From msittner@mcn.org Fri May 1 10:23:12 2009 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20090501070642.03232ec0@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Calochortus kennedyi Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 07:20:43 -0700 Hi, A friend of mine sent me some pictures of Calochortus kennedyi taken this month. I didn't know it bloomed that early. Even though we had it pictured on the wiki, she had some interesting habitat pictures so I asked her if I could add them to the wiki and she agreed. This is a very difficult Calochortus to grow and flower I understand as I've never tried to do it, but it is really beautiful. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CalochortusSpeciesThree#kennedyi From miller7398@comcast.net Fri May 1 12:22:40 2009 Message-Id: <004201c9ca79$06ecde10$dcd61b4c@tapa965> From: "Joyce Miller" Subject: Acceptable Oxalis Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:22:30 -0700 Hi Martha, Welcome home from your vacation. Considering the weather, your open garden drew a good turn out. You really have a unique set up, especially in the front. I know it has inspired me on the way to ridding myself of useless lawn. What I said was perennials for display garden. More clearly I mean the home garden bed. I would like some indication as to which genera might be more attractive as CCMG as raffle gifts. And Len is? From othonna@gmail.com Fri May 1 13:16:43 2009 Message-Id: <8e8da5260905011016o31478fecgc686640fa9f9d11a@mail.gmail.com> From: Hannon Subject: Acceptable Oxalis Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:16:41 -0700 Christiaan, I would greatly appreciate seeing an explication of the rootstocks of these plants. I have one or two Oxalis that never proliferate and essentially are unchanged after over ten years of cultivation. I wonder about these in terms of acting like bulbs, and also, if they replace themselves each season they are better considered as something other than bulbs. If most of the living tissue in the structure is *stem tissue* rather than leaf bases or modified stipules, combined with annual replacement, then they would have to be corms, no? Dylan From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Fri May 1 13:36:09 2009 Message-Id: <003901c9ca83$e8bbfb50$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Acceptable Oxalis Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 13:40:23 -0400 Dylan, you addressed your question to Christiaan, but I want to butt in because there seems to be the germ of a misunderstanding in the question itself. You wrote "if they replace themselves each season they are better considered as something other than bulbs." Hardly anyone would say a tulip bulb is not a true bulb, but tulip bulbs undergo a nearly complete replacement yearly. Speaking broadly and very simplistically, all true bulbs contain a corm. The corm (by which I mean the stem tissue) is the only part of the tulip bulb which persists from year to year. It is the true (although much compacted) perennial stem of the tulip plant - the new replacement bulbs are formed along this stem. The tulip bulbs one digs in June are not the tulip bulbs one planted the previous fall. Does that help make it any more sensible? Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7, where the first peonies of the year are already gone. My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From othonna@gmail.com Fri May 1 14:06:17 2009 Message-Id: <8e8da5260905011106t1d3be6bq9e191131409d8d7c@mail.gmail.com> From: Hannon Subject: Acceptable Oxalis Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:06:12 -0700 Jim, On searching various botanical dictionaries and looking at the literature pertaining to a wide range of geophytic plants, it is clear that there is little consensus on what exactly a corm is. Different contemporary scientists use different terms for the same structure in the same plants (see Araceae), so if they do not agree there may be little hope for us. The definition that seems most exclusive and precise to me includes the essential fact that the organ *replaces itself* each season: this would include many irids (Freesia, Gladiolus, etc.), Tecophilaeaceae, many "tuberous aroids", Gloriosa and even a few begonias as well. It gets interesting when we see things like Dierama or Ferraria or even some Amorphophallus species with "chains" of corms that persist for several seasons. Are they still considered corms if they are persistent in this way? I read somewhere that indeed tulip bulbs (Calochortus, too, I think) are different in that the bulb is derived from modified cataphylls or prophylls rather than leaf bases, but I did not realize they replace themselves. Since the stem tissue portion of a 'normal' bulb is not replaced each season it would not qualify as a corm, even though some