Hello Ben, I would be very interested in reading your pdf article on the taxaonomy of narcissus species. Could you please email me a copy Many thanks Jim Lykos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zonneveld, B.J.M." <Ben.Zonneveld@naturalis.nl> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:04 AM Subject: [pbs] narcissus species >I like to remind you that I wrote an article on the taxonomy of all >narcissus species, based on 375 accessions, in 2008 in Plant systematics >and evolution 275: 109-132 and a second article on the origin of N bujei in >Anales del Jardin Botanico Madrid 67(1): 29-39. Both are based on nuclear >DNA content > I can send a pdf to those interested > > Kind regards, > > B.J.M.Zonneveld > > > > T +31 (0)71 527 47 38, T +31 (0)71 527 50 08 > Einsteinweg 2, P.O. Box 9514, 2300 RA Leiden, The Netherlands > E ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl, I http://www.naturalis.nl/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] > On Behalf Of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > Sent: zondag 24 maart 2013 9:02 > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 122, Issue 33 > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: ID request (Fred Biasella) > 2. Re: ID request (Mary Sue Ittner) > 3. Re: Zephyranthes primulina hybrid (Ina) > 4. Re: Zephyranthes primulina hybrid (Ina) > 5. Re: What I saw in bloom (Alberto Castillo) > 6. Re: Identifying Narcissus species (Rodger Whitlock) > 7. hello, what's blooming in my garden (arcangelo wessells) > 8. Re: Identifying Narcissus species (Hannon) > 9. Overwintering Nerine bowdenii (J. Denys Bourque) > 10. Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus (J. Denys Bourque) > 11. Re: Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus (Bulborum Botanicum) > 12. Re: hello, what's blooming in my garden: hybrids between > californian paeonia (Mark BROWN) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:35:59 -0400 > From: "Fred Biasella" <arlen.jose@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] ID request > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <PBEDKJJBDECGAAGPOEDCEEGEEDAA.arlen.jose@verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Hi Ben, > > It almost looks like a spiloxene. > > Fred > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org > [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Ben Anderson > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 11:53 AM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: [pbs] ID request > > > Anyone have a name on this unknown? It has been blooming the last few > weeks and is now winding down. Apparently a winter grower here in the SF > bay area... > > http://flickr.com/photos/btanderson/… > > Thanks, > Ben Anderson > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:14:56 -0700 > From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] ID request > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <20130323171520.807BCE8B8C@lists.ibiblio.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Spiloxene serrata is one of the longest blooming species. This year with a > dry January, February, and March it is really been putting on a show as > there have been a lot more sunny days with enough warmth for the flowers > to open. It started blooming in December and is still blooming in March. > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… > > It may not be as spectacular as Spiloxene capensis, but it is a much more > reliable and longer bloomer. I suspect this is what your unknown is. > > Mary Sue > > Mary Sue Ittner > California's North Coast > Wet mild winters with occasional frost > Dry mild summers > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:06:05 +1300 > From: Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Zephyranthes primulina hybrid > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <514E0B2D.3080002@orcon.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Only the one bulb had 2 doubles like this Steven. Until I accidentally > broke a flower off, and then there was one..... :'( > > Ina Crossley > Auckland New Zealand Zone 10 > > On 24/03/2013 12:23 a.m., steven hart wrote: >> Ina i was also wondering if every flower on this plant is double ? >> >> On 22 March 2013 20:06, Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>> What I found in my garden today >>> >>> https://picasaweb.google.com/102349754034616089606… >>> ranthus?authkey=Gv1sRgCNj_oNuK9aakLQ#5858036208409452082 >>> >>> Ina >>> >>> -- >>> Ina Crossley >>> Auckland New Zealand Zone 10 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:09:57 +1300 > From: Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Zephyranthes primulina hybrid > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <514E0C15.9010702@orcon.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Stev, they are twinned, I looked at the embryo seedheads yesterday and as > you say, they are slightly flattened. Felix Fajar Martha says that > eventually I should be able to get it into a double. The future will > tell. > > Ina Crossley > Auckland New Zealand Zone 10 > > On 24/03/2013 12:20 a.m., steven hart wrote: >> Maybe we should try to cross my Twin Habranthus with your Double / >> Twin Zephyranthes, I wonder if that is even possible ??? >> >> Steven Esk QLD Australia >> >> if it is a true double it would be wonderful & would be fun to see >> if you can breed different colours with it... > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:53:45 +0000 > From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] What I saw in bloom > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <BAY156-W7C9C54C6CD43F233CDEEEAED50@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Right now around Buenos Aires, its natural habitat, is still in massive > bloom but some capsules are open and shedding seeds. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:42:43 -0700 > From: "Rodger Whitlock" <totototo@telus.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Identifying Narcissus species > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <514DF7A3.12665.3996@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On 22 Mar 2013, at 10:33, Michael Mace wrote: > >> Personal opinion: we won't be able to really make sense of the genus >> [Narcissus] without genetic analysis. > > Personal opinion: genetic analysis won't help much. > > It's pretty clear that on the Iberian peninsula, the genus Narcissus is > undergoing active speciation. The fixed category "species" just doesn't > work very well under such circumstances, just as it's of questionable > utility in paleontology. (The paleontological day is saved thanks (a) to > the fact that only a tiny subset of all organisms is fossilized and (b) > per Stephen Jay Gould, active speciation is a relatively fast process, so > fossilization of true intermediates would be rare. > > It strikes me that the situation with Iberian narcissus may be like that > with the Pacific Coast irises, where logging has created "bio-ways" > linking distinct species and allowing them to hybridize freely. I've read > that some of the PCI species are actually at risk of being hybridized out > of existence. > > The usual definition of species is a population of plants that can breed > together but does not _or_cannot_ breed with other species. When > interbreeding is prevented by ecological barriers, if those barriers are > disrupted, suddenly formerly good species stop looking so good. > > Human habitation of the Iberian Peninsula goes back some tens of thousands > of years. It may be that the clearing of forests and similar ecological > degradation lies at the root of the complexities of Iberian narcissus. > > > > -- > Rodger Whitlock > Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > Z. 7-8, cool Mediterranean climate > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:28:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: arcangelo wessells <arcangelow@yahoo.com> > Subject: [pbs] hello, what's blooming in my garden > To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: > <1364092114.51091.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hello everyone. My name is Arcangelo Wessells. I have been a member just > over one year but this is my first post. I live in Vallejo, ?CA. Just at > the East end of the San Francisco bay area. I have a small garden so I > have resorted to ?small slow growing plants to extend the joy of > gardening. I raise plants from seed in pots but I try to get them in the > ground as soon as possible. Some bulbs disappear quickly but others are > tough and I am much fond of the way they look in the ground. I am trying > to make it look as natural as possible. I am interested mainly in Paeonia, > Gethyllis, Fritillaria and Calochortus. I will have more photos to share > later this year, but many of my plants are still to young to flower. I am > also very interested in Castilleja and Orobanche and other parasitic > plants. > So this week I have Paeonia mascula ssp russoi fading out. It rained last > week and really made the flower more beautiful. > http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/… > > > ??Paeonia cambessedesii just opened today. A bit harder to photograph. It > works best at 7am as I go to work. > http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/… > > and > http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/… > > > Also some Trillium ovatum: > http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/… > > > They are my first flowers on seed grown plants from Archibalds. Paeonia > californica bloomed one month ago but I would love to try to cross them in > the future. > > arcangelo > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:33:42 -0700 > From: Hannon <othonna@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Identifying Narcissus species > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: > <CAFsz2W8mgfux5AL-HmJjxsrh2F1UJA9v8sjEQnXyFkvay7OV0w@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Rodger makes some excellent points. There seem to be similar phenomena in > epiphytic rhododendrons and bromeliads, where disturbance such as road > building or logging creates light gaps that alter the behavior of > pollinators and modify opportunities for the plants. Some vireyas are > relatively uncommon in closed-canopy forest but roadsides in the same > forest can create ideal secondary habitat for them to thrive and meet with > congeners they would otherwise be more isolated from. The case is probably > more dynamic with bromeliads like Guzmania species since their seeds are > wind-dispersed. > > Regarding