Yes, Jim.. But how is the average gardener to determine the level of discourse and sophistication needed to address these matters? How is one to assess the level of information required to understand. This gap is not just in this forum but nationwide--affecting politics--0ur national destiny, the BP oil spill, and the entire world. The problem was noted by Snow more than 50 years ago, and hasn't lessened. It's not just that a botanist can't understand an astrophysicist or a geneticist talking to an oil geologist or a molecular chemist talking to and understanding a materials engineer. (Or me talking to my adult children/kids) The word meanings of the most ordinary words aren't ordinary any more. And we haven't even gotten into why a hybrid swarm of plants should appear to be more or less identical even in the F2 generation. Is anyone brave anough to address this? Or would it be considered off topic? -- , i.e.,to talk about what we're talking about -- or trying to establish definitions? It might be useful. This is not "mere" political correctness within even the narrow range of topics discussed here-- to be summarily dismissed because it's "mere". I hear a desire for information here from some participants in this forum. Shall it be addressed? and How? Outsource these folks to a college level course? A high school level course? Maybe. Dunno. Jim. It bothers me too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Waddick" <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 4:37 PM Subject: [pbs] Species of hybrid origin - treatment > Dear Friends, > Although I have vaguely followed the discussion, there is an > air of blind leading blind. > > The range of variation from a hybrid cultivar to a valid > species of hybrid origin is the topic of long weeks of discussion in > any college taxonomy course. Not for twitter replies. > > I suggest that if anyone is seriously interested, to look at > the appropriate heading in "International Code of Botanical > Nomenclature" or "International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated > Plants". Versions of both are available on line, although not the > newest of either. A similar code is available for Zoological > Nomenclature. > > There are numerous validly described and named species that > are now known to be of natural hybrid origin. Jane McGary mentions a > small fraction. Each case is the result of careful consideration. > > I don't even know where to start here, but do read something > relatively factual instead of making guesses and going off on > tangents. > > Best Jim W. > > > -- > Dr. James W. Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. > Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 > USA > Ph. 816-746-1949 > Zone 5 Record low -23F > Summer 100F + > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/