definitions of corm simply say that it is stem tissue. Annual replacement is the key distinguishing trait I think, even if it is not absolute in all cases. This is a great topic but unfortunately there is a paucity of authoritative work on defining and categorizing these structures. There is a lot of work to be done in this area-- morphology is not passe! Some are truly anomalous, as the rootstocks of some Dioscorea species, which have confusing features of both stem and root tissue at the anatomical level. The word "rootstock" is indispensable. Dylan From rakkasanbarnett@gmail.com Fri May 1 14:47:10 2009 Message-Id: From: Donald Barnett Subject: Calochortus kennedyi Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:47:08 -0700 In southern Nevada they flowered on march 23, 2009. They are wonderful plants. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > Hi, > > A friend of mine sent me some pictures of Calochortus kennedyi taken this > month. I didn't know it bloomed that early. Even though we had it pictured > on the wiki, she had some interesting habitat pictures so I asked her if I > could add them to the wiki and she agreed. This is a very difficult > Calochortus to grow and flower I understand as I've never tried to do it, > but it is really beautiful. > > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CalochortusSpeciesThree#kennedyi > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Fri May 1 15:26:47 2009 Message-Id: <003a01c9ca93$60bca9b0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Acceptable Oxalis Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 15:31:07 -0400 Yes, Dylan, it’s a fascinating and variable topic, and one which teaches us that the categories we dream up can be very hard to apply to what is really happening on the ground. In the interests of science : ) I’ve sacrificed and autopsied one of my bulbs of Oxalis lasiandra to show the gross anatomy. It’s about the same as that of a hyacinth or culinary onion bulb. In the image shown in the link below, you will see that the percentage of storage tissue derived from leaf bases is pretty high – much higher than the percentage derived from stem tissue (in the form of the basal plate aka perennial stem). Take a look here: this should resolve any doubts about at least one Oxalis having a true bulb. http://jimmckenney.com/Oxalis%20lasiandra%20bulb%20split.htm Keep in mind that even in monocots there are genera some of whose members have true bulbs, some others have true corms, some others have rhizomes. To my eyes, Oxalis lasiandra has an undoubted bulb. But other members of the genus have worked out other arrangements: Oxalis enneaphylla for instance has something reminiscent of what we see in Achimines, a sort of scaly rhizome where the perennial stem probably serves as a more important storage organ than do the attached scaly modified leaves. Since I can barely keep this one in growth here, I’m not going to cut one open to see exactly what’s going on. Someone else can step in and make that generous offer. You cited the criterion that a corm “replaces” itself yearly. What in the world can that possibly mean? The new corm is simply an outgrowth of the old one, or to put it differently it is the newest, liveliest part of the old one. Depending on the growing conditions, crocuses will sometimes produce a new corm on top of the shriveled remains of the old one. But so long as both are alive, the new one and the old one are never distinct entities, they are both part of one living entity. It’s true that the older portions typically shrivel up and die, but it sometimes happens that they do not. In Crocosmia one can often find chains of corms connected only by long, thin stolons. The older ones do not necessarily sprout, but they are not dead and they have not “replaced” themselves because they are still there. In some aroids, the distinction between old and new is even less clear: the rotting and decomposition of corm tissues takes place in healthy plants in the oldest parts of the corm; but in many aroids the corm is a lot like the rhizome of a bearded iris. It has a primary axis of growth, and as long as the plant is healthy, the rotting on the old end never catches up with the growth on the new end. In those cases, I would not want the job of saying where the old corm ends and the new one begins – or to determine what is original and what is replacement. You wrote “I read somewhere that indeed tulip bulbs (Calochortus, too, I think) are different in that the bulb is derived from modified cataphylls or prophylls rather than leaf bases”. Since I was speaking broadly, I was including cataphylls and prophylls in my concept of leaf (as the etymology of the words suggests). But I think what you really meant to say is that the storage tissue of tulips (not the entire bulb) is derived from