Just for clarification: when I was getting my C. x powellii out, I wasn't trying to keep them intact - I was just trying to rid of them. The grub hoe worked fine for that (someone had commented that it didn't work well in such deep holes as those in which crinum reside). If you're trying to keep them pretty, it might not be the tool of choice. I do believe "grub hoe" is the more common usage (as opposed to "grubbing"). Google displays lots of examples, under either name. Ellen Ellen Hornig Seneca Hill Perennials 3712 County Route 57 Oswego NY 13126 USA http://www.senecahillperennials.com/