pbs Digest, Vol 96, Issue 25

Barbara Vorlop bvorlop@comcast.net
Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:41:40 PST
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>   1. Re: Seed permit (Michael Mace)
>   2. Re: seed permit (AW)
>   3. Favorite stories about bulbs? (Michael Mace)
>   4. Re: Favorite stories about bulbs? (Mark BROWN)
>   5. Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service (Laura & Dave)
>   6. Re: Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service (Mark BROWN)
>   7. Re: Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service (Brian Whyer)
>   8. Re: Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service (Brian Whyer)
>   9. Re: Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service
>      (bulborum botanicum)
>  10. Re: Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service (Brian Whyer)
>  11. Re: Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service
>      (bulborum botanicum)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:01:06 -0800
> From: "Michael Mace" <mikemace@att.net>
> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Seed permit
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> Dennis wrote:
>
>>> Wow. The e-application is hardly efficient or time-saving.  So now I
> have to drive to another county and show my photo ID ?!??  No thanks.
> I'll just mail in a paper application.  Geez.
>
> I had exactly the same reaction when I applied.  For those of you who are
> not familiar with what we're talking about, the US government gives you 
> two
> ways to apply for a seed import permit -- you can sign up for the 
> electronic
> filing system, or you can print and mail in a paper form.  The government
> website strongly encourages you to use the electronic system, and in fact
> it's hard to find the paper form at all.
>
> But to use the electronic system, your ID has to be hand-verified by an
> official of the US Department of Agriculture.  And USDA offices are,
> naturally, in rural areas where the farms are.  They don't have them in
> cities.  When I first applied for my seed permit, I wasted a huge amount 
> of
> time trying to figure out how I'd get over to my closest USDA office 
> during
> business hours.  It's in Hollister, CA (a small town about 90 minutes 
> south
> of San Jose).  Then finally I realized that I could just mail in the form.
>
> Why they have to physically verify your ID to use an online form, but not 
> to
> use a mail-in form, is one of the great mysteries 21st century America.
>
> Mike
> San Jose, CA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:01:44 -0800
> From: "AW" <awilson@avonia.com>
> To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] seed permit
> Message-ID: <61A041F0ABA34C58957DE5703C81AFE9@Desktop>
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>
> Huh! Just scan in your ID.
>
> Andrew
>
> From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]
> On Behalf Of Dennis Kramb
> Subject: Re: [pbs] seed permit
>
> Wow. The e-application is hardly efficient or time-saving.  So now I have 
> to
> drive to another county and show my photo ID ?!??  No thanks.
> I'll just mail in a paper application.  Geez.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 23:08:21 -0800
> From: "Michael Mace" <michaelcmace@gmail.com>
> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [pbs] Favorite stories about bulbs?
> Message-ID: <003701cbba03$28a79290$79f6b7b0$@com>
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>
> Like many of us, I have a fair number of bulb-related books at home.  I 
> was
> paging through them the other day, looking for some information, when I
> realized that there are basically two types of bulb books.  One is the
> reference book, which focuses on giving information about various bulb
> species.  These books are usually great resources, especially if they have
> pictures.
>
>
>
> The other type of bulb book is something we don't have a name for, but 
> I'll
> call it a narrative because it usually tells a story.  A bulb narrative is
> more about finding and growing bulbs than about classifying them.  Even if
> it gives information on various bulb species, it's usually focused on the
> experiences the author has had with them.  Although the reference books 
> are
> very useful, I find it's these narrative books that stick with me the 
> most,
> and they're the ones I'll happily go back to and re-read again.
>
>
>
> Two examples:
>
>
>
> Louise Beebe Wilder's "Adventures with Hardy Bulbs" is entertaining 
> because
> she honestly did think of bulb growing as an adventure.  When she writes
> about bulbs they aren't just plants, they are personalities.  Some are 
> nice
> personalities; some are evil.  But they are never boring, and her endless
> fascination with them is infectious.
