avent Subject: Habranthus from Argentina Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 19:30:08 -0400 Hi folks: Does anyone recognize this Argentine habranthus species in flower now...seed from Salta Province. Many thanks! http://www.plantdelights.com/Habranthus-sp.-A1AG-113.2/ Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdelights.com phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent From jshields46074@gmail.com Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: James SHIELDS Subject: Habranthus from Argentina Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 19:43:40 -0400 A side view would help, as would a sagittal section. Are the filaments different lengths? By the way, there are a whole lot of Habranthus found in NW Argentina! Jim On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Tony Avent wrote: > Hi folks: > > Does anyone recognize this Argentine habranthus species in flower > now...seed from Salta Province. Many thanks! > http://www.plantdelights.com/Habranthus-sp.-A1AG-113.2/ > > > Tony Avent > Plant Delights Nursery @ > Juniper Level Botanic Garden > 9241 Sauls Road > Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA > Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F > Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F > USDA Hardiness Zone 7b > email tony@plantdelights.com > website http://www.plantdelights.com > phone 919 772-4794 > fax 919 772-4752 > "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least > three times" - Avent > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- James Shields jshields46074@gmail.com P.O. Box 92 Westfield, IN 46074 U.S.A. From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1407801560.24051.YahooMailNeo@web121306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Pamianthe seed from BX 365 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:59:20 -0700 Seed of Pamianthe peruviana from BX 365 sown on August 1, 2014 is germinating. Yeah! Thank you Paul Matthews.  Seed of Pamianthe peruviana from BX 347 did not germinate. I wonder what I did wrong that time? Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 From Tony@plantdelights.com Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tony Avent Subject: Habranthus from Argentina Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 20:03:48 -0400 I'll try again at next flowering. Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina  27603  USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website  http://www.plantdelights.com phone 919 772-4794 fax  919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James SHIELDS Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 7:44 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Habranthus from Argentina A side view would help, as would a sagittal section. Are the filaments different lengths? By the way, there are a whole lot of Habranthus found in NW Argentina! Jim On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Tony Avent wrote: > Hi folks: > > Does anyone recognize this Argentine habranthus species in flower > now...seed from Salta Province. Many thanks! > http://www.plantdelights.com/Habranthus-sp.-A1AG-113.2/ > > > Tony Avent > Plant Delights Nursery @ > Juniper Level Botanic Garden > 9241 Sauls Road > Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA > Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F > Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F > USDA Hardiness Zone 7b > email tony@plantdelights.com > website http://www.plantdelights.com > phone 919 772-4794 > fax 919 772-4752 > "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least > three times" - Avent > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- James Shields jshields46074@gmail.com P.O. Box 92 Westfield, IN 46074 U.S.A. From tiede@pacbell.net Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <000001cfb5c1$85b30010$91190030$@net> From: "Bracey Tiede" Subject: Habranthus from Argentina Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:08:05 -0700 I read Jim's blog on habranthus just yesterday! Lots of photos and good IDs. Not sure this one is there tho. http://www.shieldsgardens.com/Blogs/Garden/index.html Cheers, Bracey San Jose CA -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James SHIELDS Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 4:44 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Habranthus from Argentina A side view would help, as would a sagittal section. Are the filaments different lengths? By the way, there are a whole lot of Habranthus found in NW Argentina! Jim On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Tony Avent wrote: > Hi folks: > > Does anyone recognize this Argentine habranthus species in flower > now...seed from Salta Province. Many thanks! > http://www.plantdelights.com/Habranthus-sp.-A1AG-113.2/ > > > Tony Avent > Plant Delights Nursery @ > Juniper Level Botanic Garden > 9241 Sauls Road > Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA > Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F > Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F > USDA Hardiness Zone 7b > email tony@plantdelights.com > website http://www.plantdelights.com > phone 919 772-4794 > fax 919 772-4752 > "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least > three times" - Avent > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- James Shields jshields46074@gmail.com P.O. Box 92 Westfield, IN 46074 U.S.A. From nickplummer@gmail.com Mon, 11 Aug 2014 20:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nicholas Plummer Subject: Pamianthe seed from BX 365 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 22:51:03 -0400 Exactly the same results for me. The BX347 seed turned to mush. One seed from B365 has germinated so far. The rest are still intact, so I hope for more. Nick Plummer On Aug 11, 2014, at 7:59 PM, Jim McKenney wrote: > Seed of Pamianthe peruviana from BX 365 sown on August 1, 2014 is germinating. Yeah! Thank you Paul Matthews. > > Seed of Pamianthe peruviana from BX 347 did not germinate. I wonder what I did wrong that time? > From youngs.aberdeen@btinternet.com Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <53EA45BD.3080600@btinternet.com> From: Youngs Aberdeen Subject: The Crocus Group Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:50:05 +0100 Do you love the genus Crocus? Why not join the Crocus Group where a new era is beginning? Tony Goode is joined by new committee members Wim Boens, in Belgium, John Grimshaw in England and Matt Murray in Australia. The SRGC continues to provide updates to the Crocus Pages and a forum "home for the Croconuts" See http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=2643.msg310664#msg310664 for more details. Contact Tony Goode crocusgroup@hotmail.co.uk to join and support this group. From k.preteroti@verizon.net Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <3ADE442F-DAF7-4500-85B6-BB23E5ADCB1B@verizon.net> From: Kenneth Subject: Pamianthe seed from BX 365 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:50:05 -0400 While I was not a member to take advantage of either BX's my son acquired 5 seeds back in June. They were planted the first week of July with germination starting on July 16. Three came up within days of each other while a fourth came up two weeks later. The fifth seed still looks viable and may now be showing signs of life. Got to take the hand lens out. Used captan to prevent damping off. Germinated them outdoors with the orchids. 50% shade cloth, twice daily watering/misting. High air movement supplemented 24/7 with a 1600 cfm fan. Ken Sent from my iPad From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1407866056.40970.YahooMailNeo@web121304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Pamianthe seed from BX 365 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:54:16 -0700 Ken, where do you live? Jim McKenney ________________________________ From: Kenneth To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] Pamianthe seed from BX 365 While I was not a member to take advantage of either BX's my son acquired 5 seeds back in June. They were planted the first week of July with germination starting on July 16. Three came up within days of each other while a fourth came up two weeks later. The fifth seed still looks viable and may now be showing signs of life. Got to take the hand lens out. Used captan to prevent damping off. Germinated them outdoors with the orchids. 50% shade cloth, twice daily watering/misting. High air movement supplemented 24/7 with a 1600 cfm fan. Ken Sent from my iPad From k.preteroti@verizon.net Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <9D010329-DB26-4C2F-B3C6-8FF3905B2EEC@verizon.net> From: Kenneth Subject: Pamianthe seed from BX 365 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:44:40 -0400 Old Bridge, New Jersey. Zone 6b. Central jersey. Ken Sent from my iPad From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <1407889920.29370.YahooMailNeo@web121304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Pamianthe on the wiki Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:32:00 -0700 I was reading the account of Pamianthe on the wiki, and I saw something which does not make sense to me. The wiki account states "The flowering tube is an amazing 20-25 cm long, and must need a very specialized pollinator." But the stigma and anthers are in fact close together in this species (as in most amaryllids), and most pollinators should have no trouble moving from one to the other.   What the extreme length of the flowering tube requires is pollen which can grow from the stigma to the ovary 20-25 cm away. We need to fix this. Since I have not worked on the wiki in a long time, will someone else take this on? Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, now nervously counting my Pamianthe chicks as they hatch.  From ksayce@willapabay.org Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <1D8204AC-B40E-40F4-AADA-7142083C3B31@willapabay.org> From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: Amaryllis belladonna Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:38:02 -0700 The Amaryllis belladonna bulbs in my garden must have been listening in on the PBS conversation about the species, because they’ve put up shoots this week. Yes, we’ve had a warm summer, and they tend to flower earlier when this happens. I’ve had first shoots in late September to early October, so it’s a treat to see them so soon. Nhu said that he’s waiting for less weird weather to resume tracking dates of appearance of shoots and flowers. Kathleen PNW coast, zone 8 From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <53EAB3EF.3030302@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Pamianthe on the wiki Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:40:15 -0700 Most pollinators are seeking nectar, not pollen, and nectar is usually produced from nectaries at the base of the petal. They get zapped by the pollen quite incidentally. I am not sure what the pollinator is for this species, but similar species with long tubes that are night blooming and white are pollinated by moths, and there are such specialized moths with tongues that can reach that far. Diana Telos > I was reading the account of Pamianthe on the wiki, and I saw something which does not make sense to me. > The wiki account states "The flowering tube is an amazing 20-25 cm long, and must need a very specialized pollinator." > > But the stigma and anthers are in fact close together in this species (as in most amaryllids), and most pollinators should have no trouble moving from one to the other. > > What the extreme length of the flowering tube requires is pollen which can grow from the stigma to the ovary 20-25 cm away. > > We need to fix this. Since I have not worked on the wiki in a long time, will someone else take this on? > > Jim McKenney > Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, now nervously counting my Pamianthe chicks as they hatch. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From k.preteroti@verizon.net Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <841E5563-42C3-4630-A9EF-4D0B54415A13@verizon.net> From: Kenneth Subject: Pamianthe on the wiki Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 20:50:18 -0400 I had similar thoughts. I would guess bat pollenated. Where are the nectaries? Bat would plunge in get pollen all over its body lick up some nectar. When it goes to the next flower the pollen on the body rub on the thats flower stigma. Since the stigma protrudes well away from the anthers this should prevent self pollenation. Ken Sent from my iPad > On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:32 PM, Jim McKenney wrote: > > I was reading the account of Pamianthe on the wiki, and I saw something which does not make sense to me. > The wiki account states "The flowering tube is an amazing 20-25 cm long, and must need a very specialized pollinator." > > But the stigma and anthers are in fact close together in this species (as in most amaryllids), and most pollinators should have no trouble moving from one to the other. > > What the extreme length of the flowering tube requires is pollen which can grow from the stigma to the ovary 20-25 cm away. > > We need to fix this. Since I have not worked on the wiki in a long time, will someone else take this on? > > Jim McKenney > Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, now nervously counting my Pamianthe chicks as they hatch. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <1407892188.11717.YahooMailNeo@web121306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Pamianthe on the wiki Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:09:48 -0700 Diana wrote: "and there are such specialized moths with tongues that can reach that far" I guess we all know the story of the orchid with the sesquipedalian nectary tube.  But long floral tubes are not necessarily associated with long-tongued pollinators seeking nectar. Consider the case of the big colchicums. The stigma in some of these is nearly a foot away from the ovary; something other than long tongued pollinators is at work there. In the case of the colchicums (and in most crocuses and many other geophytes) the advantage is that the ovary and any seeds which develop are below ground and thus protected from adversities which might destroy the rest of the flower.  Maybe the long floral tube of Pamianthe is an adaptation to life among flower eating creatures. Once the pollen had grown down to the ovary it would not matter if something ate the rest of the flower.  Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, now wondering if iguanas live in Pamianthe country.. From nickplummer@gmail.com Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nicholas plummer Subject: Mystery Lycoris Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:10:03 -0400 Last summer, I bought a Lycoris squamigera from Tony Avent at one of the Plant Delights open houses. The plant is currently blooming, and it's clear that it is not L. squamigera. I thought that another customer at the nursery must have switched tags around, but when I sent a a photo to Tony, he replied that it didn't match any of the plants they are currently selling at PDN, and he suspected that it arrived mixed in a batch of L. squamigera bulbs from the Netherlands. Photos are here: http://s1279.photobucket.com/user/myrmecodia/library/ Can anyone speculate on its parentage or identify it as a known clone, possibly Dutch? The plant was dormant through the autumn and winter and produced fairly short lived foliage in Spring. The inflorescence is about 21" (53 cm tall). Distance from the green ovary to the tip of a sepal is approximately 3.5" (8.9 cm), and the natural spread measured from petal tip to petal tip across the face of the flower is approximately 3.25-3.5" (8-9 cm). Nick Plummer Durham, NC, USA USDA Zone 7 From kellso@irvincentral.com Tue, 12 Aug 2014 19:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <53EAC93F.8070203@irvincentral.com> From: Kelly Irvin Subject: Mystery Lycoris Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:11:11 -0500 I was going to say it looked a little bit like my L. houdyshelii, but mine is I think creamier and a little bit ruffled on the tepal edges. I think my first should be open in full tomorrow. I'll try and remember to see it as a fresh bloom and compare. Whatever it is, I like it. Eh hem, and if anybody asks to buy it from you, just let it be known that I asked first. :-) Mr. Kelly M. Irvin 10850 Hodge Ln Gravette, AR 72736 USA 479-787-9958 USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 6a/b On 8/12/14, 8:10 PM, Nicholas plummer wrote: > Last summer, I bought a Lycoris squamigera from Tony Avent at one of the > Plant Delights open houses. The plant is currently blooming, and it's > clear that it is not L. squamigera. I thought that another customer at the > nursery must have switched tags around, but when I sent a a photo to Tony, > he replied that it didn't match any of the plants they are currently > selling at PDN, and he suspected that it arrived mixed in a batch of L. > squamigera bulbs from the Netherlands. > > Photos are here: > > http://s1279.photobucket.com/user/myrmecodia/library/ > > Can anyone speculate on its parentage or identify it as a known clone, > possibly Dutch? > > The plant was dormant through the autumn and winter and produced fairly > short lived foliage in Spring. The inflorescence is about 21" (53 cm > tall). Distance from the green ovary to the tip of a sepal is > approximately 3.5" (8.9 cm), and the natural spread measured from petal tip > to petal tip across the face of the flower is approximately 3.25-3.5" (8-9 > cm). > > Nick Plummer > Durham, NC, USA > USDA Zone 7 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From kellso@irvincentral.com Tue, 12 Aug 2014 19:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <53EAC9F1.7000200@irvincentral.com> From: Kelly Irvin Subject: Mystery Lycoris Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:14:09 -0500 It reminds me a lot of L. caldwellii, though mine does not show that much red and the red is essentially gone by full bloom. Mr. Kelly M. Irvin 10850 Hodge Ln Gravette, AR 72736 USA 479-787-9958 USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 6a/b On 8/12/14, 8:10 PM, Nicholas plummer wrote: > Last summer, I bought a Lycoris squamigera from Tony Avent at one of the > Plant Delights open houses. The plant is currently blooming, and it's > clear that it is not L. squamigera. I thought that another customer at the > nursery must have switched tags around, but when I sent a a photo to Tony, > he replied that it didn't match any of the plants they are currently > selling at PDN, and he suspected that it arrived mixed in a batch of L. > squamigera bulbs from the Netherlands. > > Photos are here: > > http://s1279.photobucket.com/user/myrmecodia/library/ > > Can anyone speculate on its parentage or identify it as a known clone, > possibly Dutch? > > The plant was dormant through the autumn and winter and produced fairly > short lived foliage in Spring. The inflorescence is about 21" (53 cm > tall). Distance from the green ovary to the tip of a sepal is > approximately 3.5" (8.9 cm), and the natural spread measured from petal tip > to petal tip across the face of the flower is approximately 3.25-3.5" (8-9 > cm). > > Nick Plummer > Durham, NC, USA > USDA Zone 7 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From k.preteroti@verizon.net Tue, 12 Aug 2014 19:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <56F2B5F9-FCD5-4972-A80D-D85B57009F3A@verizon.net> From: Kenneth Subject: Pamianthe on the wiki Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 22:17:35 -0400 Diana I beg to differ. I would not think moth pollination. White flower, night blooming, scented, Yes moths but also bats. I may have wrote it poorly, bad punctuation etc. but what I thought i said as the bat would plunge its head into the flower to get at the nectar the pollen would rub onto its face and body. Then when moving onto the next flower that pollen would attach to the protruding stigma of that flower. Pictures on the PBS site do not show a long tube indicating moth pollination. Check out the first picture by Hans and the first picture by Nhu. Since my plants are month old seedlings I have no personal experience with the flowers only other peoples pictures. Both their pictures appear to show to my eyes a floral cup not a tube. Perfect for a bat to lap up nectar. The large flower and distance between the anthers an space between the anthers and stigma would make bee or small insect pollination unlikely. Not that moths would not visit the flower I just cannot see ho w a moth would transfer the pollen onto the stigma that is so far away. 20-25 cm floral tube? 8-10 inches is that correct? Like to see a cross section of the flower. Where are the nectaries? Ken Sent from my iPad > On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:40 PM, Diana Chapman wrote: > > Most pollinators are seeking nectar, not pollen, and nectar is usually produced from nectaries at the base of the petal. They get zapped by the pollen quite incidentally. I am not sure what the pollinator is for this species, but similar species with long tubes that are night blooming and white are pollinated by moths, and there are such specialized moths with tongues that can reach that far. > > Diana > Telos >> I was reading the account of Pamianthe on the wiki, and I saw something which does not make sense to me. >> The wiki account states "The flowering tube is an amazing 20-25 cm long, and must need a very specialized pollinator." >> >> But the stigma and anthers are in fact close together in this species (as in most amaryllids), and most pollinators should have no trouble moving from one to the other. >> >> What the extreme length of the flowering tube requires is pollen which can grow from the stigma to the ovary 20-25 cm away. >> >> We need to fix this. Since I have not worked on the wiki in a long time, will someone else take this on? >> >> Jim McKenney >> Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, now nervously counting my Pamianthe chicks as they hatch. >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From barkingdogwoods@gmail.com Tue, 12 Aug 2014 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <080401cfb6a1$997eaf00$cc7c0d00$@com> From: "Lin" Subject: Mystery Lycoris Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:52:17 -0500 How lucky are you - that's BEAUTIFUL! Thanks for sharing the photo with us. Lin Grado -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas plummer Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:10 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] Mystery Lycoris Last summer, I bought a Lycoris squamigera from Tony Avent at one of the Plant Delights open houses. The plant is currently blooming, and it's clear that it is not L. squamigera. I thought that another customer at the nursery must have switched tags around, but when I sent a a photo to Tony, he replied that it didn't match any of the plants they are currently selling at PDN, and he suspected that it arrived mixed in a batch of L. squamigera bulbs from the Netherlands. Photos are here: http://s1279.photobucket.com/user/myrmecodia/library/ Can anyone speculate on its parentage or identify it as a known clone, possibly Dutch? The plant was dormant through the autumn and winter and produced fairly short lived foliage in Spring. The inflorescence is about 21" (53 cm tall). Distance from the green ovary to the tip of a sepal is approximately 3.5" (8.9 cm), and the natural spread measured from petal tip to petal tip across the face of the flower is approximately 3.25-3.5" (8-9 cm). Nick Plummer Durham, NC, USA USDA Zone 7 From michaelhomick@gmail.com Tue, 12 Aug 2014 23:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Michael Homick Subject: Mystery Haemanthus Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 22:16:57 -0700 I obtained a Haemanthus labeled as H. carmineus from Charles Hardman a number of years ago. It flowered this week and an image can be seen at: http://www.gpbotanicals.com/images/plants/haemanthus/h_carmineus.jpg I checked the pbs site, google search and the book "The Genus Haemanthus" by Deirdre Snijman but can find no reference to a species carmineus. I thought maybe it was a mislabeled H. carneus but the PBS wiki states that H. carneus stamens do extend past the perianth. I will try to key it out tomorrow. Charles usually was very good at keeping names and labels correct. Any suggestions? All the best, Michael Homick Stevinson, CA USA From peter.scaevola@gmail.com Wed, 13 Aug 2014 00:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Peter Franks" Subject: Mystery Lycoris Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:48:51 +1000 Hi Nick I think your lycoris resembles L. x chejuensis http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/niwano-hana-sept.html Try comparing your image with the one on the right under no. 7 in the link I've given Your blooms are a little paler but there are similarities I'll be interested to know what you think Regards Peter Franks sunny Sydney, Australia -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas plummer Sent: Wednesday, 13 August 2014 11:10 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] Mystery Lycoris Last summer, I bought a Lycoris squamigera from Tony Avent at one of the Plant Delights open houses. The plant is currently blooming, and it's clear that it is not L. squamigera. I thought that another customer at the nursery must have switched tags around, but when I sent a a photo to Tony, he replied that it didn't match any of the plants they are currently selling at PDN, and he suspected that it arrived mixed in a batch of L. squamigera bulbs from the Netherlands. Photos are here: http://s1279.photobucket.com/user/myrmecodia/library/ Can anyone speculate on its parentage or identify it as a known clone, possibly Dutch? The plant was dormant through the autumn and winter and produced fairly short lived foliage in Spring. The inflorescence is about 21" (53 cm tall). Distance from the green ovary to the tip of a sepal is approximately 3.5" (8.9 cm), and the natural spread measured from petal tip to petal tip across the face of the flower is approximately 3.25-3.5" (8-9 cm). Nick Plummer Durham, NC, USA USDA Zone 7 From wahoffma@ncsu.edu Wed, 13 Aug 2014 01:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: William Hoffmann Subject: Pamianthe on the wiki Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 04:10:34 -0400 It appears to me that there is a long corolla tube behind the cup. If nectar is produced deep within this tube, as would be expected, then moths do seem to be the most likely pollinators. The distance between the anthers and stigma is not so great to rule out sphinx moth pollination. The moth may need to do a lot of close maneuvering to get its tongue deep enough into the flower to get the nectar, so even though they are quite elegant at hovering, it is likely to touch against the anthers and receive a dusting of pollen. Then as it approaches the next flower, it bumps into the stigma that is sticking out prominently in front, leaving some of the pollen there. Bill On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Kenneth wrote: > Diana I beg to differ. I would not think moth pollination. White flower, night blooming, scented, Yes moths but also bats. I may have wrote it poorly, bad punctuation etc. but what I thought i said as the bat would plunge its head into the flower to get at the nectar the pollen would rub onto its face and body. Then when moving onto the next flower that pollen would attach to the protruding stigma of that flower. Pictures on the PBS site do not show a long tube indicating moth pollination. Check out the first picture by Hans and the first picture by Nhu. Since my plants are month old seedlings I have no personal experience with the flowers only other peoples pictures. Both their pictures appear to show to my eyes a floral cup not a tube. Perfect for a bat to lap up nectar. The large flower and distance between the anthers an space between the anthers and stigma would make bee or small insect pollination unlikely. Not that moths would not visit the flower I just cannot see ho > w a moth would transfer the pollen onto the stigma that is so far away. 20-25 cm floral tube? 8-10 inches is that correct? Like to see a cross section of the flower. Where are the nectaries? > > Ken > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:40 PM, Diana Chapman wrote: >> >> Most pollinators are seeking nectar, not pollen, and nectar is usually produced from nectaries at the base of the petal. They get zapped by the pollen quite incidentally. I am not sure what the pollinator is for this species, but similar species with long tubes that are night blooming and white are pollinated by moths, and there are such specialized moths with tongues that can reach that far. >> >> Diana >> Telos >>> I was reading the account of Pamianthe on the wiki, and I saw something which does not make sense to me. >>> The wiki account states "The flowering tube is an amazing 20-25 cm long, and must need a very specialized pollinator." >>> >>> But the stigma and anthers are in fact close together in this species (as in most amaryllids), and most pollinators should have no trouble moving from one to the other. >>> >>> What the extreme length of the flowering tube requires is pollen which can grow from the stigma to the ovary 20-25 cm away. >>> >>> We need to fix this. Since I have not worked on the wiki in a long time, will someone else take this on? >>> >>> Jim McKenney >>> Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, now nervously counting my Pamianthe chicks as they hatch. