Hello Jim The origin of my Pinockio is from the original grower (It was the father of Dick Maas) The original plant was a plant from headborne seedlings this was the only plant who survived the -18°C winter near the Dutch coast long time ago at the nursery of Maas en van Stein In Hillegom after many years they gave it a name because it was a clone I will ask how the name exact is spelled on Monday maybe this is just the Dutch name and not the registered name Roland 2010/6/5 James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com>: >>Pinockio is tested in The Netherlands without cover at -18°C >>my coldest winter here was -12°C > > Dear Roland and all, > This cv is marketed as 'Pinocchio' in the > US . I just went through a half dozen bulb > references (it wasn't even in Phillips and Rix!) > and found no hardiness recommendation colder than > Zone 7. Close enough, but your -12 C is my 10.4 F > and not even close to most winters here that get > below 0 F or -5 F (-17 to -20 C). We get these > temps for extended period of night and day, not > just a passing overnight coldest temp. > > I need convincing they are hardy in Zone > 5. Missouri is the 'Show Me ' state. 'Nuf sed' > > Best Jim > -- > Dr. James W. Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. > Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 > USA > Ph. 816-746-1949 > Zone 5 Record low -23F > Summer 100F + > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com