>
>
>
> The second example is Janis Ruksans' "Buried Treasures."  This book has 
> been
> mentioned on this list a couple of times, but in case you missed it, 
> Ruksans
> is a Latvian bulb collector who has wandered all over the former Soviet 
> bloc
> looking for bulbs.  He has a remarkable talent for getting into and out of
> difficult spots, both geographically and politically, and this book
> summarizes his travels.  A typical chapter goes something like this:
>
>                1. Drive up hazardous dirt road into mountains looking for
> rare bulb.
>
>                2. Find bulb.
>
>                3. Nearly get shot by nervous border guard who thinks he is
> a terrorist.
>
>                4. Bribe border guard.
>
>                5. Go out to dinner and drinking with border guard.
>
>                6. Repeat process the next day.
>
>
>
> I'd be terrified to travel with the guy, but it makes for fun reading. 
> And
> like Wilder's book, what makes the story work is the author's complete,
> over-the-top obsession with bulbs.
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone else agree with me about bulb narrative books, and if so, what
> are your favorites?  I'd like to find some more books to read.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> San Jose, CA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 09:13:06 +0100 (CET)
> From: Mark BROWN <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Favorite stories about bulbs?
> Message-ID: <27073187.69541.1295683986735.JavaMail.www@wwinf1d18>
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>
>
>
>
> Hello,
> I for one am very fond of E. A. Bowles' gardening books.
> His description of a "simple" bulb is a classic!
> He was not very widely travelled though by todays standards.
> Just european based and thus mostly european bulbs.
> His description of Dracunculus muscivorus is quite something too!
>
> Mark
>
>
>> Message du 22/01/11 08:08
>> De : "Michael Mace"
>> A : pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
>> Copie ? :
>> Objet : [pbs] Favorite stories about bulbs?
>>
>> "Like many of us, I have a fair number of bulb-related books at home. I 
>> was
>> paging through them the other day, looking for some information, when I
>> realized that there are basically two types of bulb books....
>
>> Does anyone else agree with me about bulb narrative books, and if so, 
>> what
>> are your favorites? I'd like to find some more books to read."
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> San Jose, CA
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 01:04:39 -0800
> From: Laura & Dave <toadlily@olywa.net>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [pbs] Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service
> Message-ID: <4D3A9DA7.3050501@olywa.net>
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>
>   I just got the book Crocuses: A Complete Guide to the Genus byJanis 
> Ruksans
> and Brian Mathew.  And my first impression is Wow!  Perhaps now I can 
> begin to
> make sense of this genus.  I haven't had a chance to read much, but it 
> seems to
> be full of information from someone who is actually 
> finding/growing/studying the
> plants.  And there is a bit of the same fun mentioned in a recent post 
> from
> Michael Mace, regarding the author.
>   Amazon has a great price break at the moment on this book ($26.73, 
> savings of
> 41%), and if you wish to order the book from them, please consider 
> accessing
> their website through the NARGS (North American Rock Garden Society) 
> website
> (nargs.org).  NARGS now gets a small percentage for purchases at Amazon 
> when
> entered through the NARGS link.  This works even for items NARGS doesn't 
> have a
> direct link for, that you must search for when you get to Amazon.  And you 
> don't
> need to be a member of NARGS.  Perhaps the PBS should look into this 
> association
> as well, but in the mean time another worthy plant society would 
> appreciate your
> support, especially since this costs nothing extra and you still get all 
> the
> normal features that Amazon offers.
>
> Thanks,
>   Dave Brastow, looking forward to the 4 days of cold but sunny weather
> promised by the weather service.
>   Tumwater, Washington
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:41:22 +0100 (CET)
> From: Mark BROWN <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service
> Message-ID: <16148418.45752.1295692882726.JavaMail.www@wwinf1h15>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hello Dave,
> I would love to buy the book bit NARGS does not list it on their 
> website...
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>> Message du 22/01/11 10:25
>> De : "Laura & Dave"
>> A : "Pacific Bulb Society"
>> Copie ? :
>> Objet : [pbs] Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service
>>
>> I just got the book Crocuses: A Complete Guide to the Genus byJanis 
>> Ruksans
>> and Brian Mathew. And my first impression is Wow! Perhaps now I can begin 
>> to
>> make sense of this genus. I haven't had a chance to read much, but it 
>> seems to
>> be full of information from someone who is actually 
>> finding/growing/studying the
>> plants. And there is a bit of the same fun mentioned in a recent post 
>> from
>> Michael Mace, regarding the author.