cataphylls and prophylls. The basal plate, perennial stem, “corm” of the bulb has a separate origin. You also wrote “Since the stem tissue portion of a 'normal' bulb is not replaced each season it would not qualify as a corm,” . But the stem tissue component of a tulip bulb does “replace itself” yearly: the new bulb forms on a new extension of the old, existing basal plate. The old portions and the storage leaves attached to them eventually die. That origin from the existing basal plate is essentially what happens in a typical corm, too. It seems to me that both typical bulbs and typical corms both “replace” themselves the same way: by budding along the perennial stem. You’re right to quibble about my calling the basal plate of a tulip a corm: of course there are common sense differences. But both are essentially stem tissue, both are the perennial stem of the plant in question. Reread what I wrote substituting “perennial stem” for “corm” and see if it does not become more agreeable to you. For me, once I understood the significance of the concept of perennial stem in these bulbous, cormous, tuberous, and rhizomatous plants, it all came together and made sense. People get hung up on the distinction between a bulb and a corm because they go into the discussion thinking that these two things are something fundamentally different, and that good definitions will make that difference clearer. I take the other approach: what we are dealing with here is not a difference in kind, it is a difference in degree. I try to understand them in terms of what they have in common, not as fundamentally different concepts but as concepts which share certain similarities. After that, the “difference” becomes irrelevant except as a difference of degree. And as the references you consulted show, there is plenty of leeway in the degrees of differences of opinion on what these things mean. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7, where little Calochortus uniflorus is blooming. My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Fri May 1 15:58:06 2009 Message-Id: <003b01c9ca97$c12ec4f0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Acceptable Oxalis Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 16:02:23 -0400 I have Google Quotes of the Day installed on my pc. One from today seems relevant to this discussion, or rather to what I’m trying to do with it. The quote is: To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other.   - Jack Handey If that makes sense to you, then surely my bulb/corm rants will, too. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7, where the winter aconites have already scattered their seed. My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From janemcgary@earthlink.net Fri May 1 16:59:00 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Calochortus kennedyi Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 13:26:31 -0700 Mary Sue wrote >Hi, > >A friend of mine sent me some pictures of Calochortus kennedyi taken this >month. I didn't know it bloomed that early. Even though we had it pictured >on the wiki, she had some interesting habitat pictures so I asked her if I >could add them to the wiki and she agreed. This is a very difficult >Calochortus to grow and flower I understand as I've never tried to do it, >but it is really beautiful. It does seem strange that it would flower this early, as it is a high-elevation species from the Southwest. I grow it here, where it flowered for the first time last year. I got the seeds from Sally Walker (Southwest Native Seeds -- don't bother looking for a website!). I was happy to see that the form I grew is the deep, brilliant orange one, as there is also a yellow form that would not be so spectacular. I grow it in a large clay pot plunged in the bulb frame and it is not totally dry in summer, but nearly so. Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA From othonna@gmail.com Fri May 1 16:36:00 2009 Message-Id: <8e8da5260905011335o54c11784i6fb16487ebb65d87@mail.gmail.com> From: Hannon Subject: Acceptable Oxalis Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 13:35:51 -0700 Jim, I agree that there are plenty of intermediate or indeterminate structures that render a rigid classification system impractical. However, if we say that these character states and their terms are mere variations on a single theme, they lose their predictiveness and hence much of their usefulness. What I meant by "replaced" in the case of corms is this: the structure at the start of the growing season, a corm of Gladiolus equitans or a "tuber" of Amorphophallus koratensis for instance, is completely used up in one season of growth. The new or "replacement" corm is derived from *entirely new tissue* formed by the nodes and internodes of the new shoot; the starting corm is only a husk at the end of the growing