Narcissus, it's too bad there is not a formal taxonomic rank of > "species complex" for a suite of closely allied taxa that may intergrade > with one another-- or may be actively diverging from one common ancestor. > > Dylan > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:03:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: "J. Denys Bourque" <jdbourq@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [pbs] Overwintering Nerine bowdenii > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: > <1364058183.39767.YahooMailNeo@web161805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Last fall I asked the group for advice on overwintering Nerine bowdenii > indoors. > I got a variety of answers for which I was/am very grateful. But it seemed > not many had experience with this species in USA Zone 3. I finally left > them in their pot and positioned it about 1 m = 3 ft from the patio door > and 20 cm = 8 in. from the radiator and stopped watering them. > > Low and behold, one sprouted 2 wks ago, and the 3 others yesterday, with 2 > babies as a bonus. > > I'm very happy, and wanted to share this with you all. > > ? > J. Denys Bourque > Ing?nieur forestier / Professional Forester > 19, rue Michaud > Saint-Jacques, NB?? E7B 1M1 > CANADA > T?l./Tel. : +1 506 739-6471 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:17:33 -0700 (PDT) > From: "J. Denys Bourque" <jdbourq@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [pbs] Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: > <1364059053.23113.YahooMailNeo@web161805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Dear all, > I have some Chocolate Cosmos tubers, and don't know how to plant them. I > searched Internet, but didn't find anything useful; and would appreciate > any advice on this: > 1. There is one clump about 4-5 in. in length, of five "pieces" (tubers??) > sort of welded together at one end, with fine white rootlets almost all > the way to the tips at the other end. I was thinking to plant the "welded" > part down and the "pointed tips" upwards, with about 1 in. of the tips > above the soil. But then, considering the presence of rootlets near the > tips I figure maybe I should plant the entire bunch sideways. > 2. There are also two pieces not connected to the other bunch, also with > long "tails" or tips, and also with white rootlets, but apparently broken > off at the other end. These I thought of planting sideways. > 3. How deep should I plant them? > Grateful for any advice. > > Sincerely, > ? > J. Denys Bourque > Saint-Jacques, NB?? CANADA > Canda Zone 3A ; USA Zone 3 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 07:56:20 +0100 > From: Bulborum Botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: > <CABsCM2oKwP+AXRJ+wEg=DAX-HGKOnPW8h3Ompy2ANO-X0Ry6hw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Denys > > I plant them just as Dahlia > > Roland > > > 2013/3/23 J. Denys Bourque <jdbourq@yahoo.co.uk>: >> Dear all, >> I have some Chocolate Cosmos tubers, and don't know how to plant them. I >> searched Internet, but didn't find anything useful; and would appreciate >> any advice on this: >> 1. There is one clump about 4-5 in. in length, of five "pieces" >> (tubers??) sort of welded together at one end, with fine white rootlets >> almost all the way to the tips at the other end. I was thinking to plant >> the "welded" part down and the "pointed tips" upwards, with about 1 in. >> of the tips above the soil. But then, considering the presence of >> rootlets near the tips I figure maybe I should plant the entire bunch >> sideways. >> 2. There are also two pieces not connected to the other bunch, >> also with long "tails" or tips, and also with white rootlets, but >> apparently broken off at the other end. These I thought of planting >> sideways. >> 3. How deep should I plant them? >> Grateful for any advice. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> J. Denys Bourque >> Saint-Jacques, NB CANADA >> Canda Zone 3A ; USA Zone 3 >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > -- > R de Boer > La Maugardiere 1 > F 27260 EPAIGNES > FRANCE > > Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > Email: bulborum@gmail.com > Facebook: https://facebook.com/pages/Bulborum/… > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:02:11 +0100 (CET) > From: Mark BROWN <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr> > Subject: Re: [pbs] hello, what's blooming in my garden: hybrids > between californian paeonia > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <1635967466.2604.1364112131354.JavaMail.www@wwinf1f18> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Dear Arcangelo, > I fully encourage you in your idea of hybridising these paeonia. > I have often dreamed of doing just that. And wondered if any one had ever > tried? > Anyone know of hybrids between californian paeonia and the other species? > ? > Mark > > > > > >> Message du 24/03/13 03:28 > " So this week I have Paeonia mascula ssp russoi fading out. > ? Paeonia cambessedesii just opened today. > ?Paeonia californica bloomed one month ago but I would love to try to > cross them in the future. >> >> arcangelo" > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 122, Issue 33 > ************************************ > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/