>> Amazon has a great price break at the moment on this book ($26.73, 
>> savings of
>> 41%), and if you wish to order the book from them, please consider 
>> accessing
>> their website through the NARGS (North American Rock Garden Society) 
>> website
>> (nargs.org). NARGS now gets a small percentage for purchases at Amazon 
>> when
>> entered through the NARGS link. This works even for items NARGS doesn't 
>> have a
>> direct link for, that you must search for when you get to Amazon. And you 
>> don't
>> need to be a member of NARGS. Perhaps the PBS should look into this 
>> association
>> as well, but in the mean time another worthy plant society would 
>> appreciate your
>> support, especially since this costs nothing extra and you still get all 
>> the
>> normal features that Amazon offers.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave Brastow, looking forward to the 4 days of cold but sunny weather
>> promised by the weather service.
>> Tumwater, Washington
>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:56:48 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Brian Whyer <brian.whyer@btinternet.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service
> Message-ID: <417809.65530.qm@web86302.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi Mark
> ?
> It appears you have to click on the Amazon advert in the centre on the 
> first page, when it appears, and then on the bottom of the next page for a 
> similar advert. But this takes you to the US Amazon which you may prefer 
> not to use.
> Is there a way we can get to our own, Amazon UK in my case, Amazon FR for 
> Mark,?and still support NARGS?
> ?
> I forget the proportion of non US membership of NARGS, but if the AGS at 
> ~30% non UK
> membership is anything to go buy this may be a large number of members.
> ?
> Brian Whyer, Buckinghamshire, England, zone ~8
>
> --- On Sat, 22/1/11, Mark BROWN <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>
> Hello Dave,
> I would love to buy the book bit NARGS does not list it on their 
> website...
> Mark
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:05:39 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Brian Whyer <brian.whyer@btinternet.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service
> Message-ID: <600329.1604.qm@web86304.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> My mistake. The second click is on the Aisles links. I guess it is a 
> simulated bookshop.
> ?
> Brian
>
> --- On Sat, 22/1/11, Mark BROWN <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>
> Hello Dave,
> I would love to buy the book bit NARGS does not list it on their 
> website...
> Mark
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:17:39 +0100
> From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTikTWRBFY1KdXUyPpR7-zYKrhJVNs3jHwYQ88RPG@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> In France the Crocus book is much more expensive
> Acheter neuf: original price EUR 36,17  Amazon price EUR 33,48  = $45,47
> maybe it is cheaper to buy in America and send to France
>
> Roland
>
>
> -- 
> R de Boer
> La Maugardiere 1
> F 27260 EPAIGNES
> FRANCE
>
> Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204
> Email:?? bulborum@gmail.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:30:21 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Brian Whyer <brian.whyer@btinternet.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service
> Message-ID: <181325.48206.qm@web86306.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
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>
> UK price is $33.6., still a bit dearer than US price but better. Depends 
> on postage/shipping and delivery time.
> ?
> Brian
>
> In France the Crocus book is much more expensive
> Acheter neuf: original price EUR 36,17? Amazon price EUR 33,48? = $45,47
> maybe it is cheaper to buy in America and send to France
>
> Roland
>
>
> -- 
> R de Boer
> La Maugardiere 1
> F 27260 EPAIGNES
> FRANCE
>
> Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204
> Email:?? bulborum@gmail.com
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:06:50 +0100
> From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com>
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Crocus Book and a plug for NARGS book service
> Message-ID:
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>
> I tried Amazon Netherlands
> you are linked to Amazon.com
> with a free shipment
> after completing the whole form
> ready for payee  then they charge you $23 for the post
> saying at the end ,just in the US is free
>
> Roland
>
>
>
> 2011/1/22 Brian Whyer <brian.whyer@btinternet.com>:
>> UK price is $33.6., still a bit dearer than US price but better. Depends 
>> on postage/shipping and delivery time.
>
>
> -- 
> R de Boer
> La Maugardiere 1
> F 27260 EPAIGNES
> FRANCE
>
> Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204
> Email:?? bulborum@gmail.com
>
>
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