season. So, the growth is modular. This is a radically different ontogeny than a true bulb or a tuber. As you note, there are plenty of cases where old living corms persist, so the replacement conecpt is not water-tight. But it does apply to a great many taxa, some of which are well-known garden plants. The categorization of these labels is probably of little interest to most people. But what is I think fascinating are hypotheses we can draw up from looking at a range of rootstock forms within different groups. Did cormous plants evolve from rhizomatous ancestors? There seems to be good circumstantial evidence for this in the irids and aroids considering the "intermediate" or even clinal forms found in these diverse families. How did the different types of bulbs arise? One would think the story of bulbous Oxalis-- thank you for that illuminating photo-- is something quite different from the evolution of bulbs in Amaryllidaceae. I prefer to think of the value in recognizing these concepts, and sharpening their delimitation where possible, rather than thinking of them as variations on a single theme. We know too little about the origins of these plants and their rootstocks to say they are all derived from one common process appearing independently in the various groups. Dylan From xerantheum@gmail.com Fri May 1 16:48:44 2009 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Calochortus kennedyi Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 13:48:43 -0700 On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > Hi, > > A friend of mine sent me some pictures of Calochortus kennedyi taken this > month. Thank you Mary Sue for posting the photos. Calochortus kennedyi is one of my most favorite species in this genus. It's wonderful to see the photos of them in habitat. My favorite is the one with the Calochortus surrounded by Allium (probably amplectens). It's probably not the best place for them here in the Bay Area but I am experimenting with them from seeds in terracotta pots and a very well-draining mix. They're starting to go into dormancy for the first time. Nhu Berkeley, CA where we're getting a dash of late season rain. ---- http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/ From pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk Fri May 1 18:24:24 2009 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: Calochortus kennedyi Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 23:24:02 +0100 In message , Jane McGary writes >flowered for the first time last year. I got the seeds from Sally >Walker (Southwest Native Seeds -- don't bother looking for a >website!). How about: http://www.southwesternnativeseeds.com/ Calochortus kennedyi is on the home page. 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Fri May 1 18:31:38 2009 Message-Id: <49FB7847.8070302@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Calochortus kennedyi Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 15:31:35 -0700 Jane McGary wrote: > > I got the seeds from Sally > Walker (Southwest Native Seeds -- don't bother looking for a > website!). I was happy to see that the form I grew is the deep, > brilliant orange one, as there is also a yellow form that would not > be so spectacular. > > Actually, they do have a website, but you can't do online ordering. However, they do use it to keep their most up-to-date listing of what they have in stock: . And right now, their home page has a photo of this Calochortus in bloom. Also, you needn't fear that you will get the yellow form rather than the orange form because they list both separately. (They list the yellow form as Calochortus kennedyi munzii.) --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USDA Zone 10a From meg570@comcast.net Fri May 1 19:10:23 2009 Message-Id: From: "Mary E. Gerritsen" Subject: Calochortus kennedyi Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 16:10:16 -0700 Almost a year ago we visited a few sites in the Eastern Sierras (California) and photographed many Calochortus kennedyi growing near the highway. Please see: http://picasaweb.google.com/navbo123/CalochortusKennedyi# From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Fri May 1 22:35:52 2009 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Calochortus kennedyi Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 02:35:49 +0000 Hi: Raising desert Calochorti from seed in this humid climate has proved impossible. Despite this, bulbs of the orange form of C. kennedyi lived for over a decade quite easily in pure grit in clay pots plunged in very gritty soil, in full sun. These were collected by Wayne I think in the Mojave. They flowered regularly each spring, and the substance of the flowers was odd, like rubber. Of course they were large, stunning and the orange somewhat fluo. I wonder if some of our friends living in desertic areas (like Leo) could not raise a handful of seed and later distribute the bulbs that, as said, are amazingly docile and undemanding. Regards _________________________________________________________________ ¿Querés saber cómo va a estar el clima mañana? Ingresá ahora a MSN http://tiempo.ar.msn.com/ From to.sa@comhem.se Sun May 3 09:36:43 2009 Message-Id: <79CDE177-A8CB-400C-8B4E-5ECCB0C7C962@comhem.se> From: Tomas Sandberg Subject: Brunsvigia namaquana Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 15:36:25 +0200 Hi, I have one bulb of Brunsvigia namaquana for trade the bulb was purchased 1 of Sep -2008 for approx. 