No, no, more stimulative than provocative! It's always a germane topic and I was only wondering why Symplocarpus should be considered a geophyte. It strikes me as a swamp perennial but that's just one opinion. The aquatic crinums are a case similar to various true geophytes that are perfectly evergreen (like Crinum asiaticum or Cyanastrum cordifolium). Only by exploring the growth habits of "marginal plants" can we arrive at a better view of what *is* a geophyte. Dylan