Jim, I do not understand what you mean. Is it "somatic hybrid"? If so, how is it possible in the old hybrid? Marek Walnik, Poland -----Oryginalna wiadomosc----- From: jim lykos Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Crinum Identification Please ... The other larger open rose pink coloured Crinum looks very much like a C. moorei hybrid - but one which is possibly a stomatic hybrid? showing most of the features of a good C. moorei flower ....