OK. Diane here, not just the keyboard acting on its own. I've taken up Paige's challenge and have been tallying my Erythronium oregonum, local ones, all seed-grown, and no "White Beauty" has ever been in the neighbourhood until this year when I bought one. I didn't crawl through the bushes, but chose an area that is fairly open. These are all mature plants as every year I remove the seeds and send them to various exchanges. I am counting plants as double and triple if they are growing really close together. This is not a guarantee of vegetative increase, of course. 32 single plants. 3 of them have two flowers on the stem, and I will mark them. 3 double plants 1 triple 1 group of mostly single leaves with one flower The triple plants have broad pale leaves that are identical so I am sure they represent vegetative increase. I will mark them and will keep the seeds separate and see if they pass on the trait. There is no way I can dig them as they are right up against the trunk of a tree. Well, thanks for motivating me, Paige. This is something I have intended to do for the past couple of years and hadn't got around to it. Next I should tally my revolutums. These are the only two species I have enough of to bother counting. Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada maritime zone 8, cool Mediterranean climate mild rainy winters, mild dry summers On 22-Apr-10, at 12:05 AM, Pacific Rim wrote: > Lots, not just isolated specimens, reproduce vegetatively. Of course > some do > so more rapidly than others. E. californicum 'White Beauty' is an > example. > But I'd expect every mature bulb of the spp. named to make pups. Even > semi-matuare bulbs often do so. >