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki -- From teck11@embarqmail.com Wed, 13 Aug 2014 03:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <000301cfb6d8$c743bc50$55cb34f0$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: crinum pollen Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 05:27:17 -0400 All, I would like to trade crinum pollen if anybody has moorei, buphanoides, or ligulatum. If anybody wants pollen, I have about 50 different pollens (hybrids and species) from this year and another thirty or so under refrigeration from last year (no commercial hybrids). Please contact me off list. Thanks, Tim From brian.whyer@btinternet.com Wed, 13 Aug 2014 04:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1407927278.37448.YahooMailNeo@web186101.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> From: Brian Whyer Subject: Amaryllis belladonna Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 11:54:38 +0100 With the recent change from long hot summer, to variable wet, and about average temperatures, they appeared here 2 days ago. SE facing against a low wall. Brian Whyer, Buckinghamshire, England, zone ~8, maybe. > >The Amaryllis belladonna bulbs in my garden must have been listening in on the PBS conversation about the species, because they’ve put up shoots this week. Yes, we’ve had a warm summer, and they tend to flower earlier when this happens. I’ve had first shoots in late September to early October, so it’s a treat to see them so soon. Nhu said that he’s waiting for less weird weather to resume tracking dates of appearance of shoots and flowers. > >Kathleen >PNW coast, zone 8 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Wed, 13 Aug 2014 06:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <53EB58C3.6060008@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Pamianthe on the wiki Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 05:23:31 -0700 I have bulbs that bloom every year, so I am not going by pictures. Diana > Diana I beg to differ. I would not think moth pollination. White flower, night blooming, scented, Yes moths but also bats. I may have wrote it poorly, bad punctuation etc. but what I thought i said as the bat would plunge its head into the flower to get at the nectar the pollen would rub onto its face and body. Then when moving onto the next flower that pollen would attach to the protruding stigma of that flower. Pictures on the PBS site do not show a long tube indicating moth pollination. Check out the first picture by Hans and the first picture by Nhu. Since my plants are month old seedlings I have no personal experience with the flowers only other peoples pictures. Both their pictures appear to show to my eyes a floral cup not a tube. Perfect for a bat to lap up nectar. The large flower and distance between the anthers an space between the anthers and stigma would make bee or small insect pollination unlikely. Not that moths would not visit the flower I just cannot see ho > w a moth would transfer the pollen onto the stigma that is so far away. 20-25 cm floral tube? 8-10 inches is that correct? Like to see a cross section of the flower. Where are the nectaries? > > Ken > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:40 PM, Diana Chapman wrote: >> >> Most pollinators are seeking nectar, not pollen, and nectar is usually produced from nectaries at the base of the petal. They get zapped by the pollen quite incidentally. I am not sure what the pollinator is for this species, but similar species with long tubes that are night blooming and white are pollinated by moths, and there are such specialized moths with tongues that can reach that far. >> >> Diana >> Telos >>> I was reading the account of Pamianthe on the wiki, and I saw something which does not make sense to me. >>> The wiki account states "The flowering tube is an amazing 20-25 cm long, and must need a very specialized pollinator." >>> >>> But the stigma and anthers are in fact close together in this species (as in most amaryllids), and most pollinators should have no trouble moving from one to the other. >>> >>> What the extreme length of the flowering tube requires is pollen which can grow from the stigma to the ovary 20-25 cm away. >>> >>> We need to fix this. Since I have not worked on the wiki in a long time, will someone else take this on? >>> >>> Jim McKenney >>> Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, now nervously counting my Pamianthe chicks as they hatch. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From xerantheum@gmail.com Wed, 13 Aug 2014 06:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Pamianthe on the wiki Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:05:12 -0500 It appears to me that the case here is a simple misinterpretation of where the floral tube ends. In fact, it ends very close to the pseudostem. The extra long floral tube is green, making it appear as if it were a pedicel. Unfortunately, none of the many photos show the ovary attachment, but what they do show is that the stigma is exerted and quite close to the pollen. I will take my guess that this plant is moth pollinated. Nhu On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Diana Chapman wrote: > I have bulbs that bloom every year, so I am not going by pictures. > From nickplummer@gmail.com Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nicholas plummer Subject: Mystery Lycoris Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:43:35 -0400 Hi Peter, That's the closest match yet. To my untrained eye, the yellow base color with peachy overtones, darker stripe on the back of the sepals and petals, red buds, and lack of crisping/undulation on the petals look very similar. I can't imagine how that would end up in a population of Dutch L. squamigera, though. Surely my plant must be a complex hybrid of some kind. This site says that L. x chejuensis is a hybrid of L. sanguinea, L. chinensis, and L. flavescens. http://www.um.u-tokyo.ac.jp/publish_db/Bulletin/no37/no37013.html L. chinensis is available from some of the big bulb vendors (perhaps of Dutch origin?), and some L chinensis hybrids on the web look vaguely like my plant. Is it plausible that I have some unexpected hybrid between L. chinensis and an unknown parent? Hmm, the wiki says that L. squamigera might be L. chinensis x L. sprengeri (if it isn't L. longituba x L. sprengeri). Some weird selfing or cross with an L. squamigera that was only 99.99% sterile? Nick On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Peter Franks wrote: > Hi Nick > > I think your lycoris resembles L. x chejuensis > > http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/niwano-hana-sept.html > > Try comparing your image with the one on the right under no. 7 in the link > I've given > From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <53EB70E5.3070508@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Pamianthe on the wiki Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:06:29 -0700 I do have a picture of the entire tube with a thickened area at the end before the pseudostem which is the undeveloped ovary. I don't know how to post the picture, though. Diana > It appears to me that the case here is a simple misinterpretation of where > the floral tube ends. In fact, it ends very close to the pseudostem. The > extra long floral tube is green, making it appear as if it were a pedicel. > Unfortunately, none of the many photos show the ovary attachment, but what > they do show is that the stigma is exerted and quite close to the pollen. I > will take my guess that this plant is moth pollinated. > > Nhu > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Diana Chapman > wrote: > >> I have bulbs that bloom every year, so I am not going by pictures. >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From msittner@mcn.org Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <20140813140708.E87C421F6C@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Amaryllis belladonna Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:06:57 -0700 I've been reading for many years now the ideas that people have had about what makes these bulbs bloom. I live in an area where they are planted everywhere and every year there is a good show. This year seems even better than usual as when I'm out hiking I have seen a lot of them blooming. My observations lead me to believe that it is good light that makes the biggest difference as they often bloom in areas that get no summer water at all. This year we had our last good rains in April and only tiny amounts in May and only fog since then and in July they started appearing and have continued to do so since then. My other observation has been that even though first shoots may start in July, new shoots within miles of the same area will continue to appear for many months. My garden is shady and I planted them in a number of spots before I realized that they would need more light. Most of my plants never bloom, but there are a couple that bloom about this time in a more open area and some others that bloom in September or October in another area of my garden. I've been wondering if individual plants have their own timing depending on their parentage. Some of my plants were ones that were dug from Les Hanibal's garden and shared so are hybrids. To my surprise, this year I have three others that are going to bloom. We are in a rather severe drought and two of them might have been shaded a bit by a very large Leucospermum shrub that died and was removed. I'm not sure about why the other is blooming. It bloomed a couple of times maybe fifteen years ago. Besides the ground being even dryer than usual we've had a cooler than usual summer. At least it seems that way as we have had more fog that we sometimes do. It's welcome as fire danger is high. So at least here in northern California south of where Kathleen lives, the bulbs are not behaving according to the theory that they bloom earlier with a warm summer and that they bloom better with some summer water. Mary Sue From jshields46074@gmail.com Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: James SHIELDS Subject: Mystery Haemanthus Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 10:17:51 -0400 Mike, I agree it is not carneus. Probably Haemanthus humilis humilis. Jim On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:16 AM, Michael Homick wrote: > I obtained a Haemanthus labeled as H. carmineus from Charles Hardman a > number of years ago. It flowered this week and an image can be seen at: > http://www.gpbotanicals.com/images/plants/haemanthus/h_carmineus.jpg > > I checked the pbs site, google search and the book "The Genus Haemanthus" > by Deirdre Snijman but can find no reference to a species carmineus. I > thought maybe it was a mislabeled H. carneus but the PBS wiki states that > H. carneus stamens do extend past the perianth. > > I will try to key it out tomorrow. > > Charles usually was very good at keeping names and labels correct. > Any suggestions? > All the best, Michael Homick > Stevinson, CA USA > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- James Shields jshields46074@gmail.com P.O. Box 92 Westfield, IN 46074 U.S.A. From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <53EB74F6.9070908@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Subject: Pamianthe on the wiki Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:23:50 +0100 Hi, On 13/08/2014 15:06, Diana Chapman wrote: > I do have a picture of the entire tube with a thickened area at the end > before the pseudostem which is the undeveloped ovary. I don't know how > to post the picture, though. If you have pictures for the wiki, send them by private email to me. -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From cynthiasbulbs@hotmail.com Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Cynthia Mueller Subject: Amaryllis belladonna Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 11:06:29 -0500 I have two A belladonna flowering now, in Central Texas. They've never bloomed before. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2014, at 9:07 AM, "Mary Sue Ittner" wrote: > > Leucospermum From pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk Wed, 13 Aug 2014 10:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <53EB8FB8.90707@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Subject: Pamianthe on the wiki Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 17:18:00 +0100 Hi, On 13/08/2014 15:23, David Pilling wrote: > On 13/08/2014 15:06, Diana Chapman wrote: >> I do have a picture of the entire tube with a thickened area at the end >> before the pseudostem which is the undeveloped ovary. Diana's photo is now on the wiki here: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Pamianthe It is the third one on the top row. Click to enlarge. She comments "The ovary is the darker green thickened area at the end of the floral tube" -- David Pilling North West England From k.preteroti@verizon.net Wed, 13 Aug 2014 10:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kenneth Subject: Pamianthe on the wiki Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 12:24:23 -0400 Thank you Nhu and Diana for correcting my misunderstanding of the pictures. As a beekeeper I am fond of pollinators. Like to see a picture one day of that moth. Ken P Old Bridge, NJ Zone 6b From leo@possi.org Wed, 13 Aug 2014 10:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Pamianthe on the wiki Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:34:00 -0700 (PDT) It is my understanding that most pollinating bats prefer to land on something while feeding, if possible, because they are very poor at hovering in one spot, in the manner of a moth or hummingbird. There is frequently substantial damage to flowers when bats feed, due to them crawling around on the flower and plant. Most bat-pollinated flowers tend to be quite wide in relation to their length, with sturdy, thick, or even waxy perianth segments. They also are borne closely to the stem, if not sessile. Such architecture more readily supports a mammal. Pamianthe appears not strong enough to support even smaller bats. In addition, many bats feed on pollen as well as nectar, and Pamianthe does not appear to produce much of that when compared to such plants as the cacti in genus Pilosocereus or Pachycereus pringlei, known to be bat pollinated. These have wide, short flowers with thick perianth segments, held closely to the stems, and are presented horizontally or vertically. Moth-pollinated flowers, as noted in this discussion, are often long-tubed and somewhat diaphenous. While bat-pollinated flowers sometimes have a fruity fragrance, more often they smell sour, like something fermented, or musty. (Pachycereus pringlei smells like Juicy Fruit chewing gum and most Pilosocereus species like something left in the washing machine too long.) The cactus genera and are examples of this, and some members of Echinopsis have long, fragrant, night-blooming flowers. Fragrances we humans consider sweet often are produced by moth-pollinated plants such as Angraecum, Cereus, Brugmansia, Datura, Gardenia, Hylocereus, Jasminum, Lilium (bulb content!) Nicotiana, Peniocereus, Petunia, Selenicereus and Polianthes (more bulb content!!). These flowers all have a ring of stamens oriented in a manner that dusts visiting moths, proboscideally probing floral depths, and a pistil that moths must push away while feeding. So I would vote for moths pollinating Pamianthe. The matter could be settled by observation. I would be willing to undertake an expedition to observe Pamianthe in habitat during bloom season. Since that would be somewhat unpredictable, I would need to spend quite a bit of time there. If anybody would like to sponsor me, please contact me. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From k.preteroti@verizon.net Wed, 13 Aug 2014 10:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <13655002-99FA-4C80-8ABC-6B4534E36BA6@verizon.net> From: Kenneth Subject: Pamianthe on the wiki Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 12:57:24 -0400 WOW! PBS certainly knows how to make a new member feel special. I have been a member for only a week and generated several thoughtful posts on possible pollinators, which I got wrong, and even got a new picture added to the Photos. Nice picture Diana. Ken P Old Bridge, NJ Zone 6b From othonna@gmail.com Wed, 13 Aug 2014 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Hannon Subject: Pamianthe pseudostem Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 10:51:27 -0700 Nhu makes reference to a "pseudostem" regarding the flowers of Pamianthe but the concept of a pseudostem is associated with foliage, not flowering structures. Examples are found in Pamianthe (leafy shoots) as well as Worsleya, Scadoxus, Musa, etc. The main flowering axis is a peducle to which the flowers are joined by a pedicel (or they are sessile). Dylan Hannon *"The greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an useful plant to its culture..." --**Thomas Jefferson* From ds429@frontier.com Wed, 13 Aug 2014 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1407952764.76738.YahooMailBasic@web163106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pamianthe on the wiki Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 10:59:24 -0700 There are some opinions that Pamianthe peruviana is extinct in the wild. Does anyone know? Dell So I would vote for moths pollinating Pamianthe. The matter could be settled by observation. I would be willing to undertake an expedition to observe Pamianthe in habitat during bloom season. Since that would be somewhat unpredictable, I would need to spend quite a bit of time there. If anybody would like to sponsor me, please contact me. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1407959743.89568.YahooMailNeo@web121302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Pamianthe pseudostem Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 12:55:43 -0700 For those of you who are trying to follow this but are not into botanical terminology, keep in mind that what Dylan properly calls the peduncle is what gardeners are apt to call the scape (i.e. a leafless stalk arising from the ground and bearing flowers at its tip).  Neither the peduncle nor the pedicel is part of the flower.  What looks like the stem in flowers such as Pamianthe, Crocus, Colchicum and many others are simply the tepals tightly wrapped around one another and sometimes fused. The tube formed this way is a part of the flower, and the ovary is typically at its base where it connects to the pedicel (if there is one).  In the genus Merendera something very interesting occurs. When the flowers first appear above ground they seem to have this false stem/floral tube; but as things develop, the tepals of the flower which make up  this false stem/floral tube remain connected at first; but sometimes they begin to separate, sometimes completely resulting in the usually expected six-tepaled flower, or sometimes the little hooks which hold the false stem/floral tube together remain partially connected, resulting in a structure which suggests a spiraled lattice.  If you look closely at this structure, you can see the style (which is attached at its near end to the top of the ovary) projecting up through the lattice like structure and projecting out of the fact of the bloom.  If you were to carefully cut down the length of the Pamianthe tube, you would see the same thing.  Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 where so far we have had a north European summer - and I'm loving it.  ________________________________ From: Hannon To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 1:51 PM Subject: [pbs] Pamianthe pseudostem Nhu makes reference to a "pseudostem" regarding the flowers of Pamianthe but the concept of a pseudostem is associated with foliage, not flowering structures. Examples are found in Pamianthe (leafy shoots) as well as Worsleya, Scadoxus, Musa, etc. The main flowering axis is a peducle to which the flowers are joined by a pedicel (or they are sessile). Dylan Hannon *"The greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an useful plant to its culture..." --**Thomas Jefferson* From xerantheum@gmail.com Wed, 13 Aug 2014 17:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Pamianthe pseudostem Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:22:15 -0500 Not at all, Dylan. What I said was that the floral tube ends near the pseudostem. The pedicels/peduncle of this species is short. I like to count from the flower and anything attached directly to the flower I would call a pedicel. A botanical morphologist may disagree. Of course, either the pedicel or the peduncle may be reduced and only careful studies could separate those apart. Nhu On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Hannon wrote: > Nhu makes reference to a "pseudostem" regarding the flowers of Pamianthe > but the concept of a pseudostem is associated with foliage, not flowering > structures. > From peter.scaevola@gmail.com Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Peter Franks" Subject: Mystery Lycoris Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 10:31:15 +1000 Hi Nick I'm wondering if the Dutch L. squamigera bulbs may have come from Japan initially. Perhaps some Japanese bulb collector sold off some excess bulbs, accidentally including some which were not L. squamigera. Who knows? Both L. squamigera and L. x chejuensis have the same vernal leaf pattern so It's just possible both were dug during the dormant season and inadvertently mixed. This may have happened either in Japan or Holland However it happened doesn't really matter at this stage - it looks as though you've won a major prize in the Lycoris lottery! If it is L. x chejuensis that you have and Tony A. hasn't seen it before then you may be the person lucky enough to have introduced this rare taxon to "Western" cultivation Congratulations, Nick on your new-found treasure! Regards [and a little envy] from Peter in sunny Sydney -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas plummer Sent: Wednesday, 13 August 2014 11:44 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Mystery Lycoris Hi Peter, That's the closest match yet. To my untrained eye, the yellow base color with peachy overtones, darker stripe on the back of the sepals and petals, red buds, and lack of crisping/undulation on the petals look very similar. I can't imagine how that would end up in a population of Dutch L. squamigera, though. Surely my plant must be a complex hybrid of some kind. This site says that L. x chejuensis is a hybrid of L. sanguinea, L. chinensis, and L. flavescens. http://www.um.u-tokyo.ac.jp/publish_db/Bulletin/no37/no37013.html L. chinensis is available from some of the big bulb vendors (perhaps of Dutch origin?), and some L chinensis hybrids on the web look vaguely like my plant. Is it plausible that I have some unexpected hybrid between L. chinensis and an unknown parent? Hmm, the wiki says that L. squamigera might be L. chinensis x L. sprengeri (if it isn't L. longituba x L. sprengeri). Some weird selfing or cross with an L. squamigera that was only 99.99% sterile? Nick On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Peter Franks wrote: > Hi Nick > > I think your lycoris resembles L. x chejuensis > > http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/niwano-hana-sept.html > > Try comparing your image with the one on the right under no. 7 in the link > I've given > From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Thu, 14 Aug 2014 05:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <8D185CEE7564C62-1D18-8EEA@webmail-vd013.sysops.aol.com> From: Ernie DeMarie via pbs Subject: crinum pollen Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Hi Tim, I have pink moorei just starting to bloom right now. I can send pollen, let me know where to send it too. The plant was grown from Silverhill seeds. Ernie DeMarie Z7 NY Crocosmia aurea and Galtonia candicans are blooming now, along with some kniphofias and agapanthus. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Eck To: PBS list Sent: Wed, Aug 13, 2014 11:25 am Subject: [pbs] crinum pollen All, I would like to trade crinum pollen if anybody has moorei, buphanoides, or ligulatum. If anybody wants pollen, I have about 50 different pollens (hybrids and species) from this year and another thirty or so under refrigeration from last year (no commercial hybrids). Please contact me off list. Thanks, Tim From janemcgary@earthlink.net Thu, 14 Aug 2014 09:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Request regarding Tulbaghia Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:56:59 -0700 The following inquiry has been received via the website from a South African researcher. If you can assist Freddie Els, please contact him or her as mentioned in the message: >"Dear Members > >My name is Freddie Els at the Tshwane University of Technology in >South Africa. > >I'm currently looking across the world for living material >(plant/seeds) for the genus Tulbaghia (all species). > >The aim of the study is to investigate the taxonomic >"in-differences" by including the use of DNA barcoding techniques to >current classification systems and data for this study. > >Will you please be so kind as to consider donating some of extra >Tulbaghia plants / seeds you have available? > >You welcome to contact me at elsfa@tut.ac.za (also willing to >discuss costs involved) > >Thanks in advance >Freddie Els" From awilson@avonia.com Fri, 15 Aug 2014 22:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <4B35F7B2FE794F80AA31871D16F0217F@Desktop> From: "AW" Subject: Amaryllis belladonna Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 22:08:15 -0700 It's clear that there is variability in the various climates where people are growing these bulbs. In this area (San Diego) the behavior is quite consistent with that of previous years - very few bulbs blooming after very dry winters. In fact, bulbs here are blooming only if they have received some non-rainfall water. This has been the behavior in the past three years. So, we await a wet winter. For the record, the first blooming clump in my garden started on July18; the most recent began last week. In spite of the drought and lack of blooms for these years the bulbs seem to be reserving resources and remain quite plump, not shrivelled. Several clumps even decided not to put forth winter foliage. Now, that's a conservative move. Andrew San Diego From zigur@hotmail.com Fri, 15 Aug 2014 23:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tim Harvey Subject: Amaryllis belladonna Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 22:26:29 -0700 I think data is data and to ignore a year because of unusual climatic conditions is simply unscientfic. Who knows what 'normal' will be in the future? T > > It's clear that there is variability in the various climates where people > are growing these bulbs. In this area (San Diego) the behavior is quite > consistent with that of previous years - very few bulbs blooming after very > dry winters. In fact, bulbs here are blooming only if they have received > some non-rainfall water. This has been the behavior in the past three years. > So, we await a wet winter. > From enoster@hotmail.com Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: T O Subject: Pamianthe on the wiki Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:06:53 -0700 Hi, Though I am not familiar with Pamianthe specifically, I am familiar with pollination syndromes and nectaries of some Amaryllids. My two cents is in response to this: "Pictures on the PBS site do not show a long tube indicating moth pollination. Check out the first picture by Hans and the first picture by Nhu. Since my plants are month old seedlings I have no personal experience with the flowers only other peoples pictures. Both their pictures appear to show to my eyes a floral cup not a tube" Upon observation of Pamianthe pictures, the flower form seems similar to Narcissus in that the ovary is at the base of a long (normally green) flower tube which extends between the ovary and the parianth segments etc. The nectaries are at the base of the ovaries, thus requiring a very long "tongue" to reach it. -Travis From othonna@gmail.com Sat, 16 Aug 2014 10:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Hannon Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 139, Issue 14 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:54:33 -0700 Nhu writes "What I said was that the floral tube ends near the pseudostem." These structures are not related or connected, but this statement could be misunderstood to imply that they are. The floral tube may be very close to the pseudostem but it is not connected to it. In the case of Pamianthe the inflorescence is inserted in the pseudostem (as in Worsleya also) but it is a separate structure that makes its connection to the plant further below, in the bulb itself. Other bulbs have a similar morphology but with the inflorescence and pseudostem standing separately, e.g., some Scadoxus species. It is called a "pseudostem" because it is actually leaf bases formed together to function and look like a stem. In other words, a false stem. Dylan Hannon From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <8D187956C6B507A-1074-15B71@webmail-d259.sysops.aol.com> From: Ernie DeMarie via pbs Subject: Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 14:17:07 -0400 (EDT) I was weeding and tidying up my school garden in Chappaqua NY yesterday and noticed one of the Amaryllis belladonna against the wall is spiking, and the leaves haven't even died back fully, maybe because we have had a cooler than normal summer. Shoud be open in days. Ernie DeMarie Briarcliff Manor NY Z7 From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1408213708.57195.YahooMailNeo@web121301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Amaryllis belladonna Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:28:28 -0700 OK Ernie, watch out! You've provoked some major Amaryllis envy down here in Maryland.  Jim McKenney From k.preteroti@verizon.net Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <0892EE61-5E8D-44DD-BCDE-28E34E5B1BB8@verizon.net> From: Kenneth Subject: Schizobasis intricata Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:35:23 -0400 As a new member and the engineer part of me I like to know what plants I have. So I started a list of all my plants that PBS considers 'bulbs'. It is very interesting the overlap between plants that are considered bulbs and plants that are considered succulent and kept by cacti and succulent enthusiasts which I am one. Sinningia for example. With all that said I have several pots labeled Schizobasis intricata. One pot is from the Huntington. The genus is not on the PBS list. Is it a syn. for another plant? Ken P Old Bridge, NJ Zone 6b From tiede@pacbell.net Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <000301cfba57$ed5845a0$c808d0e0$@net> From: "Bracey Tiede" Subject: Schizobasis intricata Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:15:01 -0700 A Google search turns up the renaming to DRIMIA INTRICATA As of 2013. Cheers, Bracey -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Kenneth Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 11:35 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Schizobasis intricata As a new member and the engineer part of me I like to know what plants I have. So I started a list of all my plants that PBS considers 'bulbs'. It is very interesting the overlap between plants that are considered bulbs and plants that are considered succulent and kept by cacti and succulent enthusiasts which I am one. Sinningia for example. With all that said I have several pots labeled Schizobasis intricata. One pot is from the Huntington. The genus is not on the PBS list. Is it a syn. for another plant? Ken P Old Bridge, NJ Zone 6b From pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <53F10E49.8040103@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Subject: Schizobasis intricata Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 21:19:21 +0100 Hi, On 17/08/2014 19:35, Kenneth wrote: > Schizobasis intricata. One pot is from the Huntington. The genus is not on the PBS list. Is it a syn. for another plant? The Plant list is useful: http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-287048 One man's synonym can be another's accepted name. -- David Pilling North West England From ds429@frontier.com Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1408307672.98531.YahooMailBasic@web163102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Schizobasis intricata Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:34:32 -0700 So is IPNI. And often the twain do not meet! Dell -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 8/17/14, David Pilling wrote: Subject: Re: [pbs] Schizobasis intricata To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Date: Sunday, August 17, 2014, 4:19 PM Hi, On 17/08/2014 19:35, Kenneth wrote: > Schizobasis intricata. One pot is from the Huntington. The genus is not on the PBS list. Is it a syn. for another plant? The Plant list is useful: http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-287048 One man's synonym can be another's accepted name. -- David Pilling North West England _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From peter.scaevola@gmail.com Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Peter Franks" Subject: Schizobasis intricata Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 06:52:25 +1000 Hi Ken I would point out though that neither list is necessarily up to date. A number of recently named taxa are yet to appear in these lists. But for older species and genera like Schizobasis, which may have newer synonyms, these lists can be helpful. Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of ds429 Sent: Monday, 18 August 2014 6:35 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Schizobasis intricata So is IPNI. And often the twain do not meet! Dell -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 8/17/14, David Pilling wrote: Subject: Re: [pbs] Schizobasis intricata To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Date: Sunday, August 17, 2014, 4:19 PM Hi, On 17/08/2014 19:35, Kenneth wrote: > Schizobasis intricata. One pot is from the Huntington. The genus is not on the PBS list. Is it a syn. for another plant? The Plant list is useful: http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-287048 One man's synonym can be another's accepted name. -- David Pilling North West England _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Alberto Subject: Schizobasis intricata Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 20:57:38 +0000 Taxonomy is eons from being the revealed truth. The sad side of it is that we must be aware of all name changes, willingly or not. From ds429@frontier.com Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1408309418.82828.YahooMailBasic@web163106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 368 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:03:38 -0700 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members and friends to be shared. 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Go to our website: If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 55 W. High St. Salem, WV 26426 USA Non US donors should contact Dell for instructions before sending seeds. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! ALL BULBS From John Wickham: 1.Cyanella orchidiformis 2. Ferraria crispa (mixed forms) 3.Ferraria densipunctulata 4.Ferraria uncinata 5.Freesia alba 6.Freesia fucata 7. Freesia grandiflora 8. Freesia leichtlinii 9. Gladiolus carmineus 10. Gladiolus splendens 11. Gladiolus virescens 12. Homoglad hybrids (ex Annies Annuals) 13. Lachenalia contaminata 14. Narcissus "odoratus" 15. Oxalis flava, yellow 16. Narcissus 'Polly’s Tazettas' 17. Tritonia ‘Rosy Picture’ 18. Tritonia ‘Salmon Run’ 19. Tritonia hyalina (crocata?) 20. Watsonia aletroides From Pamela Slate: 21. Albuca clanwilliamae-gloria 22. Ferraria crispa, yellow form 23. Ferraria crispa subsp.nortierii 24. Ferraria crispa, usual form 25. Watsonia ‘Flamboyant’, stunning deep coral; need support From Nhu Nguyen: 26. Lachenalia mixed From Jim Waddick: 27. Habranthus martinezii 28. Crinum ‘Menehune’ a tropical cultivar said to originate from Hawaii. Zone 8 or warmer. AKA Crinum ‘Purple Passion’. Has very dark purple foliage. Small grower suited to pot culture. Thank you, John, Pam, Nhu and Jim !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From willis@fred.net Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <9DAC44DE-ADC6-42DD-ABDC-0049232D6378@fred.net> From: John Willis Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 368 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:52:44 -0400 Please send > 3.Ferraria densipunctulata > 4.Ferraria uncinata 17. Tritonia ‘Rosy Picture’ 23. Ferraria crispa subsp.nortierii John Willis 8135 Ball Rd Frederick, MD 21704 Sent from my iPad http://macgardens.org/ > On Aug 17, 2014, at 5:03 PM, ds429 wrote: > > ALL BULBS > > From John Wickham: > > 1.Cyanella orchidiformis > 2. Ferraria crispa (mixed forms) > 3.Ferraria densipunctulata > 4.Ferraria uncinata > 5.Freesia alba > 6.Freesia fucata > 7. Freesia grandiflora > 8. Freesia leichtlinii > 9. Gladiolus carmineus > 10. Gladiolus splendens > 11. Gladiolus virescens > 12. Homoglad hybrids (ex Annies Annuals) > 13. Lachenalia contaminata > 14. Narcissus "odoratus" > 15. Oxalis flava, yellow > 16. Narcissus 'Polly’s Tazettas' > 17. Tritonia ‘Rosy Picture’ > 18. Tritonia ‘Salmon Run’ > 19. Tritonia hyalina (crocata?) > 20. Watsonia aletroides > > From Pamela Slate: > 21. Albuca clanwilliamae-gloria > 22. Ferraria crispa, yellow form > T deep coral; need support > > From Nhu Nguyen: > 26. Lachenalia mixed > > From Jim Waddick: > 27. Habranthus martinezii > 28. Crinum ‘Menehune’ a tropical cultivar said to originate from Hawaii. Zone 8 or warmer. AKA Crinum ‘Purple Passion’. Has very dark purple foliage. Small grower suited to pot culture. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From k.preteroti@verizon.net Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <484C32A3-1299-48F2-BBE6-2F6843D147D7@verizon.net> From: Kenneth Subject: Schizobasis intricata Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 19:28:34 -0400 Thank you for all the responses. It is a wonderful small bulb, easy to grow and flower. Easy from seed and almost weedy as volunteers pop up in my Haemanthus pots. Now someone just needs to add the plant to the list. Ken P Old Bridge, NJ Zone 6b From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <53F14026.6010907@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Subject: Schizobasis intricata Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 00:52:06 +0100 Hi, On 18/08/14 00:28, Kenneth wrote: > Thank you for all the responses. It is a wonderful small bulb, easy to grow and flower. > Easy from seed and almost weedy as volunteers pop up in my Haemanthus pots. > Now someone just needs to add the plant to the list. OK. If someone sends me photos of flowers, bulbs, seeds etc. I will add it to the PBS wiki... -- David Pilling www.davidpilling.com From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sun, 17 Aug 2014 20:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <8D188A29CCE0037-16DC-1D409@webmail-d292.sysops.aol.com> From: Ernie DeMarie via pbs Subject: Schizobasis intricata Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 22:24:03 -0400 (EDT) As far as I know, its still known by that name. One curious fact I found with this species is that some forms are self fertile, others are not. All multiply from the surface bulbs, however, and all are summer growers. As far as I know, its still known by that name. One curious fact I found with this species is that some forms are self fertile, others are not. All multiply from the surface bulbs, however, and all are summer growers. Ernie DeMarie NY Z7 From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Sun, 17 Aug 2014 20:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Schizobasis intricata Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 21:48:34 -0500 . With all that said I have several pots labeled Schizobasis intricata. One pot is from the Huntington. The genus is not on the PBS list. Is it a syn. for another plant? Dear Ken, This is a very ‘cute’ little plant. I always thought it obviously related to the Climbing Onion (Bowiea volubilis), but some what smaller and daintier. I like it a lot. Hard to imagine this as closely related to Drimia . Yes it should be on the PBS wiki, but sometimes it takes a member to point this out. Thanks for letting us know. Welcome to PBS. A number of the members here are also avid growers of cacti and succulents. Best Jim W. James Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 USA Phone 816-746-1949 From ds429@frontier.com Mon, 18 Aug 2014 06:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <1408365054.6919.YahooMailBasic@web163104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 368 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 05:30:54 -0700 I have received your order. Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 8/17/14, John Willis wrote: Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 368 To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Sunday, August 17, 2014, 6:52 PM Please send > 3.Ferraria densipunctulata > 4.Ferraria uncinata 17. Tritonia ‘Rosy Picture’ 23. Ferraria crispa subsp.nortierii John Willis 8135 Ball Rd Frederick, MD 21704 Sent from my iPad http://macgardens.org/ > On Aug 17, 2014, at 5:03 PM, ds429 wrote: > > ALL BULBS > > From John Wickham: > > 1.Cyanella orchidiformis > 2. Ferraria crispa (mixed forms) > 3.Ferraria densipunctulata > 4.Ferraria uncinata > 5.Freesia alba > 6.Freesia fucata > 7. Freesia grandiflora > 8. Freesia leichtlinii > 9. Gladiolus carmineus > 10. Gladiolus splendens > 11. Gladiolus virescens > 12. Homoglad hybrids (ex Annies Annuals) > 13. Lachenalia contaminata > 14. Narcissus "odoratus" > 15. Oxalis flava, yellow > 16. Narcissus 'Polly’s Tazettas' > 17. Tritonia ‘Rosy Picture’ > 18. Tritonia ‘Salmon Run’ > 19. Tritonia hyalina (crocata?) > 20. Watsonia aletroides > > From Pamela Slate: > 21. Albuca clanwilliamae-gloria > 22. Ferraria crispa, yellow form > T deep coral; need support > > From Nhu Nguyen: > 26. Lachenalia mixed > > From Jim Waddick: > 27. Habranthus martinezii > 28. Crinum ‘Menehune’ a tropical cultivar said to originate from Hawaii. Zone 8 or warmer. AKA Crinum ‘Purple Passion’. Has very dark purple foliage. Small grower suited to pot culture. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ds429@frontier.com Mon, 18 Aug 2014 06:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <1408366530.56694.YahooMailBasic@web163105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: PBS BX 368 CLOSED Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 05:55:30 -0700 Packages should go out in a week or two. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Mon, 18 Aug 2014 08:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <53F20C26.600@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Brunsvigia marginata Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 07:22:30 -0700 Is B. marginata ever pink? I have a pink flowered Brunsvigia in the pot along with the normal red flowered ones. They look the same other than color. Diana Telos From msittner@mcn.org Mon, 18 Aug 2014 08:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <20140818150115.88695218E8@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Plant Names, was Schizobasis intricata Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 08:00:59 -0700 When I first started working on the wiki I didn't know very much about how plants get their names. I know a lot more now, but I'm sure there are members of this list who know a lot more than I do. It has been very challenging to decide what name to use on the wiki. I used to believe that botanical names were the way that people could know that they are all talking about the same thing, but I no longer think that is true. And if the Internet makes it easier to publish new species that could make it even harder. As a number of people on this list have noted over the years, if you include the name of the person who published that name after the botanical name you are technically correct even if no one uses that name any more. Someone suggested that we use IPNI http://www.ipni.org/ipni/plantnamesearchpage.do and for awhile we did until we understood that it is a listing of published names of plants and not necessarily the ones that people are using at the moment. If you put in Schizobasis intricata you will find that it is a published name. Kew had a monocot checklist and for awhile we used that to verify names since the majority of wiki species were monocots. This list has gradually added other families besides monocots, but I'm not sure if all of the wiki families are included. http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/home.do I still like to use it some times as it offers helpful information. If you used it to search for Schizobasis intricata you would learn that it is in the family Asparagaceae and was first published by Baker by that name in 1874. In 1872 he first published this plant under the name Anthericum intricatum. In 2000 Manning and Goldblatt published a new name for this species, Drimia intricata. If you click on that name you will learn that it is distributed from Ethiopia, Tanzania to S. Africa and is a bulb geophyte and is an accepted name (but it doesn't tell you by whom.) There is a link to other sources that may or may not have further information. I used to also look at Tropicos, the Missouri Botanical Garden's database of plant names. http://www.tropicos.org/ It describes itself this way: Tropicos® was originally created for internal research but has since been made available to the world’s scientific community. All of the nomenclatural, bibliographic, and specimen data accumulated in MBG’s electronic databases during the past 25 years are publicly available here. This system has over 1.2 million scientific names and 4.0 million specimen records. If you search in it you will find both Drimia intricata and Schizobasis intricata so they have it covered either way. Sometimes Kew and Tropicos agreed so we felt somewhat safe in using a name listed in both. But then the Plant List was suggested as a resource. http://www.theplantlist.org/ It describes itself as a working list of all known plant species. It aims to be comprehensive for species of Vascular plant (flowering plants, conifers, ferns and their allies) and of Bryophytes (mosses and liverworts). Collaboration between the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew and Missouri Botanical Garden enabled the creation of The Plant List by combining multiple checklist data sets held by these institutions and other collaborators. So using it meant we didn't have to check both of the above. It lists 1,064,035 scientific plant names of species rank. Of these 350,699 are accepted species name. The others are either synonyms or unresolved. So only a third of those names are "accepted". And they note it is a work in progress and not perfect. If you check Schizobasis intricata in the Plant List you will find that it is the accepted name (3 stars confidence) and Drimia intricata is a synonym. Another resource to use for South African plants is the SANBI check list. http://posa.sanbi.org/searchspp.php I like to look at it as it seems reasonable to me that local botanists are likely to be current on their plants (but that may depend on whether someone has transferred their data to the internet.) But even if the information is current it doesn't mean that everyone around the world is going to agree and accept their findings. Looking up Schizobasis intricata here you will find that it is in the Hyacinthaceae family and is a synonym for Drimia intricata and is Perennial. Climber, geophyte. Ht 0.05-0.69m. Alt 250-5540m. So what do we call it if someone is kind enough to send photos to the wiki? Toss a coin? Either of these would be correct: Schizobasis intricata (Baker) Baker Drimia intricata (Baker) J.C.Manning & Goldblatt If you are still with me and I'm sure I've lost some folks by now, it is possible that someone will decide to take on this plant and do a more historical search and find that someone else was first in naming this plant and therefore the name should be changed even if it has been used for a very long time under a different name and all the resource books would now be out of date under that name. Or perhaps there was a spelling mistake that now needs to be corrected. It makes it so hard for any resource to keep up to date with what to call a plant. And as we found with Albuca into Ornithogalum back to Albuca, even the experts can change their minds. Anyone for common names? Mary Sue From k.preteroti@verizon.net Mon, 18 Aug 2014 09:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <6ED68319-8B86-4230-B501-E087C24DABD5@verizon.net> From: Kenneth Subject: Schizobasis intricata Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 11:28:20 -0400 Thanks James. When I received seeds of this plant about ten years ago from a fellow Philadelphia Cactus and Succulent Society member he said they were a small form of Bowiea volubilis. I bought the bulbs from the Huntington thinking I was getting a new plant. Surprise. Growers like the binomials versus common names. Old or invalid names are still useful. Who really needs multiple pots of the same plant with different names. Ken P Old Bridge, NJ Zone 6b From makikogotowiderman@me.com Mon, 18 Aug 2014 09:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: Makiko Goto-Widerman Subject: Pacific Bulb Society BX 368 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 08:43:34 -0700 Dell Thank you. Makiko Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 18, 2014, at 5:30 AM, ds429 wrote: > > > I have received your order. > > Best wishes, > Dell > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > -------------------------------------------- > On Sun, 8/17/14, John Willis wrote: > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific Bulb Society BX 368 > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" > Date: Sunday, August 17, 2014, 6:52 PM > > Please send >> 3.Ferraria densipunctulata >> 4.Ferraria uncinata > 17. > Tritonia ‘Rosy Picture’ > 23. Ferraria > crispa subsp.nortierii > > John > Willis > 8135 Ball Rd > Frederick, MD 21704 > > > Sent from my iPad > http://macgardens.org/ > >> On Aug 17, 2014, at 5:03 > PM, ds429 > wrote: >> >> ALL > BULBS >> >> From John > Wickham: > > >> >> 1.Cyanella > orchidiformis >> 2. Ferraria crispa (mixed > forms) >> 3.Ferraria densipunctulata >> 4.Ferraria uncinata >> > 5.Freesia alba >> 6.Freesia fucata >> 7. Freesia grandiflora >> 8. Freesia leichtlinii >> 9. Gladiolus carmineus >> 10. Gladiolus splendens >> 11. Gladiolus virescens >> 12. Homoglad hybrids (ex Annies > Annuals) >> 13. Lachenalia contaminata >> 14. Narcissus "odoratus" >> 15. Oxalis flava, yellow >> 16. Narcissus 'Polly’s > Tazettas' >> 17. Tritonia ‘Rosy > Picture’ >> 18. Tritonia ‘Salmon > Run’ >> 19. Tritonia hyalina > (crocata?) >> 20. Watsonia aletroides >> >> From Pamela Slate: > >> 21. Albuca clanwilliamae-gloria >> 22. Ferraria crispa, yellow form >> T deep coral; need support >> > >> From Nhu Nguyen: >> > 26. Lachenalia mixed >> >> From Jim Waddick: >> > 27. Habranthus martinezii >> 28. Crinum > ‘Menehune’ a tropical cultivar said to originate from > Hawaii. Zone 8 or warmer. AKA Crinum ‘Purple Passion’. > Has very dark purple foliage. Small grower suited to pot > culture. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Mon, 18 Aug 2014 09:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: Alberto Subject: Plant Names, was Schizobasis intricata Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 16:13:21 +0000 If one follows a series of steps in the publication of a species and it is accepted, it will be a valid species. Here in South America we have lots of situations in which a species does not exist but since all the protocoles were suppsedly followed the species' existence is taken as a fact. Just to name a few, species of Leucocoryne that proved to be a single plant amidst a sea of a known Leucocoryne species. Years ago, during a field trip the aim was to collect species of recently published Cannas for our nice friend Jim Waddick. These were published by a Japanese fellow. Incredibly, in all cases, the "new" species were one of a series of variants where populations of Canna coccinea and C. glauca overlappèd. There were numbers of warm colors in a small zone and one could have made dozens of "species" if need be. And these "new" species were valid species for the protocoles were followed and respected. From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Mon, 18 Aug 2014 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1408382367.36062.YahooMailNeo@web121305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Plant Names, was Schizobasis intricata Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 10:19:27 -0700 I think I'm in agreement with what Alberto says, but I would phrase it differently. Where Alberto writes "valid species" I would write "validly published name" or "validly published species name" or " validly published name of rank species" or some variation of that.  The rules of nomenclature and the activities of taxonomists are not what determine if a species exists. When a taxonomist publishes a name, the taxonomist is expressing an opinion, a hypothesis. Whether the entity in question really exists or not is a matter of science, not of taxonomy.  