82 USD + shipping the size is 5 cm (cirumstance) so this one is really expensive and probably rare. I have to give priority to other species that are easier for me to grow and because of lack of space! I have never succeded with the Ammocharis, we live in an apartment and I think the light is too weak for this species (indeed all of Ammocharis) inside our apartment, better to trade with someone able to offer better conditions and get it in bloom. 1 bulb of Ammocharis tinneana size in circumstance approx. 7 cm Fresh seeds of Caliphruria korsakoffi one of two capsules opened up today, with 10 seeds, the other one will open up soon. If you are interested please contact me privately for further discussions! Best regards Tomas S Sweden From ksayce@willapabay.org Sun May 3 15:16:17 2009 Message-Id: <628F6A0A-007F-4A5B-AACD-74CBD7EC1397@willapabay.org> From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: Iris magnifica seedlings Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 12:15:33 -0700 Greetings, all. A few weeks ago I asked the group about Iris magnifica, after which I moved both lots of seedlings outside in pots. Today in my weekly inspection, I noticed that cotyledons have appeared in both pots, so indeed, all that was needed was patience. Thanks to everyone who responded with suggestions. Next time I'll know that this species just takes time to germinate. Thanks, Kathleen On the coast of the Pacific Northwest, on a sunny day after a storm From to.sa@comhem.se Mon May 4 13:48:13 2009 Message-Id: <6F83BDB1-83E1-4DF2-9824-8D7EE3A2BF9F@comhem.se> From: Tomas Sandberg Subject: Scadoxus pole-evansii Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:47:35 +0200 Hi all, Anybody here at the PBS bulletin board having good growing tip about this species? I know it grows in mountain forests in Zimbabwe and it is a summer grower there from Dec - Feb and probably the opposite here in the North? And what I now this species could be a little deceptive to grow and it is depending on the rain seasons as many other species, but how to give the best care for it indoors in Sweden, all tip are welcome and appreciated including soil suggestions. I feel a little bit lost about this one, easier for me with the others in this genus, becauseI have at least some experience here, but not so much yet! Best regards Tomas S From putman@pobox.upenn.edu Mon May 4 14:42:22 2009 Message-Id: <49FF3769.8080607@pobox.upenn.edu> From: Stephen Putman Subject: Haemanthus deformis Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 14:43:53 -0400 Here in Delaware I am trying to decide if I need to build an ark, or just get water wings for all of the creatures. In the meantime, I have a small pot of 1 year seedlings of Haemanthus deformis. They have done well, and there are now four seedling in the pot. The larger leaf on each plant is nearly 2" long and about 1 1/4" broad. Maybe I should repot each of the plants into its own pot? Should I do it now, at the start of the spring growing season, or wait another year, or what? Thanks for your advice. I'll get back to hammering on the ark while awaiting your replies. Stephen Putman Deakyneville, Delaware From eagle85@flash.net Mon May 4 14:53:29 2009 Message-Id: From: Douglas Westfall Subject: Haemanthus deformis Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 11:53:22 -0700 Stephan, Here is So. CA, I repot the "little" ones whenever I have the time. If your weather is "stable", repot them now. I recommend potting them in one of those larger diameter pots which are about 4 inches deep. that way, the mature leaves do not hangover the edge of the pot and get bruised of rot. I can send a picture if you would like. Doug p.s. Did you get those seeds from me or from the IBS ? From eagle85@flash.net Mon May 4 15:02:56 2009 Message-Id: From: Douglas Westfall Subject: Scadoxus pole-evansii Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 12:02:45 -0700 Tomas, I wish that I could give you the magic words. I have grown all of the other Scadoxus (except cinnabarinus) and pole evansii is the very slowest growing that I have worked with. It is early summer here in So. California, and the new growth is just beginning to "swell". I hope to get a bloom this year. Then, MAYBE I can share more information with you. Doug From eagle85@flash.net Mon May 4 15:10:03 2009 Message-Id: From: Douglas Westfall Subject: Haemanthus deformis Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 12:09:40 -0700 Somewhere, I have a picture of one in a large diameter pot. Doug From msittner@mcn.org Mon May 4 15:34:50 2009 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20090504122718.0320bae8@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Haemanthus deformis Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 12:34:01 -0700 There's a picture of mine on the wiki showing the leaves falling over a 12" (30.5 cm.) pot. