Rich, I wasn't going to respond to this until I noticed where you're writing from. Did you know that not quite a century ago Bellingham, Washington was a hot bed of lily breeding? In the time between the First and Second World Wars David Griffiths had thousands and thousands of seedlings of lily hybrids derived from (he assumed) Lilium humboldtii crossed with, among other species, Lilium pardalinum and other west coast species. Out of these he selected about a dozen to be named and clonally propagated. Sadly, few if any of the named cultivars survive. The one to persist longest in the trade was 'Shuksan ' and I grew it decades ago. Lilies of this type were long sold under the name Bellingham Hybrids (and may still be). I would not be surprised if much of what is sold as Lilium pardalinum in the mass distribution catalogs are these Bellingham hybrids. Griffiths started from seed obtained from Carl Purdy; he got over 3000 seedlings from his original sowing in 1919. A decade later he had plants by the thousands. He also propagated from scales taken from mature plants while those plants were blooming. And he planted the scales two inches deep. Since you have offsets, I think you should plant those at least as deep. Now, here's a question for those of you with experience with the indigenous languages of western North America. Is the -san in Shuksan in any way related to the common Japanese honorific -san as in Fuji-san? Jim McKenney