The canna situation cited by Alberto is a good example of just how clueless some taxonomists are about what species means: rather than being evidence for a multiplicity of species, the situation mentioned is good evidence that the two purported parental species and the resulting "hybrid" swarm are all actually a single polymorphic species   Jim McKenney Montgomery County Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 From denbakker@kabelfoon.nl Mon, 18 Aug 2014 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Peter den Bakker" Subject: Brunsvigia marginata Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 19:27:23 +0200 Not that I know, maybe Brunsvigia elandsmontana? Peter -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Diana Chapman Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 4:22 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] Brunsvigia marginata Is B. marginata ever pink? I have a pink flowered Brunsvigia in the pot along with the normal red flowered ones. They look the same other than color. Diana Telos -- Deze email is gecontroleerd door CAIWAY Internet Virusvrij. Voor meer informatie, zie http://www.caiway.nl/ From plantsman@comcast.net Mon, 18 Aug 2014 11:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <20140818181229.A6AEF21A14@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Nathan Lange Subject: Plant Names, was Schizobasis intricata Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 11:12:39 -0700 Mary Sue, Such thoughtful deliberations concerning the nomenclature of plants on the wiki could also be applied to the plant anatomy used to describe the same plants. Would not the best standard for naming things on the wiki, whether plant names or plant parts, be the answer to the question, "What is the current consensus among plant science journals?" As you have pointed out, the answer is possibly very difficult, if not impossible, to ascertain regarding the correct nomenclature of any one plant species. However, answers to questions about the accepted plant anatomy needed to describe the same plant are fairly easy to find. Nathan At 08:00 AM 8/18/2014, you wrote: >When I first started working on the wiki I >didn't know very much about how plants get their >names. I know a lot more now, but I'm sure there >are members of this list who know a lot more >than I do. It has been very challenging to >decide what name to use on the wiki. I used to >believe that botanical names were the way that >people could know that they are all talking >about the same thing, but I no longer think that >is true. And if the Internet makes it easier to >publish new species that could make it even >harder. As a number of people on this list have >noted over the years, if you include the name of >the person who published that name after the >botanical name you are technically correct even >if no one uses that name any more. > >Someone suggested that we use IPNI >http://www.ipni.org/ipni/plantnamesearchpage.do >and for awhile we did until we understood that >it is a listing of published names of plants and >not necessarily the ones that people are using >at the moment. If you put in Schizobasis >intricata you will find that it is a published name. > >Kew had a monocot checklist and for awhile we >used that to verify names since the majority of >wiki species were monocots. This list has >gradually added other families besides monocots, >but I'm not sure if all of the wiki families are included. >http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/home.do >I still like to use it some times as it offers >helpful information. If you used it to search >for Schizobasis intricata you would learn that >it is in the family Asparagaceae and was first >published by Baker by that name in 1874. In >1872 he first published this plant under the >name Anthericum intricatum. In 2000 Manning and >Goldblatt published a new name for this species, >Drimia intricata. If you click on that name you >will learn that it is distributed from Ethiopia, >Tanzania to S. Africa and is a bulb geophyte >and is an accepted name (but it doesn't tell you >by whom.) There is a link to other sources that >may or may not have further information. > >I used to also look at Tropicos, the Missouri >Botanical Garden's database of plant names. >http://www.tropicos.org/ >It describes itself this way: >Tropicos® was originally created for internal >research but has since been made available to >the world’s scientific community. All of the >nomenclatural, bibliographic, and specimen data >accumulated in MBG’s electronic databases during >the past 25 years are publicly available here. >This system has over 1.2 million scientific >names and 4.0 million specimen records. If you >search in it you will find both Drimia intricata >and Schizobasis intricata so they have it covered either way. > >Sometimes Kew and Tropicos agreed so we felt >somewhat safe in using a name listed in both. >But then the Plant List was suggested as a resource. >http://www.theplantlist.org/ >It describes itself as a working list of all >known plant species. It aims to be comprehensive >for species of Vascular plant (flowering plants, >conifers, ferns and their allies) and of >Bryophytes (mosses and liverworts). >Collaboration between the Royal Botanic Gardens, >Kew and Missouri Botanical Garden enabled the >creation of The Plant List by combining multiple >checklist data sets held by these institutions >and other collaborators. So using it meant we >didn't have to check both of the above. It >lists 1,064,035 scientific plant names of >species rank. Of these 350,699 are accepted >species name. The others are either synonyms or >unresolved. So only a third of those names are >"accepted". And they note it is a work in >progress and not perfect. If you check >Schizobasis intricata in the Plant List you will >find that it is the accepted name (3 stars >confidence) and Drimia intricata is a synonym. > >Another resource to use for South African plants is the SANBI check list. >http://posa.sanbi.org/searchspp.php >I like to look at it as it seems reasonable to >me that local botanists are likely to be current >on their plants (but that may depend on whether >someone has transferred their data to the >internet.) But even if the information is >current it doesn't mean that everyone around the >world is going to agree and accept their >findings. Looking up Schizobasis intricata here >you will find that it is in the Hyacinthaceae >family and is a synonym for Drimia intricata and >is Perennial. Climber, geophyte. Ht 0.05-0.69m. Alt 250-5540m. > >So what do we call it if someone is kind enough >to send photos to the wiki? Toss a coin? Either of these would be correct: >Schizobasis intricata (Baker) Baker >Drimia intricata (Baker) J.C.Manning & Goldblatt > >If you are still with me and I'm sure I've lost >some folks by now, it is possible that someone >will decide to take on this plant and do a more >historical search and find that someone else was >first in naming this plant and therefore the >name should be changed even if it has been used >for a very long time under a different name and >all the resource books would now be out of date >under that name. Or perhaps there was a >spelling mistake that now needs to be corrected. >It makes it so hard for any resource to keep up >to date with what to call a plant. And as we >found with Albuca into Ornithogalum back to >Albuca, even the experts can change their minds. Anyone for common names? > >Mary Sue From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Mon, 18 Aug 2014 12:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <53F24661.8020009@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Brunsvigia marginata Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 11:30:57 -0700 I take it back, it isn't pink, but more like peach or light orange. I have taken a picture, if someone would be kind enough to put it on the wiki. The anthers are purple and split to reveal pollen that is grey. The anthers are straight and protrude significantly beyond the tepals, similar to the red flowered ones. Diana > Not that I know, maybe Brunsvigia elandsmontana? > > Peter > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Diana Chapman Sent: Monday, > August 18, 2014 4:22 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] > Brunsvigia marginata > Is B. marginata ever pink? I have a pink flowered Brunsvigia in the > pot along with the normal red flowered ones. They look the same other > than color. > > Diana > Telos > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- > Deze email is gecontroleerd door CAIWAY Internet Virusvrij. > Voor meer informatie, zie http://www.caiway.nl/ > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Mon, 18 Aug 2014 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Alberto Subject: Plant Names, was Schizobasis intricata Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 22:06:07 +0000 Yes, thanks, Jim, for your comments, "validly published species" as you wrote clarifies the situation better. Of course is like you say but if the species is validly published you will find it in IPNI for instance, which most of us use as an easy, at hand reference. Those Cannas mentioned were validly published species and as such were of interest to him, but clearly they did not exist. But it took a long trip to the wild locations to find out. > > The rules of nomenclature and the activities of taxonomists are not what determine if a species exists. When a taxonomist publishes a name, the taxonomist is expressing an opinion, a hypothesis. Whether the entity in question really exists or not is a matter of science, not of taxonomy. From myixia1@gmail.com Mon, 18 Aug 2014 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Pamela Slate Subject: Help with Hessea stellaris Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 16:54:36 -0700 Hi All, I'm the grateful recipient of a bulb of H. stellaris and am looking for input from you about its horticulture and acclimatization to my conditions. It came from a drastically different climate and that is of great concern. My overnight temps are to the low 80's F and at my location, days have been consistently around 100 degrees but could go considerably higher before cooler days and nights of October. It came from a location where day temps are in the upper 60's F with overnight temps in the 50-55 degree F. range. I suspect it's a mature bulb since the grower has had it a number of years but without flowering success. It has good, moist roots. I've read about it in Graham Duncan's book (2010) and also the Color Encyclopedia of Cape Bulbs. I'm happy it's not one of the species that flowers after fire or grows in marshy conditions but am wondering about a watering regime during this period of adjustment. All suggestions are most welcome, especially since we have no photo of it on the wiki and growing it to flower would provide a welcome addition.. All best, Pamela Slate From petersirises@gmail.com Tue, 19 Aug 2014 00:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: Help with Hessea stellaris Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 07:46:59 +0100 I have tried various Hessia species from seeds. Stellaris was among them. my impression was (like with various Nerines and Haemanthus) The growing cycles do not fit neatly into Summer or Winter patterns, but Spring and Autumn cycles. For example Haemanthus humilis comes into growth for me in mid Summer and goes dormant in mid Winter -making it an Autumn rather than a Summer growing plant. -I have to remember to leave it dry in Spring Peter (UK) On 19 August 2014 00:54, Pamela Slate wrote: > Hi All, > I'm the grateful recipient of a bulb of H. stellaris and am looking for > input from you about its horticulture and acclimatization to my conditions. > > From leo@possi.org Tue, 19 Aug 2014 01:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <6e4d6466ea09ae03770102cf90d6ed60.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Help with Hessea stellaris Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 00:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Pamela Slate asked what to do with Hessea stellaris in the metro Phoenix area. I have grown a number of Hessea and Strumaria from seed. Here they behave as fall/winter/spring growers, going dormant in the summer. They are very tough plants and survive a lot of neglect. I would plant your new bulb in a deep container of a sandy mix. I have good luck with 20 or 32 ounce foam cups (holding about 2/3 to 1 liter; they are 6 inches / 15cm tall.) Set the neck just below the soil surface so nothing is showing. Make sure the bulb is well-settled by tapping the container on the ground a few times. Put it into your house in a warm window unless you keep your house in the 70s F. Begin watering when either it starts growing, or nights have been good and cool for 2-3 weeks. It will probably start growing on its own at the right time. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From othonna@gmail.com Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Hannon Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 139, Issue 17 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:12:12 -0700 A few considerations regarding Schizobasis. We can agree that Schizobasis is a validly published name but that is not much more than a technical aspect of nomenclature. Whether it is taxonomically useful is another matter, the one of most concern to end users like growers and botanists. Ideally we should not have to mull over the phylogenetics of hyacinthoid monocots and the veracity of associated classification schemes every time we wish to know what to call our bulbs. The folks who are employed in that job have decided recently that S. intricata should be referred to as Drimia intricata to more accurately reflect the most current understanding of this species and its relationship to its closest allies. One might have thought Bowiea was the closest relative of Schizobasis but that turns out not to be the case at all according to DNA analysis. Still, it can be argued that Schizobasis is a useful name, a concept with abstract predictive value. This remains true even if current scientific consensus says that it is only a subset of Drimia, whether formal (subgenus, section, etc.) or informal. So we can continue to say "Isn't that a lovely Schizobasis!" and not really offend anyone. Who are we worried about offending by a misstep in naming anyway? We can recognize the utility of this name and at the same time realize that its rank in the formal classification of Hyacinthaceae is nullified, at least for now. There are many examples in other groups where we make similar references without any fuss: Oncocyclus, Neochilenia, Manfreda, etc. Additionally, it seems clear that Schizobasis is comprised of more than one species, all the more reason to use this name as a general reference for a very distinctive little group of bulbs. Dylan Hannon From dee@deeandbill.com Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Dee Foster Subject: Scilla Maderensis Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 16:50:25 -0700 Just in case any of you have been trying to find this fairly rare bulb, Longfield Gardens has them for a very reasonable price: http://www.longfield-gardens.com/plantname/Scilla-Maderensis I have been looking for a year for this bulb, and the only ones I could find previously were on Ebay, and going for seven or eight times the price of Longfield, so I was very happy to stumble across these! Dee Foster in Newport Beach, CA Zone 10b Where we are anxiously praying for rain---someday! From greg@alpacamanagement.com Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <53F3EAA6.1050003@alpacamanagement.com> From: Greg Ruckert Subject: Plant Names, was Schizobasis intricata Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 09:54:06 +0930 A couple of weeks ago I asked if the PBS had expressed interest in being involved in the e-Monocot project. The response was deafening in its silence. The aroid part of the project is growing in leaps and bounds and, quite honestly, is now the definitive, most up to date, site for aroid nomenclature. Combining the pictures on the wiki with the knowledge in e-Monocot would give most of the answers. Here is a recently released video in the project; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOJWXQ4A_eQ&feature=youtu.be Greg Ruckert Nairne, South Australia On 19/08/2014 12:30 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > When I first started working on the wiki I didn't know very much about > how plants get their names. I know a lot more now, but I'm sure there > are members of this list who know a lot more than I do. It has been > very challenging to decide what name to use on the wiki. I used to > believe that botanical names were the way that people could know that > they are all talking about the same thing, but I no longer think that > is true. And if the Internet makes it easier to publish new species > that could make it even harder. As a number of people on this list > have noted over the years, if you include the name of the person who > published that name after the botanical name you are technically > correct even if no one uses that name any more. > > Someone suggested that we use IPNI > http://www.ipni.org/ipni/plantnamesearchpage.do > and for awhile we did until we understood that it is a listing of > published names of plants and not necessarily the ones that people are > using at the moment. If you put in Schizobasis intricata you will find > that it is a published name. > > Kew had a monocot checklist and for awhile we used that to verify > names since the majority of wiki species were monocots. This list has > gradually added other families besides monocots, but I'm not sure if > all of the wiki families are included. > http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/home.do > I still like to use it some times as it offers helpful information. If > you used it to search for Schizobasis intricata you would learn that > it is in the family Asparagaceae and was first published by Baker by > that name in 1874. In 1872 he first published this plant under the > name Anthericum intricatum. In 2000 Manning and Goldblatt published a > new name for this species, Drimia intricata. If you click on that name > you will learn that it is distributed from Ethiopia, Tanzania to S. > Africa and is a bulb geophyte and is an accepted name (but it doesn't > tell you by whom.) There is a link to other sources that may or may > not have further information. > > I used to also look at Tropicos, the Missouri Botanical Garden's > database of plant names. > http://www.tropicos.org/ > It describes itself this way: > Tropicos® was originally created for internal research but has since > been made available to the world’s scientific community. All of the > nomenclatural, bibliographic, and specimen data accumulated in MBG’s > electronic databases during the past 25 years are publicly available > here. This system has over 1.2 million scientific names and 4.0 > million specimen records. If you search in it you will find both > Drimia intricata and Schizobasis intricata so they have it covered > either way. > > Sometimes Kew and Tropicos agreed so we felt somewhat safe in using a > name listed in both. But then the Plant List was suggested as a resource. > http://www.theplantlist.org/ > It describes itself as a working list of all known plant species. It > aims to be comprehensive for species of Vascular plant (flowering > plants, conifers, ferns and their allies) and of Bryophytes (mosses > and liverworts). Collaboration between the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew > and Missouri Botanical Garden enabled the creation of The Plant List > by combining multiple checklist data sets held by these institutions > and other collaborators. So using it meant we didn't have to check > both of the above. It lists 1,064,035 scientific plant names of > species rank. Of these 350,699 are accepted species name. The others > are either synonyms or unresolved. So only a third of those names are > "accepted". And they note it is a work in progress and not perfect. If > you check Schizobasis intricata in the Plant List you will find that > it is the accepted name (3 stars confidence) and Drimia intricata is a > synonym. > > Another resource to use for South African plants is the SANBI check list. > http://posa.sanbi.org/searchspp.php > I like to look at it as it seems reasonable to me that local botanists > are likely to be current on their plants (but that may depend on > whether someone has transferred their data to the internet.) But even > if the information is current it doesn't mean that everyone around the > world is going to agree and accept their findings. Looking up > Schizobasis intricata here you will find that it is in the > Hyacinthaceae family and is a synonym for Drimia intricata and is > Perennial. Climber, geophyte. Ht 0.05-0.69m. Alt 250-5540m. > > So what do we call it if someone is kind enough to send photos to the > wiki? Toss a coin? Either of these would be correct: > Schizobasis intricata (Baker) Baker > Drimia intricata (Baker) J.C.Manning & Goldblatt > > If you are still with me and I'm sure I've lost some folks by now, it > is possible that someone will decide to take on this plant and do a > more historical search and find that someone else was first in naming > this plant and therefore the name should be changed even if it has > been used for a very long time under a different name and all the > resource books would now be out of date under that name. Or perhaps > there was a spelling mistake that now needs to be corrected. It makes > it so hard for any resource to keep up to date with what to call a > plant. And as we found with Albuca into Ornithogalum back to Albuca, > even the experts can change their minds. Anyone for common names? > > Mary Sue > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From k.preteroti@verizon.net Wed, 20 Aug 2014 08:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kenneth Subject: Scilla Maderensis Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 11:17:12 -0400 Thank you for the heads up Dee. My grandfather was from Madeira. Moved to Brazil then to British Guyana and finally the USA at the turn of the 20th century. He did enjoy gardening so maybe a plant from his birth place as a memory. Ken P Old Bridge, NJ Zone 6b From dee@deeandbill.com Wed, 20 Aug 2014 10:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Dee Foster Subject: Scilla Maderensis Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 10:06:33 -0700 Sounds like your grand dad was an adventurer! Hope to get to Madeira someday--it looks very beautiful. Dee On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Kenneth wrote: > Thank you for the heads up Dee. My grandfather was from Madeira. Moved to > Brazil then to British Guyana and finally the USA at the turn of the 20th > century. He did enjoy gardening so maybe a plant from his birth place as a > memory. > > Ken P > Old Bridge, NJ > Zone 6b > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From agoston.janos123@gmail.com Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "J. Agoston" Subject: image theft - somewhat off Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 20:52:17 +0200 Dear All, I know it has been discussed in this list several times, but it seems to be an evergreen topic. Today i heard about a new app of a search provider. You just download it to your browser, set the options menu and you can search for a picture on the internet. I did a search just for curiosity and i have seen my picture downloaded from the PBS website, cut off my watermark and put it on a russian, american, lithuanian website. Now if they use the original link and would leave the watermark intact i would not have a problem. But they put their own watermark on it and sell their stuff. So now i'll just send out a couple of letters to remove my pictures right now. I'm raging now, not because i would demand money, but they could just state my name. A lot of people took the time and provided the wiki with their own pictures, to let people see how those plants look like, most of them spend a lot of money to have a new plant in their collection, and then they share the knowledge. For these people i'm very thankful, because i first check PBS wiki for reliable info and pictures of a plant, since my knowledge is limited. So if anyone is interested in the app, which is free, here is the link: http://www.google.com/intl/en/insidesearch/features/images/searchbyimage.html my original picture: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/LiliumAsiaticSectionTwo#henryi and here is the website with the stolen picture: http://shop.design-sada.ru/index.php?productID=3265 I myself look for a new way to watermark my pictures, because i still feel that uploading them to the wiki is a good thing. Thank you for your time! Janos From agoston.janos123@gmail.com Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "J. Agoston" Subject: image theft - somewhat off Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 20:55:42 +0200 One more thing i forgot. It would be really nice from search engine providers to have a link or menu where we can notify them of the image theft. Maybe they will index the notorious picture stealers much less often, or not show them in their search results as long as they keep the stolen pictures up. Just a thought. From kimcmich@hotmail.com Wed, 20 Aug 2014 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: image theft - somewhat off Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:39:12 -0700 Greetings, It is, as they say in America, a bitter "pill to swallow" but it is likely for everyone's benefit if internet image "borrowing" is not taken as cause for offense or anger. First, not all of the people involved in this practice intend to defraud anyone (though there are some who clearly do). A humble plant grower in a developing country is not really harming you by using your photo for illustration purposes. I doubt the photos you took were taken with the intent of selling them to foreign nurserymen, anyway. Why get worked up about it? Clearly, if one is a professional photographer, no one can fault you for guarding your livelihood... but if one is merely a hobbyist photographer, I would suggest looking at internet appropriation as the highest form of flattery. In my own experience, the free availability of images on the internet in invaluable when looking for images of rare plants, animals, etc. I am sure some of the images I have found when I needed a visual for some species have come from places that had appropriated the creator's original without permission. But the plethora of images one can easily access when a visual aide is important - which would inevitably be reduced if strict reporting & take-down were the rule rather than the exception, is a considerable Public Good. I take solace in my contributions (even if unintended) to that good rather than dwelling on picyune trangressions against things like my photos whose value to me is not actually reduced by such appropriation. -| Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 20:55:42 +0200 > From: agoston.janos123@gmail.com > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] image theft - somewhat off > > One more thing i forgot. > It would be really nice from search engine providers to have a link or menu > where we can notify them of the image theft. Maybe they will index the > notorious picture stealers much less often, or not show them in their > search results as long as they keep the stolen pictures up. > > Just a thought. From dkramb@badbear.com Wed, 20 Aug 2014 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: image theft - somewhat off Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 15:56:52 -0400 I find it annoying and absurd when I see Iris photos that I took 15 years ago being used (without permission) on eBay and such. First of all, those pictures are old & crappy compared to my newer photos. Secondly, how can you be so lame to grow Irises for sale & yet be too lazy to take your own photos. Pretty damned pathetic. If you're going to steal my pics, at least steal the good ones. Dennis in Cincinnati From robertpries@embarqmail.com Wed, 20 Aug 2014 14:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <2034404309.34757613.1408564778526.