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/HaemanthusSpeciesTwo#deformis I think I probably need a bigger pot, but then it will be getting difficult to move. True already to some degree. I divided the two I grow this year and shared the offsets with others. It didn't seem to mind, but I guess I'll find out if it doesn't bloom next winter. I really love this plant. It lives year round in my unheated greenhouse where it is kept moist. In summer we add shade cloth to the sides of the greenhouse and the roof. Mary Sue From eagle85@flash.net Mon May 4 15:46:09 2009 Message-Id: <107B1F65-7CFB-4878-8F4A-44E7B241CEC6@flash.net> From: Douglas Westfall Subject: Haemanthus deformis Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 12:44:59 -0700 Mary Sue, Have you looked into those large diameter pots which are 5 - 6 inches deep? That way, you have the "support" for the leaves w/out the weight of a deep pot. Doug From piabinha@yahoo.com Mon May 4 15:53:11 2009 Message-Id: <612387.39415.qm@web51901.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: piaba Subject: mini Sinningia correction Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 12:53:02 -0700 (PDT) hi all, i had previously sent some seed to the PBX of a mini-sinningia that was tentatively id'ed as the new species "Rio das Pedras." my plant had been given to me as a mystery tuber and i thought that's what it was at the time. examining the leaves more carefully, however, it seems it's actually Sinningia pusilla. if you got those seeds, please make the correction. sorry about the confusion. here's a nice specimen, check against your plant: http://picasaweb.google.com/paulsusi4/LongIslandGesneriadSocietyShowMay2ndAnd3rd2009?feat=email#5331776492305628898 ========= tsuh yang From idavide@sbcglobal.net Mon May 4 18:07:21 2009 Message-Id: <313582.74128.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: David Ehrlich Subject: Mystery plant not Tapeinia pumila Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Hi Alberto—   I look forward to your contributing seeds of Ixia pumilio; I hope to be lucky enough to get some.  I am, however, convinced that my plant is Tritonia dubia.   By wiry stem, I take you to mean a straight, vertical stem with no cauline leaves, with the flowers crowded at the distal end.  This is the habit of all the Ixias I own.  They also have a central style whose 3 branches are about 120° apart, with symmetrically placed stamens.  All mine also have very long cylindrical tubes, but I guess that's not a key for the genus.   The stems of my Tritonias are much more lax — almost never straight and vertical, and the flowers are not crowded at the distal end; in fact, the flower bearing portion of the stem can often be longer than the lower portion.  The sexual parts of the flowers are not radially symmetric (except for my T.dubia), and the flower tubes are shortly cylindric at the base, but funnel shaped above, and never anywhere near as long as those of my Ixias. David Ehrlich From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Mon May 4 21:28:54 2009 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Scadoxus pole-evansii Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 20:30:48 -0500 >Anybody here at the PBS bulletin board having good growing tip about >this species? Dear Tomas, I have grown this species for a few years and give it no special treatment, It is wintered in the pot in a cool greenhouse although a bit warmer this winter. When it shows signs of growing I begin to water lightly at first then more. Now the growing point is 6 -7 inches tall and expanding daily. It has bloomed in this pot and has enormous foliage and tall flower stem. It is in a large pot -maybe 10 gals capacity. With regular fertilizing in growth. I do nothing other than this for a few other Eucomis, but I got a large size bulb to begin with and it may just be bulb size that determines bloom. No special care needed here. Best wishes. Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From cj5sfo@yahoo.com Mon May 4 22:08:28 2009 Message-Id: <621438.69710.qm@web51606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: Gregg DeChirico Subject: Haemanthus deformis Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:08:20 -0700 (PDT) My largest Haemanthus deformis is in a 14 in (35cm) diameter bowl about 6 in (15cm) deep.  