In a message dated 10/27/2009 4:18:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, totototo@telus.net writes: So between persistent misnaming and sending out virused stock, I have concluded that the Dutch bulb industry is (to coin a phrase) a bunch of crooks. I admire the Dutch in many ways, but not in this regard. I have heard it said that "the Dutch are never out of a variety". However, I think when you're throwing accusations around, you should clarify whether you mean the Dutch growers in Holland or the sellers in the States. I suspect the misnaming is probably more the work of the sellers than the growers. These sellers are also the ones who sometimes (at least they used to) make up new names for established cultivars to make them more "saleable". Bill Lee