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> From: "Robert Pries " Subject: image theft - somewhat off Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 15:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Perhaps the only recourse today for punishing unethical behavior is exposing it. The American Iris Society recently had a nasty information theft. As the world’s registrar for iris we have an only checklist called The Register. The register has all registered names and all names that have been reserved by hybridizers for future use listed. Only irises since 1950 have their registration descriptions there. It is useful to hybridizers to check if a name has been used already so they do not try to register that name for a new iris. AIS also has the Iris Encyclopedia which is a wiki like the PBS wiki but just for irises and the iris family. A couple of month’s ago we got E-mails saying ‘All Things Plants’ had stolen the wiki. Actually on checking it out they had copied to their files the Iris Register. This was very obvious since they listed all the irises that did not yet exist but had names reserved. Upon further research we discovered they did the same to the daylily society, the daffodil society and even to the Royal Horticultural Society. ATP seems to be an immense platform of stolen material. Some of the societies decided they could not fight it and just got a link back as a reward. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Kramb" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 3:56:52 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] image theft - somewhat off I find it annoying and absurd when I see Iris photos that I took 15 years ago being used (without permission) on eBay and such. First of all, those pictures are old & crappy compared to my newer photos. Secondly, how can you be so lame to grow Irises for sale & yet be too lazy to take your own photos. Pretty damned pathetic. If you're going to steal my pics, at least steal the good ones. Dennis in Cincinnati -- Bob Pries Zone 7a Roxboro, NC (336)597-8805 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From teck11@embarqmail.com Wed, 20 Aug 2014 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <00cc01cfbcc2$8a3ffb80$9ebff280$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: image theft - somewhat off Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 18:03:03 -0400 I've noticed people who show stolen photos on eBay do so because they do not raise their own but simply buy and sell. -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Kramb Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 3:57 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] image theft - somewhat off I find it annoying and absurd when I see Iris photos that I took 15 years ago being used (without permission) on eBay and such. First of all, those pictures are old & crappy compared to my newer photos. Secondly, how can you be so lame to grow Irises for sale & yet be too lazy to take your own photos. Pretty damned pathetic. If you're going to steal my pics, at least steal the good ones. Dennis in Cincinnati From kjblack@pacbell.net Wed, 20 Aug 2014 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1408572493.47498.YahooMailNeo@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> From: Ken Subject: The 2014 Brunsvigia season has arrived here in San Diego ... Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 15:08:13 -0700 Perhaps a bit earlier this year than in previous years.  I've created an album of some of this year's blooms on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/sets/72157646260234719/ Ken Blackford San Diego, California.  USDA zone 10. From teck11@embarqmail.com Wed, 20 Aug 2014 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <00cd01cfbcc3$7f7a2670$7e6e7350$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: crinum pollen Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 18:10:04 -0400 Thanks to those who responded to my previous request for pollen. I am now in need of C. carolo-schmidtii as mine did not bloom (yet) this year. I have a lot of pollens in the fridge if anybody needs some and it looks like C. graminicola soon will be a welcome addition this year. Tim From 64kkmjr@gmail.com Wed, 20 Aug 2014 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com> Subject: The 2014 Brunsvigia season has arrived here in San Diego ... Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 15:52:15 -0700 Hi Ken, Fantastic photos! Any chance you'll be sending any seeds from your B. Josephine X Amaryllis belladonna cross to the BX? You gave what looks like a really great garden. Living in CA central valley I envy those who live in areas like yours. Thanks for sharing, Karl Church Dinuba, CA zone 9b On Aug 20, 2014 3:08 PM, "Ken" wrote: > Perhaps a bit earlier this year than in previous years. I've created an > album of some of this year's blooms on Flickr: > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/sets/72157646260234719/ > > Ken Blackford > San Diego, California. USDA zone 10. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From leo@possi.org Wed, 20 Aug 2014 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <6933294c1b8c2fd6bce6a0fd03a73750.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Schizobasis intricata Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 16:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Schizobasis intricata is often grown by succulentists as a miniature, but it's not small in habitat. A friend saw it in Africa in 1997 and said bulbs got to be bigger than softballs, and spread to cover a planted bed along a building that was many feet long by over 3 feet wide. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From leo@possi.org Wed, 20 Aug 2014 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <85e78c6c98d77b42db1cb491f4cc34ec.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: image theft - somewhat off Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 16:45:40 -0700 (PDT) People in all cultures all over the world understand stealing is wrong. This includes people in eastern Europe and people from developing countries. The fact that somebody would go to the trouble of removing the photographer's watermark and replacing it with their own, pretending the image is their own, proves they understand they are stealing. If they are willing to steal other people's images and replace identifying information with their own, they are not going to be honest in business, either. All a person has to do is request permission from the original author, who will often agree. The author's name is clearly shown on the PBS Wiki, along with contact information for those maintaining the Wiki. If the author refuses permission to use the image the person needs to find the image somewhere else. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From k.preteroti@verizon.net Wed, 20 Aug 2014 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kenneth Subject: The 2014 Brunsvigia season has arrived here in San Diego ... Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 19:49:43 -0400 Great job on the pictures. Really like the succulent garden Ken. Cannot wait for mine to get large enough to flower. Ken P Old Bridge, NJ Zone 6b From fosterjp@cox.net Wed, 20 Aug 2014 19:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <53F5357A.5000507@cox.net> From: Jim Foster Subject: Plant names Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 16:55:38 -0700 I don't care what they call it now but my Schizobasis intricata will remain so. The name is simply too cool to give up no matter what the lumper/splitters say. From peter.scaevola@gmail.com Wed, 20 Aug 2014 17:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Peter Franks" Subject: image theft - somewhat off Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 10:13:20 +1000 Hi Leo "People in all cultures all over the world understand stealing is wrong. This includes people in eastern Europe and people from developing countries." Puts me in mind of another instance of image theft some years ago but under different circumstances. An Australian orchid grower had published an illustrated book. He found soon after that his images had been lifted by the postal service of a west African country without his consent. His images found new life adorning their stamps! Peter in soggy Sydney, Australia -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Leo A. Martin Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2014 9:46 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Re: [pbs] image theft - somewhat off People in all cultures all over the world understand stealing is wrong. This includes people in eastern Europe and people from developing countries. The fact that somebody would go to the trouble of removing the photographer's watermark and replacing it with their own, pretending the image is their own, proves they understand they are stealing. If they are willing to steal other people's images and replace identifying information with their own, they are not going to be honest in business, either. All a person has to do is request permission from the original author, who will often agree. The author's name is clearly shown on the PBS Wiki, along with contact information for those maintaining the Wiki. If the author refuses permission to use the image the person needs to find the image somewhere else. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From makimoff76@gmail.com Thu, 21 Aug 2014 06:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: mark akimoff Subject: Illahe Bulb catalog Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 05:31:05 -0700 The new 2014 bulb catalog is online now at www.illaherarebulbs.blogspot.com International shipping available. Thanks, Mark From plicht@berkeley.edu Thu, 21 Aug 2014 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Paul LICHT Subject: The 2014 Brunsvigia season has arrived here in San Diego ... Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 11:08:09 -0700 Interesting timing. All of our B. josephine opened this week in the UC Botanical Garden at Berkeley. One might expect timing to differ somewhat between southern and northern areas. Paul -- Paul Licht, Director University of California Botanical Garden 200 Centennial Drive Berkeley, CA 94720 (510)-643-8999http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ken wrote: > Perhaps a bit earlier this year than in previous years. I've created an > album of some of this year's blooms on Flickr: > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/sets/72157646260234719/ > > Ken Blackford > San Diego, California. USDA zone 10. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From kimcmich@hotmail.com Thu, 21 Aug 2014 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: The 2014 Brunsvigia season has arrived here in San Diego ... Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 11:47:10 -0700 Greetings, Bloom timing varies in much smaller scales. I'm a few miles and a few hundred meters below you, in south Berkeley, and my B. josephinae put up one bloom a month ago. Then, quite to my surprise, a second stalk emerged from the same bulb 2 weeks after is just starting to open flowers now. -| Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 11:08:09 -0700 > From: plicht@berkeley.edu > > Interesting timing. All of our B. josephine opened this week in the UC > Botanical Garden at Berkeley. One might expect timing to differ somewhat > between southern and northern areas. From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Sat, 23 Aug 2014 10:17:09 -0700 Message-Id: <1408811423.51702.YahooMailNeo@web121306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Pamianthe and Leptochiton Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 09:30:23 -0700 I potted up the germinated Pamianthe peruviana seeds this morning: my lot was seven seeds and each one germinated.  I've been looking at Pamianthe images on the wiki and elsewhere since I acquired these seeds, and something far in the back of my mind kept bugging me about the images I was seeing. Today I realized what it was, and in doing so my knowledge of neotropical amaryllids expanded by one genus.  I learned about the genus Pamianthe about fifty years ago from the New Illustrated Encyclopedia of Gardening edited by T.H. Everett. This was published in 1960. The description there is accompanied by an illustration of something which is obviously an amaryllid, but, as I learned this morning,  not a Pamianthe. In a happy coincidence, a friend who is downsizing dropped off a his copy of the 1976 Edition 8 of Exotica 3 a few days ago. In checking for pictures of Pamianthe I spotted a photo which is the same photo which appears in the New Illustrated Encyclopedia. But in Exotica it is labeled Leptochiton quitoensis.  No wonder the images on the wiki were so different from what I remembered!  Leptochiton seems to have two species, L. quitoensis and L. helianthus (this one, as the name suggests, has yellow flowers). The names are listed on the wiki but nothing more.  Are any of you growing either of these? Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where it's time to get the wet bark dust from under my fingernails and get some lunch going.  From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Sat, 23 Aug 2014 10:17:09 -0700 Message-Id: From: Alberto Subject: Pamianthe and Leptochiton Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 16:43:20 +0000 L. heliantha was orignally published by an amateur in a very different genus, as Hymenocallis heliantha. It is a striking species with oversized staminal cups. From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Sat, 23 Aug 2014 10:17:09 -0700 Message-Id: <1408812653.85220.YahooMailNeo@web121301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Pamianthe and Leptochiton Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 09:50:53 -0700 Yes, I know Alberto, it was published by your favorite author.  :  ) Note that Leptochiton is masculine (Greek; the -on ending might suggest that it's neuter but it's masculine) so the name is Leptochiton helianthus, not R's heliantha. And, for those of you who follow the text book rules for placement of the stress, the i in chiton is short, thus the stress drops back a syllable: lep-TO-chi-ton.  Jim McKenney  From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat, 23 Aug 2014 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Ammocharis ID Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 12:41:07 -0700 Ernst Specks has sent me photos of two Ammocharis species from Tanzania and would like help identifying them. Are any of you closely familiar with species from this region, and willing to assist? Thanks, Jane McGary From arnold140@verizon.net Sat, 23 Aug 2014 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <11219124.744027.1408826121385.JavaMail.root@vms170035> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: Leptochiton Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:35:21 -0500 (CDT) Jim: Kubitzki lists 2-3 species for Leptochiton. There are line drawings of Flower and Ovary. If you really interested I'll scan and email to you privately. Native to SW Ecuador and NW Peru. Arnold Leptochiton seems to have two species, L. quitoensis and L. helianthus (this one, as the name suggests, has yellow flowers). The names are listed on the wiki but nothing more. Are any of you growing either of these? Jim McKenney From ds429@frontier.com Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <373089.95309.bm@smtp217.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Subject: Leptochiton Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:35:35 +0000 I suggest that we ask Alan Meerow, Alan, are you there? Sent from Windows Mail From: arnold140@verizon.net Sent: ‎Saturday‎, ‎August‎ ‎23‎, ‎2014 ‎4‎:‎35‎ ‎PM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Jim: Kubitzki lists 2-3 species for Leptochiton. There are line drawings of Flower and Ovary. If you really interested I'll scan and email to you privately. Native to SW Ecuador and NW Peru. Arnold Leptochiton seems to have two species, L. quitoensis and L. helianthus (this one, as the name suggests, has yellow flowers). The names are listed on the wiki but nothing more. Are any of you growing either of these? Jim McKenney _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1408831338.82791.YahooMailNeo@web121301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Leptochiton Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 15:02:18 -0700 Thanks for the offer, Arnold. But I think I'm unlikely to be in the lucky position of having to key out any Leptochiton. Of course, a few years ago I might have said the same thing about Pamianthe, which back then was just as obscure to me . But I'll keep your reference in mind just in case.  Jim McKenney From arnold140@verizon.net Sat, 23 Aug 2014 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <14492861.751619.1408833910988.JavaMail.root@vms170035> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: Leptochiton Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 17:45:10 -0500 (CDT) Jim: It's not a key just some line drawings of what the flower and ovary look like. Arnold On 08/23/14, Jim McKenney wrote: Thanks for the offer, Arnold. But I think I'm unlikely to be in the lucky position of having to key out any Leptochiton. Of course, a few years ago I might have said the same thing about Pamianthe, which back then was just as obscure to me . But I'll keep your reference in mind just in case. Jim McKenney From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Sun, 24 Aug 2014 08:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <53F9FE8F.9030806@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Telos Half Price Sale Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 08:02:39 -0700 Dear Friends: I am discontinuing most Crinums since I just don't have the space to grow them any more. I will keep some of the less common ones. I have C. bulbispermum in red and white or pink colors, C. macowanii, C. moorei and C. delagoense. Some bulbs are enormous, so I can't offer them to the BX since the work of unpotting and sending them would be considerable, so I am offering them at half price. I will be trimming roots to send them, and can't ship until after September. You can either e-mail me if you want to order some or print out an order form from the web site. Also: All Oxalis are half price starting September 1. Here's your chance to get some you don't have!! Offer lasts until sold out. Diana Telos Rare Bulbs From ds429@frontier.com Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1408910467.71490.YahooMailBasic@web163103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: ds429 Subject: Telos Half Price Sale --> New BX policy Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:01:07 -0700 Dear Diana, Your message compels me to announce that the PBS BX, as I run it, will not any longer offer or ship large bulbs. The costs and labor are beyond my/our resources. Donations of bulbs that are two inches or less in diameter will still be welcomed. I hope that folks who have large bulbs to share will list them (without prices) on the PBS forum and then negotiate with interested parties privately. Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 8/24/14, Diana Chapman wrote: Subject: [pbs] Telos Half Price Sale To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014, 11:02 AM Dear Friends: I am discontinuing most Crinums since I just don't have the space to grow them any more.  I will keep some of the less common ones.  I have C. bulbispermum in red and white or pink colors, C. macowanii, C. moorei and C. delagoense.  Some bulbs are enormous, so I can't offer them to the BX since the work of unpotting and sending them would be considerable, so I am offering them at half price.   I will be trimming roots to send them, and can't ship until after September.  You can either e-mail me if you want to order some or print out an order form from the web site. Also:  All Oxalis are half price starting September 1.  Here's your chance to get some you don't have!!  Offer lasts until sold out. Diana Telos Rare Bulbs _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <53FA4596.10002@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Telos Half Price Sale --> New BX policy Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:05:42 -0700 Makes sense, Dell. I couldn't afford to ship them to you, so I am sure you couldn't afford to ship them either. I took one bulb out this morning for an order and it weighed over 3lbs. I won't make any money selling them at half price, but it's a shame to dump them all when others could enjoy them. Diana > Dear Diana, > > Your message compels me to announce that the PBS BX, as I run it, will not any longer offer or ship large bulbs. The costs and labor are beyond my/our resources. Donations of bulbs that are two inches or less in diameter will still be welcomed. > > I hope that folks who have large bulbs to share will list them (without prices) on the PBS forum and then negotiate with interested parties privately. > > Best wishes, > Dell > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > -------------------------------------------- > On Sun, 8/24/14, Diana Chapman wrote: > > Subject: [pbs] Telos Half Price Sale > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" > Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014, 11:02 AM > > Dear Friends: > > I am discontinuing most Crinums since I just don't have the > space to > grow them any more. I will keep some of the less > common ones. I have > C. bulbispermum in red and white or pink colors, C. > macowanii, C. moorei > and C. delagoense. Some bulbs are enormous, so I can't > offer them to > the BX since the work of unpotting and sending them would be > > considerable, so I am offering them at half > price. I will be trimming > roots to send them, and can't ship until after > September. You can > either e-mail me if you want to order some or print out an > order form > from the web site. > > Also: All Oxalis are half price starting September > 1. Here's your > chance to get some you don't have!! Offer lasts until > sold out. > > Diana > Telos Rare Bulbs > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From totototo@telus.net Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <53FA008E.2758.131892@localhost> From: "Rodger Whitlock" Subject: Growing Cyclamen purpurascens in an uncongenial climate Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:11:10 -0700 For years I've unsuccessfully attempted Cyclamen purpurascens here in Victoria, BC and can finally report some success. I understand C. p. to be largely a plant of Central Europe: Czechia, perhaps Slovakia and Poland, with populations in northern Italy as well. In captivity, so I have read, it thrives in Chicago gardens, but here in Victoria the combination of bone dry summers, dripping wet winters, and (in my own garden) heavy, poorly drained soil has caused seedlings to repeatedlybtake one look around after being planted out, then depart for the heavenly compost pile. Until now. My house has a small masonry planter to the right of the carport, perhaps 3' long front to back, 1' wide, and 2' deep. Its purpose appears to be to prevent cars entering the carport from taking out a support post on the front right of the entrance. There is narrow roof extension over that planter, and it gets little direct sun, being north facing and shaded from the west by a large Cedrus deodora. The planter is filled with reasonably well drained soil, and gets watered regularly during our summer drought. As I write, three specimens of C. p. are flowering in that planter for the secnd or third year in succession. One of these came from the late Daphne Guernsey's garden, the other two are seedlings. Essentially, that small planter enjoys a climate with an annual precipitation pattern exactly reverse to Victoria's, dryish in winter (thanks to the roof projection), moist in summer. In addition it's in deep enough shade that the soil is not overheated by the sun in summer. Note that the temperature regime in that planter is Victoria's usual mild maritime climate; summer temperatures rarely over 75F, winter temperatures hovring day and night around 42F, with occasional excursions to below freezing. Luck? Probably. Skill? No, just dumb luck finally siting C. p. in the one spot in my garden suitable for it. Others in Mediterranean climates may want to emulate the conditions my C. p. have; success may yet be yours. Questions and comments welcome, as always, but please reply publicly via the mailing list, not privately. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Z. 7-8, cool Mediterranean climate From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun, 24 Aug 2014 19:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: First fall bulbs Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:52:15 -0700 After an unusually hot summer punctuated by equally unusual thunderstorms (including a massive hailstorm about 6 weeks ago), the first fall bulb flowers are appearing in Portland, Oregon. A week ago Colchicum kotschyi flowered in the bulb house; it is usually the first one to appear. Colchicum macrophyllum followed in a few days, still in the bulb house although I keep meaning to get it and its massive spring foliage out of its fairly moist corner and into the open garden. Today a row of little tessellated colchicums opened in the bulb lawn, which is now the dry brownish turf that you get if you leave grass to its own devices in this winter-wet, summer dry climate -- the winter-growing grasses overwhelm the summer-growing ones in a few years, and the former go dormant in summer despite weekly watering. Colchicum 'Innocence', formerly called C. byzantinum 'Album', appeared under a Douglas fir in company with Ceratostigma plumbaginoides, which I hope will form a ground cover for a bed planted with colchicums for fall and daffodils for spring. Also under the Douglas firs, and one of the few plants that will grow there, is Cyclamen hederifolium, mixed white and pink. I also spotted the first flowers on Cyclamen hederifolium subsp confusum, a particularly strong pink. Acis autumnalis, the autumn snowflake (formerly in Leucojum), is widely grown and is showing up here and there. It is almost weedy in this area so it's mostly coming up through mat-forming plants such as penstemons, thymes, and so on; some are among the "black mondo grass," Ophiopogon planiscapus f. nigrescens, which is particularly pleasing. Even more pleasing is a close relative of the autumn snowflake, Acis valentina (or valentinus; I'm not sure what gender has finally been decided on for Acis, which as a common noun is feminine in Greek, anyway). A. valentina is slightly more robust than A. autumnalis, and the cup-shaped flowers are pure white rather than flushed with pink at the base. I had a pot full of seedlings when I moved here three years ago. It lost its label, and I misidentified the bulbs as Galanthus and popped them into an ordinary perennial and shrub bed. They have proven very hardy (we had temperatures in the mid-teens F last winter, twice) and enjoy the well-mulched clay soil. I must remember to lift them next July and spread them out. Amaryllis belladonna has not deigned to bloom (as usual) but it did survive the winter. Someday I hope it will pop up its naked stems, silhouetted against a wall now becoming clothed in the pretty patterned leaves of Parthenocissus henryana. Two of its close neighbors also survived despite my lack of optimism: Iris unguicularis, which appears able to grow anywhere, and Alstroemeria isabellanae, a plant that has entered commerce here recently. I think the latter is Brazilian, so it gets summer water and flowers in late summer, much visited by hummingbirds. It spreads underground and pops up here and there through the mat of Parthenocissus foliage. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA} From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun, 24 Aug 2014 19:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Growing Cyclamen purpurascens in an uncongenial climate Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:57:52 -0700 I have had the same experience with Cyclamen purpurascens as Rodger Whitlock reports, and he is right. The best way to keep it going on the North American west coast is in pots, under a roof. On the other hand, it is grown beautifully in the US Midwest (and presumably in adjacent Canadian provinces, with their hard winters. