Dale: I agree with others who have chimed in that the first "Hymenocallis" is actually a Crinum. The seeds of these species float so it may have escaped cultivation and floated to the edge of the mangrove where you found it. The second set of pictures, however, so belong to a Hymenocallis species. There are two species that are reported from that part of Mexico State. They are: 1. *Hymenocallis** harrisiana*. Herb. 2. *Hymenocallis** littoralis*. (Jacq.) Salisb. The first species is definitely much more common and is almost always found in gallery forest growing at the edges of small rivers. It has acute, linear leaves that are not very wide. Also the segments of the flowers are very narrow. The second species is less common but there are verified reports of plants found in tropical deciduous forest. Also, it does not have such high moisture requirements like H. harrisiana. If I had to take a guess, I would say that your plant is likely H. littoralis, but without seeing it in person it's impossible to be certain. -Dennis Message: 1 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:01:32 -0400 (EDT) From: DalesMicro@aol.com Subject: [pbs] Two Hymneocallis? from Mexico To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <1b468.5e5e811b.3b71625c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" A couple more unidentified bulbs I found blooming in the wild in Mexico. Any help in ID'ing these plants (or directing me to an expert for this family or genus) would be appreciated . The first is from the edge of a Manglar on the lagoon side of the sand bar near Barra Coyuca, Guerrero (about 20 KM north west of Acapulco. It was growing in a place that floods, only a few meters above sea level. The plants are up to a meter tall, and the flowers over 15 cm in diameter. The pictures were taken on 30 July of this year. The link is: _http://http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/… from%20Barra%20de%20Coyuca%20Guerrero/_<http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/…> (http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/… %20%20from%20Barra%20de%20Coyuca%20Guerrer o/<http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/…> ) The second is from a hillside just east of El Platanar, Estado de Mexico on a semi-arid, somewhat grazed, west facing, slope at an elevation of 1240 meters in the semi shade of a blooming but leafless Calabash tree. The plants, including the flower are up to 30 cm tall. I photographed this plant on 4 June of this year. The link for this plant is: _http://http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/… menocallis%20from%20El%20Platanar%20Mexico/_<http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/…> ( http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/… ar%20Mexico/<http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/…> ) Thanks again, Dale On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:02 AM, <pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote: > http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/… > menocallis%20from%20El%20Platanar%20Mexico/_<http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/…>