I agree with you Greg, when I think of the wars and interventions as well as economic actions by the USA within my lifetime, this imperial style criticism of other nations becomes preposterous. However this is all massively off topic. In my opinion, unraveling fraudulent plant (bulb) sales in Chen yi's name is not! There are generous Chinese members of this forum who should not have to withstand such abuse of their culture. Peter (UK) On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Greg Ruckert <greg@alpacamanagement.com>wrote: > > > No we can't be more diplomatic. China is the single most corrupt country > > on the planet. They will stop at nothing to make a profit. They are > > hacking all of are companies, they do not respect copyright laws. Their > > only goal is to dominate all countries in trade. They do not care if > > their products imperil their workers or others. There is no way to make > > this diplomatic because of reality. Joe Kraatz, Oceanside, CA > > And who owns the companies that profit from the poor conditions that they > work in, that sell the products? > >