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA At 03:11 PM 8/24/2014, you wrote: >For years I've unsuccessfully attempted Cyclamen purpurascens here >in Victoria, >BC and can finally report some success. > >I understand C. p. to be largely a plant of Central Europe: Czechia, perhaps >Slovakia and Poland, with populations in northern Italy as well. In >captivity, >so I have read, it thrives in Chicago gardens, but here in Victoria the >combination of bone dry summers, dripping wet winters, and (in my own garden) >heavy, poorly drained soil has caused seedlings to repeatedlybtake one look >around after being planted out, then depart for the heavenly compost pile. >Others in Mediterranean climates may want to emulate the conditions my C. p. >have; success may yet be yours. From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <53FAA7D7.60804@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Telos Half Price Sale Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:04:55 -0700 I think I need to clarify some things. You still must meet the $25 minimum to order and pay the $20 shipping charge. You can't order one bulb. It is going to be a lot of work for me to unpot and clean these enormous bulbs, and I doubt I will break even on this. You can combine them with other things for an order. I expect to take all of them out of the pots early October. Any that aren't spoken for then will be discarded. The 50% off only applies to the Crinums listed below and all Oxalis currently not sold out on the web site, it doesn't apply to other things. You can order Oxalis now at 50% off, forget what I said about September 1. I was going to clear my other Oxalis orders, but it's OK to order now. Diana Telos > Dear Friends: > > I am discontinuing most Crinums since I just don't have the space to > grow them any more. I will keep some of the less common ones. I have > C. bulbispermum in red and white or pink colors, C. macowanii, C. > moorei and C. delagoense. Some bulbs are enormous, so I can't offer > them to the BX since the work of unpotting and sending them would be > considerable, so I am offering them at half price. I will be > trimming roots to send them, and can't ship until after September. > You can either e-mail me if you want to order some or print out an > order form from the web site. > > Also: All Oxalis are half price starting September 1. Here's your > chance to get some you don't have!! Offer lasts until sold out. > > Diana > Telos Rare Bulbs > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From robin@hansennursery.com Sun, 24 Aug 2014 21:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <13B6AD92FAE14E17889CB56761486514@RobinPC> From: "Robin Hansen" Subject: Growing Cyclamen purpurascens in an uncongenial climate Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:41:21 -0700 When I was in Denver, Colorado a few years ago, C purp was the most common cyclamen I observed in gardens, sometimes without as much shade as I thought it should have, as it looked a bit crispy. I'm told that even at 5,200 feet, Denver doesn't always get much snow cover. I haven't had time to get it planted out in the garden except once, and it appears not to tolerate much competition at least on the West Coast. It does do well in my shade house down to about 12 degrees F, in pots with well-drained mix. On the other hand hederifolium and coum are doing well in the grass of my lawn, in very sandy soil, in full sun. Robin Hansen Southwest coast of Oregon From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Bill Welch via pbs Subject: Telos Half Price Sale Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:17:40 -0700 Hi Diana, Do you have C moorei in colors other than the standard pink one? Best wishes, Bill the Bulb Baron (William R.P. Welch) website: www.BilltheBulbBaron.com (click on: Availability List) William R.P. Welch, 1031 Cayuga Street Apt B, Santa Cruz, CA 95062, USA (831) 236-8397 On Aug 24, 2014, at 8:04 PM, Diana Chapman wrote: > I think I need to clarify some things. You still must meet the $25 minimum to order and pay the $20 shipping charge. You can't order one bulb. It is going to be a lot of work for me to unpot and clean these enormous bulbs, and I doubt I will break even on this. You can combine them with other things for an order. I expect to take all of them out of the pots early October. Any that aren't spoken for then will be discarded. The 50% off only applies to the Crinums listed below and all Oxalis currently not sold out on the web site, it doesn't apply to other things. You can order Oxalis now at 50% off, forget what I said about September 1. I was going to clear my other Oxalis orders, but it's OK to order now. > > Diana > Telos >> Dear Friends: >> >> I am discontinuing most Crinums since I just don't have the space to grow them any more. I will keep some of the less common ones. I have C. bulbispermum in red and white or pink colors, C. macowanii, C. moorei and C. delagoense. Some bulbs are enormous, so I can't offer them to the BX since the work of unpotting and sending them would be considerable, so I am offering them at half price. I will be trimming roots to send them, and can't ship until after September. You can either e-mail me if you want to order some or print out an order form from the web site. >> >> Also: All Oxalis are half price starting September 1. Here's your chance to get some you don't have!! Offer lasts until sold out. >> >> Diana >> Telos Rare Bulbs >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <53FB7217.7020707@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Telos Half Price Sale Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:27:51 -0700 No, just the pink one. Diana > Hi Diana, > > Do you have C moorei in colors other than the standard pink one? > > Best wishes, > > Bill the Bulb Baron (William R.P. Welch) > > website: www.BilltheBulbBaron.com > (click on: Availability List) > > William R.P. Welch, 1031 Cayuga Street Apt B, Santa Cruz, CA 95062, USA (831) 236-8397 > > On Aug 24, 2014, at 8:04 PM, Diana Chapman wrote: > >> I think I need to clarify some things. You still must meet the $25 minimum to order and pay the $20 shipping charge. You can't order one bulb. It is going to be a lot of work for me to unpot and clean these enormous bulbs, and I doubt I will break even on this. You can combine them with other things for an order. I expect to take all of them out of the pots early October. Any that aren't spoken for then will be discarded. The 50% off only applies to the Crinums listed below and all Oxalis currently not sold out on the web site, it doesn't apply to other things. You can order Oxalis now at 50% off, forget what I said about September 1. I was going to clear my other Oxalis orders, but it's OK to order now. >> >> Diana >> Telos >>> Dear Friends: >>> >>> I am discontinuing most Crinums since I just don't have the space to grow them any more. I will keep some of the less common ones. I have C. bulbispermum in red and white or pink colors, C. macowanii, C. moorei and C. delagoense. Some bulbs are enormous, so I can't offer them to the BX since the work of unpotting and sending them would be considerable, so I am offering them at half price. I will be trimming roots to send them, and can't ship until after September. You can either e-mail me if you want to order some or print out an order form from the web site. >>> >>> Also: All Oxalis are half price starting September 1. Here's your chance to get some you don't have!! Offer lasts until sold out. >>> >>> Diana >>> Telos Rare Bulbs >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Tue, 26 Aug 2014 08:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <53FC9CDA.2020308@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Surplus bulbs Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 07:42:34 -0700 Dear All: I have been told that I can't offer things like the Crinums to PBS members because it is 'commercial'. If anyone has any ideas of how to dispose of bulbs like these I would like to hear it. These are very large bulbs, over ten years old and measuring up to 6" in diameter, weighing about 2lbs each (without the roots). I can't send them to the BX, they don't want bulbs like this. I can't send them free, it would cost me a fortune in postage, and I also have to unpot the lot of them myself, which at age 72 is going to be very difficult for me (my helpers don't work in the greenhouses where I use chemicals). I am not in a climate where they make good garden plants, it is too cold. I am off the beaten track, so getting help from members is not possible. It is very sad for me to discontinue these lovely bulbs. I let them go dry in the winter, then I water in spring and within four days they are all in bloom and are a magnificent sight. It is going to be really heartbreaking to take them to the dump. Diana Telos P.S. And, by the way, because someone asked, I am NOT going out of business, just trying to open up space and make my life easier. From teck11@embarqmail.com Tue, 26 Aug 2014 09:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <001a01cfc142$24f40d50$6edc27f0$@embarqmail.com> From: "Tim Eck" Subject: Surplus bulbs Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:26:40 -0400 Then you should just advertise the half price sale on your website. Whoops! I see you already did. So what's the problem? Tim Dear All: I have been told that I can't offer things like the Crinums to PBS members because it is 'commercial'. If anyone has any ideas of how to dispose of bulbs like these I would like to hear it. These are very large bulbs, over ten years old and measuring up to 6" in diameter, weighing about 2lbs each (without the roots). I can't send them to the BX, they don't want bulbs like this. From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Tue, 26 Aug 2014 09:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <53FCA962.701@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Surplus bulbs Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 08:36:02 -0700 The problem is that most are going to be destroyed!! That's the problem. PBS members are the most likely to want them, and to benefit but they might not be looking at the web site this time of year. Honestly, I thought I was doing a nice thing offering huge bulbs for a very nominal fee. I didn't think it would open a can of worms, and I am already regretting it. I will never do this again. Diana > Then you should just advertise the half price sale on your website. > Whoops! I see you already did. > So what's the problem? > Tim > > Dear All: > > I have been told that I can't offer things like the Crinums to PBS members > because it is 'commercial'. > > If anyone has any ideas of how to dispose of bulbs like these I would like > to hear it. These are very large bulbs, over ten years old and measuring up > to 6" in diameter, weighing about 2lbs each (without the roots). I can't > send them to the BX, they don't want bulbs like this. > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From ksayce@willapabay.org Tue, 26 Aug 2014 09:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: Acis valentina Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 08:58:35 -0700 Jane McGary wrote: Even more pleasing is a close relative of the autumn snowflake, Acis valentina (or valentinus; I'm not sure what gender has finally been decided on for Acis, which as a common noun is feminine in Greek, anyway). A. valentina is slightly more robust than A. autumnalis, and the cup-shaped flowers are pure white rather than flushed with pink at the base. Jane, if you ever have seeds, send some to the exchange! I’d love to expand on from Aciis autumnalis. Kathleen From zigur@hotmail.com Tue, 26 Aug 2014 09:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: Tim Harvey Subject: Surplus bulbs Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 08:59:10 -0700 If this is due to ibiblio rules it is high time PBS moved off the system. No attachments allowed in email is another. T > On Aug 26, 2014, at 8:36 AM, "Diana Chapman" wrote: > > The problem is that most are going to be destroyed!! That's the problem. PBS members are the most likely to want them, and to benefit but they might not be looking at the web site this time of year. Honestly, I thought I was doing a nice thing offering huge bulbs for a very nominal fee. I didn't think it would open a can of worms, and I am already regretting it. I will never do this again. > > Diana >> Then you should just advertise the half price sale on your website. >> Whoops! I see you already did. >> So what's the problem? >> Tim >> >> Dear All: >> >> I have been told that I can't offer things like the Crinums to PBS members >> because it is 'commercial'. >> >> If anyone has any ideas of how to dispose of bulbs like these I would like >> to hear it. These are very large bulbs, over ten years old and measuring up >> to 6" in diameter, weighing about 2lbs each (without the roots). I can't >> send them to the BX, they don't want bulbs like this. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From putman@pobox.upenn.edu Tue, 26 Aug 2014 09:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <53FCAEE1.9030509@pobox.upenn.edu> From: Stephen Putman Subject: Surplus bulbs Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:59:29 -0400 Been there. Done that. The commercial prohibition is what it is. You have to do it as an announcement of a fact. e.g. I am selling off all the worlds greatest ... for more information email me personally about this. Or, just do a mailing to everyone in your computer's address book. Steve On 8/26/2014 11:36 AM, Diana Chapman wrote: > The problem is that most are going to be destroyed!! That's the > problem. PBS members are the most likely to want them, and to benefit > but they might not be looking at the web site this time of year. > Honestly, I thought I was doing a nice thing offering huge bulbs for a > very nominal fee. I didn't think it would open a can of worms, and I am > already regretting it. I will never do this again. > > Diana >> Then you should just advertise the half price sale on your website. >> Whoops! I see you already did. >> So what's the problem? >> Tim >> >> Dear All: >> >> I have been told that I can't offer things like the Crinums to PBS >> members >> because it is 'commercial'. >> >> If anyone has any ideas of how to dispose of bulbs like these I would >> like >> to hear it. These are very large bulbs, over ten years old and >> measuring up >> to 6" in diameter, weighing about 2lbs each (without the roots). I can't >> send them to the BX, they don't want bulbs like this. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From kellso@irvincentral.com Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <53FCB63B.5090906@irvincentral.com> From: Kelly Irvin Subject: Surplus bulbs Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:30:51 -0500 It is appreciated, Diana, I'm sure, by most on this list that you had nothing but philanthropic intentions. As an aside, I once mistakenly sent a sales advert (not 501c3 appropriate at all) to the list because the email somehow made it into my bulk customer list. After catching myself and making profuse apology for the mistake, I ended up unsubscribing and re-subscribing with my personal email so that kind of thing wouldn't happen again. Anyway, I doubt it's what you did exactly that is a problem but what others might decide they can do because of what you did. Advertising policy and other PBS policies do not show up in the footer of every email. It's just not practical. I guess what I'm saying is that I felt like a "naughty little boy" when I made my mistake, so I'm supposing you've been made to feel bad by someone's clarification of the rules, whether by how you respond to clarifications or by how the clarification was made. Hopefully, they didn't say anything condescending, and if they did, shame on them. -- Mr. Kelly M. Irvin On 8/26/14, 10:36 AM, Diana Chapman wrote: > The problem is that most are going to be destroyed!! That's the > problem. PBS members are the most likely to want them, and to > benefit but they might not be looking at the web site this time of > year. Honestly, I thought I was doing a nice thing offering huge > bulbs for a very nominal fee. I didn't think it would open a can of > worms, and I am already regretting it. I will never do this again. From ds429@frontier.com Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <244580.58907.bm@smtp235.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Subject: Surplus bulbs Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:50:01 +0000 I think that is just what Diana did, and it is my understanding that there is nothing in the rules against doing it that way. Dell From: Stephen Putman Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎August‎ ‎26‎, ‎2014 ‎11‎:‎59‎ ‎AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Been there. Done that. The commercial prohibition is what it is. You have to do it as an announcement of a fact. e.g. I am selling off all the worlds greatest ... for more information email me personally about this. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From kimcmich@hotmail.com Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Surplus bulbs Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 09:52:11 -0700 Greetings, The world is built on pretense. Here on the PBS list, this means we maintain the pretense that commercial activity never occurs even as our hobby (like most) necessarily includes commercial activity. Even in circumstances which are non-profit in spirit (such as Diana's offer of large bulbs), we run risk violating the letter of iBiblio's rules. In the immediate situation, I agree that Diana could likely get around the issue by carefully phrasing her announcements to be reportings of facts ("There is a sale at Telos right now") rather than a direct offer of commercial transaction ("I am selling off my large bulbs"). Silly, yes, but the world is built on pretense. Beyond the immediately situation, I do think it behooves the society to consider our commitment to iBiblio:The society has the budget to afford its own web hosting. Adequate services could be had for ~$10 a month. More effort would be required (especially in the initial setup) but the flexibility we would have in setting our own rules would be considerable. Of course, the wiki is not a problem as it stands now.Many companies offer mailing group services. iBiblio's are free but are accompanied by some problemmatic constraints. Again, the society has more than enough of a budget to sustain the fees for a mailing list without the non-profit limitations iBiblio imposes. Although it had modest beginnings and is still an endeavor of shared interest among a fairly small group, the PBS is large and healthy enough to consider fee-for-service options when it comes to the wiki and the mailing list. I am a web development professional and I would be happy to volunteer my time to assist with these efforts. Allowing a clickable hyerlink (or, dare I say, html formatting) in emails would reward enough for my work... -| From: Jane McGary Subject: Acis valentina Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:04:43 -0700 Hi, Kathleen, There is every chance that Acis valentina will produce seeds, but I don't know if I will be at home to catch them. The fall-blooming members of this genus ripen their seeds very quickly (fall Prospero, aka Scilla, do also), and I am going to be out of town Sept. 20-Oct. 5. I'll keep a sharp watch. However, when I move them there may be offsets too. I forgot to mention the fall-flowering Prospero autumnalis and whatever Scilla scilloides is called now, but they are blooming also. Best regards, Jane At 08:58 AM 8/26/2014, you wrote: >Jane McGary wrote: > >Even more pleasing is a close relative of the autumn >snowflake, Acis valentina (or valentinus; I'm not sure what gender >has finally been decided on for Acis, which as a common noun is >feminine in Greek, anyway). A. valentina is slightly more robust than >A. autumnalis, and the cup-shaped flowers are pure white rather than >flushed with pink at the base. > >Jane, if you ever have seeds, send some to the exchange! I'd love to >expand on from Aciis autumnalis. > >Kathleen From kellso@irvincentral.com Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <53FCBFDD.1080105@irvincentral.com> From: Kelly Irvin Subject: Surplus bulbs Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:11:57 -0500 My Facebook response is, LIKE. -- Mr. Kelly M. Irvin 10850 Hodge Ln Gravette, AR 72736 USA Although it had modest beginnings and is still an endeavor of shared interest among a fairly small group, the PBS is large and healthy enough to consider fee-for-service options when it comes to the wiki and the mailing list. I am a web development professional and I would be happy to volunteer my time to assist with these efforts. Allowing a clickable hyerlink (or, dare I say, html formatting) in emails would reward enough for my work... -| From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Plagiarism, Again Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:23:00 -0400 but maybe an answer. I was looking for a recipe for batter fried sage leaves and found this one: http://www.morethangourmet.com/our-family-recipes/tuscanstyle-fried-sage-leaves Want to save it so highlighted recipe and clicked on Ctrl C and this wonderful notice popped up that said all material on the site is copyrighted. I couldn't copy the text! Someone mentioned disabling right click (but there are other ways to grab an image of the page) and what I liked was the pop-up notice that says content is copyrighted. If this also works for images it would be a Good Thing for the PBS wiki images. How Wonderful Is This! Next question - how to do this? Judy in mostly sunny New Jersey where the greenhouse cyclamen (CC hederifolium & purpureum) are bursting into bloom, and rhodophiala were moved outdoors for the most recent spitter-spatter of rain to baptize them --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From kimcmich@hotmail.com Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Plagiarism, Again Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:35:36 -0700 Greetings, Right click blocking scripts are extremely easy to circumvent; so they only prevent the honest people from doing innocent things like copying and pasting text (even though they are meant to protect the images). The PBS should not hobble its wiki so. -| Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:23:00 -0400 > From: jgglatt@gmail.com > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [pbs] Plagiarism, Again > Someone mentioned disabling right click (but there are other ways to > grab an image of the page) and what I liked was the pop-up notice that > says content is copyrighted. If this also works for images it would be a > Good Thing for the PBS wiki images. From bulborum@gmail.com Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: Bulborum Botanicum Subject: Plagiarism, Again Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 19:51:00 +0200 This doesn't work at all Judy Just disable Java and you can copy Everybody who wants to steal can do that Roland R de Boer 2238 Route de la Maugardiere F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com Facebook Groups:https://www.facebook.com/groups/bulborum/ Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bulborum/452518118130496 2014-08-26 19:23 GMT+02:00 Judy Glattstein : > but maybe an answer. I was looking for a recipe for batter fried sage > leaves and found this one: http://www.morethangourmet. > com/our-family-recipes/tuscanstyle-fried-sage-leaves Want to save it so > highlighted recipe and clicked on Ctrl C and this wonderful notice popped > up that said all material on the site is copyrighted. I couldn't copy the > text! > > Someone mentioned disabling right click (but there are other ways to grab > an image of the page) and what I liked was the pop-up notice that says > content is copyrighted. If this also works for images it would be a Good > Thing for the PBS wiki images. > > How Wonderful Is This! Next question - how to do this? > > Judy in mostly sunny New Jersey where the greenhouse cyclamen (CC > hederifolium & purpureum) are bursting into bloom, and rhodophiala were > moved outdoors for the most recent spitter-spatter of rain to baptize them > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From makikogotowiderman@me.com Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:17:07 -0700 Message-Id: <512134FE-14EB-406A-A3B8-C072B65D0D00@me.com> From: Makiko Goto-Widerman Subject: Acis valentina Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:02:20 -0700 Jane I planted various Acis seeds for last years, but no luck so far. We can share your fresh Acis seeds through the box? By the way I found one seedling of Mediterranean Peony in spring, Makiko Goto-Widerman Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 26, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Kathleen Sayce wrote: > > Jane McGary wrote: > > Even more pleasing is a close relative of the autumn > snowflake, Acis valentina (or valentinus; I'm not sure what gender > has finally been decided on for Acis, which as a common noun is > feminine in Greek, anyway). A. valentina is slightly more robust than > A. autumnalis, and the cup-shaped flowers are pure white rather than > flushed with pink at the base. > > Jane, if you ever have seeds, send some to the exchange! I’d love to expand on from Aciis autumnalis. > > Kathleen > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ralph.carpenter1@googlemail.com Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: John Ralph Carpenter Subject: Surplus bulbs Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 20:21:55 +0100 I'd love to take them off your hands but the cost of shipping to the UK would be prohibitive! On 26 August 2014 16:36, Diana Chapman wrote: > The problem is that most are going to be destroyed!! That's the problem. > PBS members are the most likely to want them, and to benefit but they might > not be looking at the web site this time of year. Honestly, I thought I > was doing a nice thing offering huge bulbs for a very nominal fee. I > didn't think it would open a can of worms, and I am already regretting it. > I will never do this again. > > Diana > > Then you should just advertise the half price sale on your website. >> Whoops! I see you already did. >> So what's the problem? >> Tim >> >> Dear All: >> >> I have been told that I can't offer things like the Crinums to PBS members >> because it is 'commercial'. >> >> If anyone has any ideas of how to dispose of bulbs like these I would like >> to hear it. These are very large bulbs, over ten years old and measuring >> up >> to 6" in diameter, weighing about 2lbs each (without the roots). I can't >> send them to the BX, they don't want bulbs like this. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- Ralph Carpenter 2 & 3 Stone Cottages Chilmington Green Great Chart Ashford Kent TN23 3DW 01233 637567 From nickplummer@gmail.com Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Nicholas Plummer Subject: Amorphophallus seed storage Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 19:40:41 -0400 I recently sent some clean Amorphophallus konjac seed to Dell for the BX, under the assumption that some people growing a single clone might like to introduce some genetic diversity into their collection. However, I have just read that Amorphophallus seed should not be stored dry, because it dessicates rapidly. Should I have sent intact fruit instead? About two thirds of the fruit are still on the rapidly disintegrating stem. Nick Plummer From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <782A63E5-E41A-4E9E-B7A9-52A9207AEA54@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Acis valentina Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:43:45 -0700 I used to occasionally miss getting the seeds from some of my plants that I really wanted. But I finally went and ordered a bunch of small organza drawstring pouch bags (for example: ) which I put on seed pods that I want the seed from long before they ripen. They work very well for almost any kind of seed pod. They will even hold the seeds for a long time after they ripen, which means I don't worry about being out of town even for long trips. