There are always going to be splitters and lumpers. This is actually fortunate, as it allows us to pick whichever system we prefer! What we need to avoid is lumping in ways that generate paraphyletic groups. I've not been following the maneuvers in Hyacinthaceae, but I hope we can keep it simple. I would like to see the full article, which is apparently not available to non-subscribers. Maybe the senior author would make it available to someone....? Jim Shields Annals of Botany 107: 137, 2011 available online at http://www.aob.oxfordjournals.org/ Molecular phylogenetics of subfamily Ornithogaloideae (Hyacinthaceae) based on nuclear and plastid DNA regions, including a new taxonomic arrangement by Mario Martínez Azorín, Manuel B. Crespo, Ana Juan and Michael F. Fay ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344