pbs Digest, Vol 87, Issue 28

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Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:29:37 PDT

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>   1. rain lily seeds or bulbs (kenny sufang)
>   2. Re: Vegetative Erythronium propagation (John Grimshaw)
>   3. Lilium scale production (iain@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org)
>   4. Re: Catching the frit eater (Boyce Tankersley)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:42:41 +1000
>From: "kenny sufang" <sufang@conxx.com>
>Subject: [pbs] rain lily seeds or bulbs
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>Hello Ron At Hervey Bay
>Can Not Get You On E- Mail
>Kenny
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>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:08:05 +0100
>From: "John Grimshaw" <j.grimshaw@virgin.net>
>Subject: Re: [pbs] Vegetative Erythronium propagation
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>I think it is generally the case that bulbous plants in natural habitats are 
>much less likely to multiply vegetatively than they are in cultivation, 
>perhaps due to increased competition for resources, predation, etc. I 
>recently visited the largest British population of Fritillaria meleagris 
>(millions of plants - see my blog) and it was very evident that the majority 
>of flowering plants were singletons, rather than clumps, and that scapes 
>with two flowers are very rare. In the garden, by contrast, bulbs planted 3 
>yrs ago, in the lawn, are already forming small clumps and many stems have 
>two flowers. That is one example, but it is rare to see what a gardener 
>would consider to be a 'good clump' of any bulb in the wild and why (for 
>horticultural purposes) it's important to select for clumping as a valuable 
>trait in a seedling population.
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>John Grimshaw
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>Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:01:17 +0100
>From: "iain@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org"
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>Subject: [pbs] Lilium scale production
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>Can I please comment on Paige Woodward's posting ref Lilium scales requiring material from the mother bulb's base plate otherwise bulbil production except by means of micro prop is not possible. If I correctly understand what Paige's view on this is, if not fulsome apologies, then I would like to respectfully offer a correction. 
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>Following propagation experiments here involving in excess of 80 + different botanical taxa bulbil production can be achieved from almost any part of a lily bulb scale. A good example of this is e.g. with the new North American taxon L. pyrophillum which has scales in two or three parts and as recently as yesterday I potted up over 20 bulbils originating from a single mother bulb whose scales were placed in damp vermiculite in late autumn last year. In other cases where e.g. [a] Trumpet Asian species with long narrow single scales bulbils can be produced from broken scales which have no base plate tissue, and [b] the Asian Alpine L. lophophorum along with our sp. nova L. montegena which I am frantically trying to bulk up by means of both scaling as well as seeds. In the case of LL soulei and bakerianum where some bulbs last summer and autumn showed signs of basal rot the sections of the scales with rot were excised using a razor blade more in hope than anything else however t
> hey proved their gratitude for remedial surgery by producing admittedly just a few bulbils but better that then the soggy mess anticipated if left to their own devices.
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>There are a few wee tricks which I have been working on to enable the above and while undoubtedly in need of much 'refinement' the methods and the growing medium do seem to be settling down to providing at least a rescue remedy but as Paige points out micro prop would probably be the best means to aid mass production however the objectives here are concerned with the maintenance of often rare botanical taxa rather than production of commerical quantities of hybrids. If anyone wanted more info along lines similar to that for the seed germination already provided feel free to ask however as I am about to disappear for a back operation next week it will need to wait until I get back to work at the end of May so e-mail me then and I will try to send some info out, it hasn't been properly written up yet but no doubt it will be one of the  'to do' jobs when flat on my back.
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>Iain
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>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 08:46:39 -0500
>From: "Boyce Tankersley" <btankers@chicagobotanic.org>
>Subject: Re: [pbs] Catching the frit eater
>To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>Ditto Russell's observation of herbivore damage on Fritillaria
>caucasica. In our case, the chipmunks are the culprits.
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>Boyce Tankersley
>Director of Living Plant Documentation
>Chicago Botanic Garden
>1000 Lake Cook Road
>Glencoe, IL 60022
>tel: 847-835-6841
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>email: btankers@chicagobotanic.org
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