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m On Aug 26, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Jane McGary wrote: > Hi, Kathleen, > There is every chance that Acis valentina will produce seeds, but I don't know if I will be at home to catch them. The fall-blooming members of this genus ripen their seeds very quickly (fall Prospero, aka Scilla, do also), and I am going to be out of town Sept. 20-Oct. 5. I'll keep a sharp watch. However, when I move them there may be offsets too. > From mmattus@charter.net Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Matt Mattus Subject: Surplus bulbs Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:52:09 -0400 Diana - I just saw this thread - I will email you personally. I'm interested, but just leaving tonight for the NARGS national meeting so I won't have time to make a list up. If this wasn't posted to the group, I would not have seen it. Jeesh - now where do I post about my Nerine sarniensis collection that I want to get rid of? Matt On 8/26/14 11:36 AM, "Diana Chapman" wrote: > The problem is that most are going to be destroyed!! That's the > problem. PBS members are the most likely to want them, and to benefit > but they might not be looking at the web site this time of year. > Honestly, I thought I was doing a nice thing offering huge bulbs for a > very nominal fee. I didn't think it would open a can of worms, and I am > already regretting it. I will never do this again. > > Diana >> Then you should just advertise the half price sale on your website. >> Whoops! I see you already did. >> So what's the problem? >> Tim >> >> Dear All: >> >> I have been told that I can't offer things like the Crinums to PBS members >> because it is 'commercial'. >> >> If anyone has any ideas of how to dispose of bulbs like these I would like >> to hear it. These are very large bulbs, over ten years old and measuring up >> to 6" in diameter, weighing about 2lbs each (without the roots). I can't >> send them to the BX, they don't want bulbs like this. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jwickham@sbcglobal.net Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1409115266.83491.YahooMailNeo@web185306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> From: John Wickham Subject: Surplus bulbs Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:54:26 -0700 Matt, I'd be happy to help you with that Nerine collection... On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:06 PM, Matt Mattus wrote: Diana - I just saw this thread - I will email you personally. I'm interested, but just leaving tonight for the NARGS national meeting so I won't have time to make a list up. If this wasn't posted to the group, I would not have seen it. Jeesh - now where do I post about my Nerine sarniensis collection that I want to get rid of? Matt On 8/26/14 11:36 AM, "Diana Chapman" wrote: > The problem is that most are going to be destroyed!!  That's the > problem.  PBS members are the most likely to want them, and to benefit > but they might not be looking at the web site this time of year. > Honestly, I thought I was doing a nice thing offering huge bulbs for a > very nominal fee.  I didn't think it would open a can of worms, and I am > already regretting it.  I will never do this again. > > Diana >> Then you should just advertise the half price sale on your website. >> Whoops!  I see you already did. >> So what's the problem? >> Tim >> >> Dear All: >> >> I have been told that I can't offer things like the Crinums to PBS members >> because it is 'commercial'. >> >> If anyone has any ideas of how to dispose of bulbs like these I would like >> to hear it.  These are very large bulbs, over ten years old and measuring up >> to 6" in diameter, weighing about 2lbs each (without the roots).  I can't >> send them to the BX, they don't want bulbs like this. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From makikogotowiderman@me.com Tue, 26 Aug 2014 23:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Makiko Goto-Widerman Subject: Surplus bulbs Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 23:06:13 -0700 Matt I will also help you to get rid of your Nerine. Makiko Goto-Widerman Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 26, 2014, at 9:54 PM, John Wickham wrote: > > Matt, > > I'd be happy to help you with that Nerine collection... > > > > On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:06 PM, Matt Mattus wrote: > > > > Diana - > I just saw this thread - I will email you personally. I'm interested, but > just leaving tonight for the NARGS national meeting so I won't have time to > make a list up. > > If this wasn't posted to the group, I would not have seen it. > > Jeesh - now where do I post about my Nerine sarniensis collection that I > want to get rid of? > > > > Matt > > > > >> On 8/26/14 11:36 AM, "Diana Chapman" wrote: >> >> The problem is that most are going to be destroyed!! That's the >> problem. PBS members are the most likely to want them, and to benefit >> but they might not be looking at the web site this time of year. >> Honestly, I thought I was doing a nice thing offering huge bulbs for a >> very nominal fee. I didn't think it would open a can of worms, and I am >> already regretting it. I will never do this again. >> >> Diana >>> Then you should just advertise the half price sale on your website. >>> Whoops! I see you already did. >>> So what's the problem? >>> Tim >>> >>> Dear All: >>> >>> I have been told that I can't offer things like the Crinums to PBS members >>> because it is 'commercial'. >>> >>> If anyone has any ideas of how to dispose of bulbs like these I would like >>> to hear it. These are very large bulbs, over ten years old and measuring up >>> to 6" in diameter, weighing about 2lbs each (without the roots). I can't >>> send them to the BX, they don't want bulbs like this. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Wed, 27 Aug 2014 06:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <53FDCFB6.4030308@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Surplus bulbs Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 05:31:50 -0700 To all who e-mailed me and had great suggestions, many thanks. I have been swamped with e-mails, so please be patient, I will get back to all of you, but I am packing orders all day today and they come first. Diana Telos From msittner@mcn.org Wed, 27 Aug 2014 08:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <20140827144705.CDD4822338@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Amaryllis belladonna flowering Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:47:00 -0700 Hi, I've continued to have bulbs with flower spikes in my garden earlier than usual and more than usual so my experience has been different than Andrew's in southern California. But severe drought for us is still much more rain than severe drought for him. I probably didn't need to add any more photos of Amaryllis belladonna to the wiki as it was already well represented. But I have added photos my husband has recently taken of some of the displays in our town and seen on our hikes as they are widely planted. I wonder if you see these kind of displays in South Africa. Someone has planted a hillside below my husband's office. They get no supplemental water other than rainfall, but are very exposed. This year they were really amazing. (Third row of photos in the link below are the new ones.) http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Amaryllis Mary Sue From ronmudd1@gmail.com Wed, 27 Aug 2014 08:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Ron Mudd Subject: Acis valentina Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:00:24 +0100 Mark Akimoff ( Illahe Rare Bulbs ) is still showing that he has some bulbs of this species available for sale this year. From kimcmich@hotmail.com Wed, 27 Aug 2014 09:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Amaryllis belladonna flowering Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 08:43:22 -0700 Greetings, Although smaller bulbs can certainly back densely in their natural settings (especially following fires - I'm thinking Calochortus here in California), I tend to think Amaryllis belladonna achieves its massively dense stands because of its nonnative status. In South Africa, the bulb must content with pathogens and and hebrivores that are largely absent here (Amaryllis worm being perhaps the most conspicuous - though perhaps not as important as native soil fungi). I would guess these natural competitors keep the bulbs from creating landscape-scale monotypic stands as they can do here... -| Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:47:00 -0700 > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > From: msittner@mcn.org > Subject: [pbs] Amaryllis belladonna flowering > > Hi, > > I've continued to have bulbs with flower spikes in my garden earlier > than usual and more than usual so my experience has been different > than Andrew's in southern California. But severe drought for us is > still much more rain than severe drought for him. I probably didn't > need to add any more photos of Amaryllis belladonna to the wiki as it > was already well represented. But I have added photos my husband has > recently taken of some of the displays in our town and seen on our > hikes as they are widely planted. I wonder if you see these kind of > displays in South Africa. Someone has planted a hillside below my > husband's office. They get no supplemental water other than rainfall, > but are very exposed. This year they were really amazing. (Third row > of photos in the link below are the new ones.) > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Amaryllis > > Mary Sue > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From makikogotowiderman@me.com Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Makiko Goto-Widerman Subject: Acis valentina Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 12:26:00 -0700 Ron, Thank you. It’s not too late to plant winter blooming bulbs. Makiko Goto-Widerman On Aug 27, 2014, at 8:00 AM, Ron Mudd wrote: > Mark Akimoff ( Illahe Rare Bulbs ) is still showing that he has some bulbs > of this species available for sale this year. > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <8D190495A81A3BE-174C-39ED2@webmail-vm018.sysops.aol.com> From: Ernie DeMarie via pbs Subject: Amaryllis belladonna flowering Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Speaking of A belladonna, it is flowering once again in my school garden in Chappaqua NY against a hot wall. Two spikes from one bulb or a couple of bulbs are looking good, another bulb made a spike that looks like it withered a bit. These same bulbs have survived numerous winters but the wall affords significant protection against deep freezing. Ernie DeMarie Z7 NY Where Crocosmia aurea is in full regal splendor in both home and school gardens. From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Wed, 27 Aug 2014 18:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1409184255.93625.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: piaba via pbs Subject: Haemanthus sp. Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:04:15 -0700 is this albiflos? Mobiloverførsler - In Defense of Plants | Facebook               Mobiloverførsler - In Defense of Plants | Facebook Need help on an ID for this interesting plant. View on www.fac... Preview by Yahoo       ======== tsuh yang  From desertdenial@hotmail.com Thu, 28 Aug 2014 07:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: desertdenial Subject: Calostemma purpureum Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 06:39:47 -0700 When I put mine in the ground last year after 1-2 years in a pot they immediately sent up inflorescences. Marie Ortiz Tolleson, Az Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: "Leo A. Martin" Date: 08/04/2014 9:47 AM (GMT-07:00) To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Calostemma purpureum For some 6-7 years I let my two Calostemma purpureum in containers dry completely as temperatures rose in spring, and kept the dry containers in my house over the summer. They grew reliably each winter but did not bloom. The containers are glazed ceramic, in the shape of somewhat narrow Chinese ginger jars, and hold about 2 gallons / 7 liters of potting mix Last fall I brought up the issue of bloomless Calostemma in this forum. Several people wrote that the plant does fine with water all summer, and Dylan Hannon mentioned a bed of them irrigated all summer in Pasadena, one of the warmer parts of Los Angeles. Pat Toolan wrote that in habitat the bulbs are often 18 inches / 46cm deep, where they would remain cool all summer and summer rains would not penetrate. This spring I moved my plants to a spot where they get bright shade with some very late afternoon sun, and watered regularly all summer. They remained in leaf and even made a few new leaves. One of the plants just yesterday began pushing two inflorescences. The Wiki says plants should be allowed to dry after leaves yellow. Perhaps those in very warm-summer climates, or those growing their plants in containers, should experiment with watering all summer, and deeper containers. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From janemcgary@earthlink.net Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Erythronium book Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:50:48 -0700 On the list of books offered by the Alpine Garden Society, I see "The Genus Erythronium," a new title by Chris Clennett. SInce the price is 40 pounds (plus shipping overseas), I would like to know if anyone has seen this book yet, and if so, the readers' opinions of it. The title implies that it's a botanical monograph rather than a "gardener's guide," and the former would make me more likely to buy it. I was wondering in particular about the coverage of the North American species. ANy comments will be much appreciated. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From janemcgary@earthlink.net Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Inquiry about Haemanthus Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:56:06 -0700 A question has come to the PBS website as follows: >Could you please help me I have a large number of these bulbs >[Haemanthus coccineus] in containers which are now in leaf { and >looking great } I now would like to separate some of them . but I >have no idea as to what would be the best time to do so,I cannot >find any information on this subject. hopefully you can help me. Please answer here on the discussion list and I will forward the information to the writer. Thanks! Jane McGary From voltaire@islandnet.com Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <57405D10-7532-43C3-9A80-E50BC1EE140F@islandnet.com> From: Diane Whitehead Subject: Erythronium book Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:34:41 -0700 There is a review of it on Ian Young's Bulb Log on the Scottish Rock Garden Club's forum, including photos of the table of contents and a couple of pages. http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Jun181403082722BULB_LOG_2514.pdf Diane Whitehead who is waiting till Powell's stocks it On 2014-08-28, at 9:50 AM, Jane McGary wrote: > On the list of books offered by the Alpine Garden Society, I see "The Genus Erythronium," a new title by Chris Clennett. SInce the price is 40 pounds (plus shipping overseas), I would like to know if anyone has seen this book yet, and if so, the readers' opinions of it. The title implies that it's a botanical monograph rather than a "gardener's guide," and the former would make me more likely to buy it. I was wondering in particular about the coverage of the North American species. ANy comments will be much appreciated. > From voltaire@islandnet.com Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Diane Whitehead Subject: Erythronium book Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:41:49 -0700 I just checked, and Powell's will have it in November for $103.75 available for shipping or prepaid pickup only. One can pre-order. Perhaps they will import only as many as are pre-ordered. That's not so good - I like to look through a book before I decide to buy it. http://www.powells.com/biblio/62-9781842464922-2 Diane Whitehead On 2014-08-28, at 10:34 AM, Diane Whitehead wrote: > > There is a review of it on Ian Young's Bulb Log on the Scottish Rock Garden Club's forum, including photos of the table of contents and a couple of pages. > > http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Jun181403082722BULB_LOG_2514.pdf > From kimcmich@hotmail.com Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Inquiry about Haemanthus Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:52:57 -0700 Jane, I'm assuming this grower in the southern hemisphere. This is not actually important, but just a note to help confirm the id. Generally, I find Amaryllids respond fine to *careful* movement when in leaf. Keeping the roots intact is very important and may be more of a challenge when splitting pots. But provided the plant is more on the uphill side of its yearly leaf cycle (assuming a deciduous species), dividing the bulbs now should be fine as they will have the spring to recover from transplant shock before going dormant again. I assumed the southern hemisphere because otherwise H. coccineus should not now be in leaf. If this reader is in the northern hemisphere, the bulbs are not H. coccineus. They may be an evergreen (albiflos) or a summer growing species (humilis, montanus). Either way though, I'd say any of these species should have plenty of time this season to recover if transplanted/divided now. -| Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:56:06 -0700 > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > From: janemcgary@earthlink.net > Subject: [pbs] Inquiry about Haemanthus > > A question has come to the PBS website as follows: > > >Could you please help me I have a large number of these bulbs > >[Haemanthus coccineus] in containers which are now in leaf { and > >looking great } I now would like to separate some of them . but I > >have no idea as to what would be the best time to do so,I cannot > >find any information on this subject. hopefully you can help me. > > > Please answer here on the discussion list and I will forward the > information to the writer. > > Thanks! > > Jane McGary > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From penstemon@Q.com Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <2DA38E09546048C5A12193C9C8B5A0C4@bobPC> From: "penstemon" Subject: Erythronium book Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:39:30 -0600 The title implies that it's a botanical monograph rather than a "gardener's guide," and the former would make me more likely to buy it. I was wondering in particular about the coverage of the North American species. ANy comments will be much appreciated. If it's anything like The Genus Tulipa and The Genus Epimedium, then it's most likely to be an excellent monograph with a small section on cultivation. Bob Nold Denver, Colorado, USA From petersirises@gmail.com Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Peter Taggart Subject: Inquiry about Haemanthus Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:32:25 +0100 I agree, divide as they start growth, whatever species, though I have limited experiance of the rarer ones. H coccineus is just starting growth now, roots and flowers, not leaves yet, for me in the northern hemisphere. Peter (UK) On 28 August 2014 19:52, Kipp McMichael wrote: > Jane, > > I'm assuming this grower in the southern hemisphere. This is not > actually important, but just a note to help confirm the id. Generally, I > find Amaryllids respond fine to *careful* movement when in leaf. Keeping > the roots intact is very important and may be more of a challenge when > splitting pots. But provided the plant is more on the uphill side of its > yearly leaf cycle (assuming a deciduous species), dividing the bulbs now > should be fine as they will have the spring to recover from transplant > shock before going dormant again. > > I assumed the southern hemisphere because otherwise H. coccineus should > not now be in leaf. If this reader is in the northern hemisphere, the bulbs > are not H. coccineus. They may be an evergreen (albiflos) or a summer > growing species (humilis, montanus). Either way though, I'd say any of > these species should have plenty of time this season to recover if > transplanted/divided now. > From klazina1@gmail.com Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <53FF9B76.7040802@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: Inquiry about Haemanthus Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:13:26 +1200 I had a big clump of H. coccineus in the garden which I dug up to transplant. The clump broke into about 4 pieces. I just planted them where I wanted to and was worried I might lose them. In fact they never looked back, just took off and throve. When I mentioned that on Facebook, James Shields commented that any he transplanted when dormant, died, that they like being transplanted in full growth. Ina Crossley On 29/08/2014 8:32 a.m., Peter Taggart wrote: > I agree, divide as they start growth, whatever species, though I have > limited experiance of the rarer ones. H coccineus is just starting growth > now, roots and flowers, not leaves yet, for me in the northern hemisphere. > Peter (UK) From hartsentwine.australia@gmail.com Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: steven hart Subject: Calostemma purpureum Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 08:08:41 +1000 Hello Leo, im not so sure about International environments, but here in Australia in the wild, virtually all callostemma do grow from about 8" to 16' deep, it is correct that in these environments & depths, even in hot summer, the bulb stays cool... In some places they sit in a permanent moist zone & others are in soil that completely bakes dry.. However they virtually all receive summer rains in the wild & in most cases these rains build up to heavy rain in late summer which triggers the flowering cycle.. I have them growing in a hot dry environment, only planted to a depth of 6 to 8' deep & they are quite happy.. Mine dry out naturally in winter to spring when hot dry westerly winds dry everything out & its impossible to get moisture into the ground.. I hope this little bit of info helps with your experiments :) Steven Queensland Australia On 28 August 2014 23:39, desertdenial wrote: > When I put mine in the ground last year after 1-2 years in a pot they > immediately sent up inflorescences. > > Marie Ortiz > Tolleson, Az > > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Leo A. Martin" > Date: 08/04/2014 9:47 AM (GMT-07:00) > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [pbs] Calostemma purpureum > > > > This spring I moved my plants to a spot where they get bright shade with > some very late > afternoon sun, and watered regularly all summer. They remained in leaf and > even made a > few new leaves. One of the plants just yesterday began pushing two > inflorescences. > > The Wiki says plants should be allowed to dry after leaves yellow. Perhaps > those in very > warm-summer climates, or those growing their plants in containers, should > experiment > with watering all summer, and deeper containers. > > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > > > -- > Steven : ) Esk Queensland Australia Summer Zone 5 Winter Zone 10 From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <53FFAD47.4030309@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Calostemma purpureum Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:29:27 -0700 I have some C. lutea (luteum?) grown from seed that are ten years old and have never flowered. My C. purpureum bloom well. I let them go dry in summer. Do they need different conditions from the purple ones? Diana Telos > Hello Leo, im not so sure about International environments, but here in > Australia in the wild, virtually all callostemma do grow from about 8" to > 16' deep, it is correct that in these environments & depths, even in hot > summer, the bulb stays cool... In some places they sit in a permanent moist > zone & others are in soil that completely bakes dry.. However they > virtually all receive summer rains in the wild & in most cases these rains > build up to heavy rain in late summer which triggers the flowering cycle.. > I have them growing in a hot dry environment, only planted to a depth of 6 > to 8' deep & they are quite happy.. Mine dry out naturally in winter to > spring when hot dry westerly winds dry everything out & its impossible to > get moisture into the ground.. > I hope this little bit of info helps with your experiments :) > Steven Queensland Australia > > > On 28 August 2014 23:39, desertdenial wrote: > >> When I put mine in the ground last year after 1-2 years in a pot they >> immediately sent up inflorescences. >> >> Marie Ortiz >> Tolleson, Az >> >> >> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "Leo A. Martin" >> Date: 08/04/2014 9:47 AM (GMT-07:00) >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> Subject: [pbs] Calostemma purpureum >> >> >> >> This spring I moved my plants to a spot where they get bright shade with >> some very late >> afternoon sun, and watered regularly all summer. They remained in leaf and >> even made a >> few new leaves. One of the plants just yesterday began pushing two >> inflorescences. >> >> The Wiki says plants should be allowed to dry after leaves yellow. Perhaps >> those in very >> warm-summer climates, or those growing their plants in containers, should >> experiment >> with watering all summer, and deeper containers. >> >> Leo Martin >> Phoenix Arizona USA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> -- >> > Steven : ) > Esk Queensland Australia > Summer Zone 5 Winter Zone 10 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From peter.scaevola@gmail.com Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Peter Franks" Subject: Erythronium book Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:27:00 +1000 Hi Jane This volume is in the Curtis's Monograph series, published by Kew. The newest in the series after Genus Lachenalia & Genus Tulipa Expect full coverage of all species Regards Peter in Sydney, Australia -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jane McGary Sent: Friday, 29 August 2014 2:51 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] Erythronium book On the list of books offered by the Alpine Garden Society, I see "The Genus Erythronium," a new title by Chris Clennett. SInce the price is 40 pounds (plus shipping overseas), I would like to know if anyone has seen this book yet, and if so, the readers' opinions of it. The title implies that it's a botanical monograph rather than a "gardener's guide," and the former would make me more likely to buy it. I was wondering in particular about the coverage of the North American species. ANy comments will be much appreciated. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From idavide@sbcglobal.net Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1409273382.44378.YahooMailNeo@web181505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: David Ehrlich Subject: Erythronium book Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:49:42 -0700 On Amazon it's $76.50 when it arrives in November, and they usually allow some limited look through. >________________________________ > From: Diane Whitehead >To: PBS >Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:41 AM >Subject: Re: [pbs] Erythronium book > > >I just checked, and Powell's will have it in November for $103.75 available for shipping or prepaid pickup only. One can pre-order. > >Perhaps they will import only as many as are pre-ordered. That's not so good - I like to look through a book before I decide to buy it. > >http://www.powells.com/biblio/62-9781842464922-2 > >Diane Whitehead > > > > > > >On 2014-08-28, at 10:34 AM, Diane Whitehead wrote: > >> >> There is a review of it on Ian Young's Bulb Log on the Scottish Rock Garden Club's forum, including photos of the table of contents and a couple of pages. >> >> http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Jun181403082722BULB_LOG_2514.pdf >> > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > From eez55@earthlink.net Thu, 28 Aug 2014 22:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <380-22014852943615125@earthlink.net> From: "Eugene Zielinski" Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Amorphophallus seed storage Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:36:15 -0700 Nick. I can't speak for Amorphophallus konjac, but I did receive some dried seeds of A. kiusianus from the North American Rock Garden Seed Exchange earlier this year. I soaked the seeds for about a week in tap water, then planted them. I got 100% germination, even though it did take about two months. I've also had good germination from dried seed of Sauromatum venosum. Somehow, I think Dell would prefer dried seeds... Eugene Zielinski Prescott Valley, AZ USA > [Original Message] > From: Nicholas Plummer > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Date: 8/26/2014 4:41:02 PM > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam][pbs] Amorphophallus seed storage > > I recently sent some clean Amorphophallus konjac seed to Dell for the BX, under the assumption that some people growing a single clone might like to introduce some genetic diversity into their collection. However, I have just read that Amorphophallus seed should not be stored dry, because it dessicates rapidly. Should I have sent intact fruit instead? About two thirds of the fruit are still on the rapidly disintegrating stem. > > Nick Plummer > From hartsentwine.australia@gmail.com Fri, 29 Aug 2014 02:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Steven Subject: Calostemma purpureum Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 19:01:04 +1000 You should give them plenty of sun & increase watering to good solid drenching as the heat increases.. Some have success with the water tray method sitting them I'n a little water through summer... The endemic native ones here I'n Queensland live on open dark clay soil & live I'n low pockets that become sodden or even water covered for a month to three months or more at a time.. I am always fascinated when i visit the area to see plants I'n water 8" deep with healthy foliage & producing healthy buds & flowers for months.. Greater numbers of bulbs are above the water line but remain with their roots I'n water drenched soil.. Hope that helps u Steven Esk Queensland Australia ...Treats 4 Dogs... On 29/08/2014, at 8:29 AM, Diana Chapman wrote: > I have some C. lutea (luteum?) grown from seed that are ten years old and have never flowered. My C. purpureum bloom well. I let them go dry in summer. Do they need different conditions from the purple ones? > > Diana > Telos >> Hello Leo, im not so sure about International environments, but here in >> Australia in the wild, virtually all callostemma do grow from about 8" to >> 16' deep, it is correct that in these environments & depths, even in hot >> summer, the bulb stays cool... In some places they sit in a permanent moist >> zone & others are in soil that completely bakes dry.. However they >> virtually all receive summer rains in the wild & in most cases these rains >> build up to heavy rain in late summer which triggers the flowering cycle.. >> I have them growing in a hot dry environment, only planted to a depth of 6 >> to 8' deep & they are quite happy.. Mine dry out naturally in winter to >> spring when hot dry westerly winds dry everything out & its impossible to >> get moisture into the ground.. >> I hope this little bit of info helps with your experiments :) >> Steven Queensland Australia >> >> >> On 28 August 2014 23:39, desertdenial wrote: >> >>> When I put mine in the ground last year after 1-2 years in a pot they >>> immediately sent up inflorescences. >>> >>> Marie Ortiz >>> Tolleson, Az >>> >>> >>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: "Leo A. Martin" >>> Date: 08/04/2014 9:47 AM (GMT-07:00) >>> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> Subject: [pbs] Calostemma purpureum >>> >>> >>> >>> This spring I moved my plants to a spot where they get bright shade with >>> some very late >>> afternoon sun, and watered regularly all summer. They remained in leaf and >>> even made a >>> few new leaves. One of the plants just yesterday began pushing two >>> inflorescences. >>> >>> The Wiki says plants should be allowed to dry after leaves yellow. Perhaps >>> those in very >>> warm-summer climates, or those growing their plants in containers, should >>> experiment >>> with watering all summer, and deeper containers. >>> >>> Leo Martin >>> Phoenix Arizona USA >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >> Steven : ) >> Esk Queensland Australia >> Summer Zone 5 Winter Zone 10 >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Fri, 29 Aug 2014 06:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <54007948.7060505@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Calostemma purpureum Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 05:59:52 -0700 Thanks, Steve, I will do that and I hope for some results. Diana > You should give them plenty of sun & increase watering to good solid drenching as the heat increases.. Some have success with the water tray method sitting them I'n a little water through summer... The endemic native ones here I'n Queensland live on open dark clay soil & live I'n low pockets that become sodden or even water covered for a month to three months or more at a time.. I am always fascinated when i visit the area to see plants I'n water 8" deep with healthy foliage & producing healthy buds & flowers for months.. Greater numbers of bulbs are above the water line but remain with their roots I'n water drenched soil.. Hope that helps u > Steven Esk Queensland Australia > > ...Treats 4 Dogs... > > On 29/08/2014, at 8:29 AM, Diana Chapman wrote: > >> I have some C. lutea (luteum?) grown from seed that are ten years old and have never flowered. My C. purpureum bloom well. I let them go dry in summer. Do they need different conditions from the purple ones? >> >> Diana >> Telos >>> Hello Leo, im not so sure about International environments, but here in >>> Australia in the wild, virtually all callostemma do grow from about 8" to >>> 16' deep, it is correct that in these environments & depths, even in hot >>> summer, the bulb stays cool... In some places they sit in a permanent moist >>> zone & others are in soil that completely bakes dry.. However they >>> virtually all receive summer rains in the wild & in most cases these rains >>> build up to heavy rain in late summer which triggers the flowering cycle.. >>> I have them growing in a hot dry environment, only planted to a depth of 6 >>> to 8' deep & they are quite happy.. Mine dry out naturally in winter to >>> spring when hot dry westerly winds dry everything out & its impossible to >>> get moisture into the ground.. >>> I hope this little bit of info helps with your experiments :) >>> Steven Queensland Australia >>> >>> >>> On 28 August 2014 23:39, desertdenial wrote: >>> >>>> When I put mine in the ground last year after 1-2 years in a pot they >>>> immediately sent up inflorescences. >>>> >>>> Marie Ortiz >>>> Tolleson, Az >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: "Leo A. Martin" >>>> Date: 08/04/2014 9:47 AM (GMT-07:00) >>>> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>>> Subject: [pbs] Calostemma purpureum >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This spring I moved my plants to a spot where they get bright shade with >>>> some very late >>>> afternoon sun, and watered regularly all summer. They remained in leaf and >>>> even made a >>>> few new leaves. One of the plants just yesterday began pushing two >>>> inflorescences. >>>> >>>> The Wiki says plants should be allowed to dry after leaves yellow. Perhaps >>>> those in very >>>> warm-summer climates, or those growing their plants in containers, should >>>> experiment >>>> with watering all summer, and deeper containers. >>>> >>>> Leo Martin >>>> Phoenix Arizona USA >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> pbs mailing list >>>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>> Steven : ) >>> Esk Queensland Australia >>> Summer Zone 5 Winter Zone 10 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Fri, 29 Aug 2014 17:17:06 -0700 Message-Id: <1409355751.81069.YahooMailNeo@web121304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Chilean Tropaeolum in Maryland Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 16:42:31 -0700 In September of 2008 I got nice hickory-nut sized starts of three Chilean Tropaeolum from Telos: T. azureum, T. hookerianum austropurpureum and T. brachyceras. They were planted in little plastic baskets sunk into the ground of a cold frame. They have been there for the six years since. Surely that's some sort of record for Chilean Tropaeolum here in Maryland. Sometimes they appear above ground, some years they do not. So far, only T. brachyceras has bloomed - and to tell the truth, the first time I saw it (it was sprawling on the ground) I thought it was the weedy little Oxalis which grows here. For the last three or so years I'm pretty sure only one of them has appeared above ground, so today I went exploring to see what was what. What I found today was a surprise: all three are there, evidently alive and healthy and no smaller than when received - in fact, they might be a bit bigger. So, I'm still in the Chilean Tropaeolum game, but obviously I need help and advice. Should these plants get a lot of water when in active growth? How necessary is cold to their culture? I've noticed that the cold frame plants, which are in leaf throughout the winter in the years when they sprout, quit as soon as the temperatures begin to rise. A friend gave me a set of light tables: would I be likely to have better results growing these plants inside in a cool basement under lights? I keep the house thermostat set for 54 degrees F during the winter, so that basement is very cool. Or might a richer medium and regular watering give good results in the cold frame? Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where oporanthous plants in variety are beginning to wake up. From janemcgary@earthlink.net Fri, 29 Aug 2014 18:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Chilean Tropaeolum in Maryland Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 17:22:35 -0700 Jim McKenney asked, So, I'm still in the Chilean Tropaeolum game, but obviously I need help and advice. > >Should these plants get a lot of water when in active growth? > >How necessary is cold to their culture? I've noticed that the cold >frame plants, which are in leaf throughout the winter in the years >when they sprout, quit as soon as the temperatures begin to rise. >A friend gave me a set of light tables: would I be likely to have >better results growing these plants inside in a cool basement under >lights? I keep the house thermostat set for 54 degrees F during the >winter, so that basement is very cool. > >Or might a richer medium and regular watering give good results in >the cold frame? Tropaeolum brachyceras is the most adaptable of the species Jim mentioned (T. azureum and T. hookerianum austropurpureum being the others. I grow all of these in raised beds in an unheated, covered but otherwise open Mediterranean house. In nature these plants live in a region that is very dry in summer, when they are dormant. I have mostly seen T. azureum in shady locations near the base of cliffs where there is probably more moisture; T. hookerianum among shrubs on dry hillsides; and T. brachyceras in the latter kind of site also. I do NOT recommend growing them under lights or in pots. The tubers pull down as far as they can in their planting site. They will benefit from moderate moisture from late fall through mid spring but should be left dry otherwise. The soils I have seen them in are poor and rocky, but often richer soils do not harm such plants. The main trick to getting good bloom on them is providing a scaffold of some kind for them to climb on. They can flower running flat on the ground but they really perform when they get up on a shrub or twiggy branch. Don't use a metal support because cold temperatures will then damage the stems. T. azureum can become quite tall; T. brachyceras a little shorter; and T. hookerianum is happy here with a branch about 40 cm high. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From dkramb@badbear.com Fri, 29 Aug 2014 20:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <54013ECD.5010401@badbear.com> From: dkramb Subject: Hippeastrum parodii 'Germa' Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 23:02:37 -0400 I was completely bummed to lose my prized Hippeastrum 'Germa' this past winter. The exceptionally bitter cold took it away along with many of my potted geophytes. Luckily I had a pup from the mother plant growing on my living-room windowsill. The pup slowly lost its leaves & went dormant early this year. I anxiously waited for signs of new growth. Nothing. Month after month, nothing. Finally tonight I started poking around in the pot with my finger, and my heart sank when I crushed what was left of the bulb. Or so I thought. It turns out it was just the neck of the bulb. Down deeper was a firm, happy, healthy, golfball sized Hippeastrum putting out new roots. YAY!!! I couldn't believe how deep the bulb positioned itself. I potted it up in a larger pot with fresh potting mix, and now I can patiently wait for it to break dormancy on its own schedule. I'm stoked that 'Germa' is still in my collection. :-) Dennis in Cincinnati From leo@possi.org Fri, 29 Aug 2014 21:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <720da62cd708bf842a375e4edb106e57.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Calostemma purpureum Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 21:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Thanks to Steven for the advice. Give your dogs a cookie from North America. Since I first wrote the one plant has put up 4 inflorescences and the other none. They are in identical glazed ceramic containers (well, the one blooming is in the deep blue container and the other in the celadon blue.) The one blooming is in a light, porous mix of pumice, perlite, potting soil and a touch of local soil, while the one not blooming is in my heavy local silt. It appears every flowers is producing fruit - are these likely to be fertile, since there was no cross-pollination? Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Sat, 30 Aug 2014 06:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1409402790.85455.YahooMailNeo@web121305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Hippeastrum parodii 'Germa' Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 05:46:30 -0700 Dennis, where were you growing those plants that it got cold enough to kill them? Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Sat, 30 Aug 2014 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Alberto Subject: Hippeastrum parodii 'Germa' Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 13:35:36 +0000 If it is parodii, it is subtropical like most Hippeastrums, the others are tropical. From hartsentwine.australia@gmail.com Sat, 30 Aug 2014 16:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <36ECF412-C1E7-43AB-8657-8E2A0A5A636A@gmail.com> From: Steven Subject: Calostemma purpureum Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:26:43 +1000 Hi Leo, haha.... Treats 4 Dogs is Mt business name & i did give em a treat 4 u ;) You know something cool about calostemma fruiting, you can cut a flowering stem with very small seeds & I'n good light sitting I'n water or even wrapped I'n a plastic bag as long as it docent rot... The seeds will continue to develop to maturity & will produce radicals & grow.. I think that's so amazing, I've done this by accident a number of times.. Steven Esk Queensland Australia ...Treats 4 Dogs... On 30/08/2014, at 2:02 PM, "Leo A. Martin" wrote: > > > It appears every flowers is producing fruit - are these likely to be fertile, since > there was no cross-pollination? > > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From myixia1@gmail.com Sat, 30 Aug 2014 18:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: From: Pamela Slate Subject: What's Blooming in AZ in August Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 17:29:07 -0700 Here is North Scottdale, it's been an interesting month for Amaryllids and a few others, one not seen in flower here before (as noted). They include: Amaryllis belladonna (pale pink) - flowers reliably at this time of year. xHippestrelia, also a reliable bloomer. Habranthus spp - brachyrandus, magnoi, robustus, tubispathus, 'Amazing Jumbo.' - all flowering throughout summer months. Zephyranthes - Hybrids Prairie Sunset, Apricot Queen, Labuffarosea and species candida, grandiflora, citrina (not a regular bloomer) and help with this if you can: Z. chlorosolen/drummondii. Given the earlier discussion about plant names and sources, The Plant List shows both as accepted names. Scott Ogden addressed the inevitable confusion over these names when they were lumped into Zephryanthes from Cooperia and my bulbs came as Cooperia drummondii. This plant is leafless in flower and has a tall peduncle (scape, tube) measuring a good 12", and produced copious seed (selfs) The flower is very small. I don't see this form on the wiki. Haemanthus coccineus - now sending out a flower. Scadoxus multiflorous ssp. multiflorous - I have two plants, one flowered and one didn't but did leaf out. They skip flowering seasons here. Rhodophiala bifida - dark red and deep pink, grown from seed collected in Louisiana. Flowering for the first time after I moved them from pots to a raised bed. Another Rhodophiala in the same bed - and I found the record that says 'Granatiflora' - is a much bigger plant, red-flowered, with a much taller peduncle and flowers at least third larger than bifida. Not having seen the plant before, I'm unsure whether it's correctly identified and I'm now sorry I didn't take measurements. The seed from Alberto (BX 171) was grown by a commercial propagator friend and the tag could easily have been incorrect. Flowers did not show the wide, blunt tepals as the flower on the wiki. I'll send the seed to the BX and perhaps in the future we'll have an answer. And I'll try to have a photo on the Mystery Bulbs page as soon as possible, even though I'm an inept photographer. Lycoris radiata - transplanted from a raised bed where it flowered regularly to the landscape in a moist, shady location, now just beginning to flower. Others include: Oxalis traingularis - always an understory plant for Hippeastrums Urginea (Drimia) maritima - all bulbs are in the landscape and not all flower each year. This summer, for example, of the 15 or so bulbs here, only two small ones flowered in July and the two largest now have 5-foot floral tubes that are opening. Ornithogalum osmynellum - it has been outside in pots all summer in semi-shade and has bloomed continuously all year. Hymenocallis 'Tropical Giant' - this is the first summer in 15 years this plant has flowered!! I attribute this to the relatively moderate temperatures this summer and increased humidity. In April, I divided a large clump of Nerine bowdenii in raised beds and planted several into the landscape and they have leafed out and hopefully will flower. I don't want to see such a rewarding August end. Pamela Slate From pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk Sun, 31 Aug 2014 07:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <54032360.10708@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Subject: What's Blooming in AZ in August Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 14:30:08 +0100 Hi, On 31/08/2014 01:29, Pamela Slate wrote: > we'll have an answer. And I'll try to have a photo on the Mystery Bulbs > page as soon as possible, even though I'm an inept photographer. Pamela's photos are here: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MysteryBulbs#PSMystery2 -- David Pilling North West England From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sun, 31 Aug 2014 11:17:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1409506720.33714.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Wood Grigsby via pbs Subject: Hello all Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 10:38:40 -0700 I am new to this site. I live in Southern California on a mountain at elevation 2000 feet in an arid climate. This is a huge difference from my early years spent in the bayous of Southern Louisiana, where my tastes in flowering bulbs was shaped. I am fond of amaryllis, crinums, clivias, zephyranthes, but most especially hymenocallis. All of these bulbs do well in the fast draining decomposed granite soil of Kagel Canyon. Ever so slowly, parts of my yard (well protected from rabbits, gophers and deer) are starting to look like my Southern Louisiana childhood "home." While that is all well and good, I also have an obsessive nature and want to collect and grow as many varieties of these bulbs as is available to me. With that in mind, my current obsession is Hymenocallis Imperialis (BIG FATTY). I hope that someone here will have some to share. I am currently growing Hymenocallis: coronaria, liriosme, littoralos and festalis, with plans to share these bulbs in the future as the bulblets mature. Thanks for reading, Wood From 64kkmjr@gmail.com Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: Karl Church <64kkmjr@gmail.com> Subject: Hello all Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 11:35:06 -0700 Welcome Wood, You've come to a great site & I'm sure the members will be very helpful in your search for Hemerocallis. Karl Church Dinuba, CA zone 9b On Aug 31, 2014 10:38 AM, "Wood Grigsby via pbs" wrote: > I am new to this site. I live in Southern California on a mountain at > elevation 2000 feet in an arid climate. This is a huge difference from my > early years spent in the bayous of Southern Louisiana, where my tastes in > flowering bulbs was shaped. I am fond of amaryllis, crinums, clivias, > zephyranthes, but most especially hymenocallis. > > All of these bulbs do well in the fast draining decomposed granite soil of > Kagel Canyon. Ever so slowly, parts of my yard (well protected from > rabbits, gophers and deer) are starting to look like my Southern Louisiana > childhood "home." > While that is all well and good, I also have an obsessive nature and want > to collect and grow as many varieties of these bulbs as is available to me. > > With that in mind, my current obsession is Hymenocallis Imperialis (BIG > FATTY). I hope that someone here will have some to share. > I am currently growing Hymenocallis: coronaria, liriosme, littoralos and > festalis, with plans to share these bulbs in the future as the bulblets > mature. > > Thanks for reading, > Wood > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From klazina1@gmail.com Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <54037375.10302@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: What's Blooming in AZ in August Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 07:11:49 +1200 Zephyranthes Lilypies group. Like Habranthus tubispathus there is a lot of variations in this species. Ina Crossley On 1/09/2014 1:30 a.m., David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > On 31/08/2014 01:29, Pamela Slate wrote: >> we'll have an answer. And I'll try to have a photo on the Mystery Bulbs >> page as soon as possible, even though I'm an inept photographer. > > Pamela's photos are here: > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MysteryBulbs#PSMystery2 > > > From michaelcmace@gmail.com Sun, 31 Aug 2014 14:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <055601cfc55b$f3f5c5e0$dbe151a0$@gmail.com> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: Hello all Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:41:32 -0700 Hi, Wood! Kagel Canyon, eh? That's a beautiful area. (For folks who don't know, it's in the mountains on the edge of Los Angeles.) I grew up in Granada Hills, about seven miles west of you. My family used to take drives up into the mountains on weekends, to look at scenery and plants. The jagged, dry mountains are cut by canyons that are surprisingly lush and cool. There are a few old homesites along streams up there, with the homes long gone, where daffodils have naturalized in the thousands and bloom in the spring. The weather in the mountains is just cold enough to give the daffs the necessary chill. Wood, I'm tempted to give you a lecture on the incredible range of summer-dry bulbs you can grow in southern California that you can't grow in Louisiana. But I think everyone should grow what they love, and the nice thing about your climate is that it's flexible enough to grow almost anything (as long as you can get enough water!). I'm afraid I can't help you with the summer-wet bulbs you specialize in, but I'm sure you'll find folks on this list who can. Welcome! Mike San Jose, CA PS: If you get adventurous, you might want to try some of the Amaryllids that are adapted to your new climate. I'm thinking about Amaryllis (the species), Brunsvigia, etc. They'll be very easy for you to grow, and look similar to your Crinums and Hippeastrums, but with a different growth pattern. They're also very resistant to gophers. I should have some seeds to share this winter if you're interested. Let me know... From pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sun, 31 Aug 2014 14:17:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1409519170.33377.YahooMailNeo@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Wood Grigsby via pbs Subject: Hello all Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 14:06:10 -0700 Thanks Mike, Please feel free to suggest/lecture all you want. My son and new grandson live with me so their memories will be shaped by the things I grow in this rain forsaken, gopher infested, rabbit plagued, deer trampled, rabbit warrened landscape. Thanks again, Wood On Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:41 PM, Michael Mace wrote: Hi, Wood! Kagel Canyon, eh? That's a beautiful area. (For folks who don't know, it's in the mountains on the edge of Los Angeles.) I grew up in Granada Hills, about seven miles west of you. My family used to take drives up into the mountains on weekends, to look at scenery and plants. The jagged, dry mountains are cut by canyons that are surprisingly lush and cool. There are a few old homesites along streams up there, with the homes long gone, where daffodils have naturalized in the thousands and bloom in the spring. The weather in the mountains is just cold enough to give the daffs the necessary chill. Wood, I'm tempted to give you a lecture on the incredible range of summer-dry bulbs you can grow in southern California that you can't grow in Louisiana. But I think everyone should grow what they love, and the nice thing about your climate is that it's flexible enough to grow almost anything (as long as you can get enough water!). I'm afraid I can't help you with the summer-wet bulbs you specialize in, but I'm sure you'll find folks on this list who can. Welcome! Mike San Jose, CA PS: If you get adventurous, you might want to try some of the Amaryllids that are adapted to your new climate. I'm thinking about Amaryllis (the species), Brunsvigia, etc. They'll be very easy for you to grow, and look similar to your Crinums and Hippeastrums, but with a different growth pattern. They're also very resistant to gophers. I should have some seeds to share this winter if you're interested. Let me know...