On 24 February 2012 18:04, Paul T. <ptyerman@ozemail.com.au> wrote: Steven have you noticed that there is an automatic bid placed by the vendor after every single bid, adding $5 to the price just bid? click on the "Show Automatic Bids" to the top right of the listing..... it's an eye opener. WOW Paul, that's an eye opener alright ! No i didn't see that... To be honest i just grabbed any old link out of hundreds of them, i didn't even look at the bidding thing, i was just showing them to Sujit who asked what a cold frame was, & who ever else might like to see them, they are pretty cool i have looked at them before, & would like one, but i need to make my own out of glass because i'm in a very high bush fire spark area, so it would melt ha ha..... I'm fascinated by the automatic bid thing, i would have never known they can do that, what a scam.... Steven : ) Esk Queensland Australia Summer Zone 5 Winter Zone 10