Having seen this sort of discussion flare up on the list before, I have a feeling that we're annoying some of the list members. Sorry about that. I've made this offer before, but I'd like to repeat it -- I think something constructive we could do in this area is to develop a voluntary code of conduct for species bulb-growing, to reduce even further the risk of a bulb escaping into the wild. This would help show the regulatory authorities that we can be part of the solution, rather than part of the problem. The code could include: --Guidelines for how to dispose of used potting soil that might have bulblets in it. I don't actually know what is the best way to do this. --Steps to take with bulbs that have wind-dispersed seeds, if you live in an area where they might naturalize (ie, deadhead them). --A central place online for gathering invasiveness reports from our own experiences, and reporting bulbs that have escaped into the wild, if we spot that locally. If we did it right, I think we could show the authorities that it's to their advantage to support our activity, because we can help them focus on species that actually are a potential threat. We could be their early warning system. Is anyone else interested in this? OK, I'll get off the soapbox now. Mike San Jose, CA