This year both leaves have overgrown the rim to where they lay flat on the table. It is nearly 20in (50cm) tip to tip. Each leaf at its widest is 12 in (30cm).  Below are links to some photos from last year when the leaves were not nearly as lush and perfect as this year; the photos do not do it justice. It flowers regularly every year. It is one of my favorite plants- it came from Ernesto Sandoval at UC Davis.   http://www.flickr.com/photos/u4banut/3503131102/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/u4banut/3503131286/ Gregg DeChirico Santa Barbara, California http://www.flickr.com/photos/u4banut/ --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Douglas Westfall wrote: From: Douglas Westfall Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemanthus deformis To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 12:09 PM Somewhere, I have a picture of one in a large diameter pot. Doug From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Mon May 4 23:53:14 2009 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Scadoxus pole-evansii Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:50:45 -0500 > >Anybody here at the PBS bulletin board having good growing tip about >>this species? > >Dear Tomas, Sorry for my distraction. Just had a friend over today and we were talking Eucomis including E. pole-evansii and my mind was on Eucomis NOT scadoxus. I don't know nuttin' about Scadoxus pole-evansii. Better just pass and beg forgiveness. Thanks Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From dells@voicenet.com Tue May 5 06:51:36 2009 Message-Id: From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 203 Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 06:50:48 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 203" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE ON EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. New Hope, PA, 18938 USA Non US donors should contact me for instructions before sending seeds. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Jim Shields: 1. Small bulbs of Haemanthus humilis humilis From Dell Sherk: 2. Seed of Phaedranassa cinerea From Mary Sue Ittner: 3. Bulbs of Nerine masoniorum (more of the same lot that was offered on BX 202) From Lynn Makela: BULBS: 4. Achimenes grandiflora 'Robert Dressler' 5. Habranthus brachyandrus, purple form 6. Ipheion sellowianum (Nothoscordum filipponei) 7. Ipheion sessile 8. Oxalis lobata (few) 9. Oxalis obtusa, rose color 10. Oxalis perdicaria var. malacobolbos 11. Oxalis purpurea alba, large, white-flowered form SEEDS: 12. Freesia grandiflora 13. Hippeastrum 'Baby Doll' (creamy white with tiny red edging - South African "Sonatini" type) x H. gracilis type 'Firey Bouquet' 14. Zephyranthes drummondii Thank you, Jim, Mary Sue, and Lynn !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue May 5 09:03:55 2009 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: PBS list new web page Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:02:24 +0100 Hi, I've produced a new home page for this list: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php This allows you to subscribe, change your subscription settings, view and search the archive of previous postings. It was possible to do all this before, the new page brings things together in one place and makes them easier. The old ways of doing things still work. I'd be interested in any suggestions for improvements. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From msittner@mcn.org Tue May 5 11:00:58 2009 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20090505074908.03793c48@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: PBS list new web page Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 08:00:26 -0700 Hi, I'd just like to add a few words to David's modest announcement. He has created a place to search the list or wiki using Google without having to think of a complicated formula. And if you use the advance search you can really narrow it down. I've linked it to the old list page and to the Pacific Bulb Society web page or you can just find it if you remember to add list.php to the web page url. Plus I've added it to the bottom of the list individual messages so you can link to it from there as you can the wiki and to the top of the digest messages. I made a mistake the first time I added it to the latter so hopefully have corrected that now. This is a huge improvement for searching the archives. Thanks very much David. Mary Sue >I've produced a new home page for this list: > >http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From d.avensis@virgin.net Tue May 5 14:27:59 2009 Message-Id: <17110F636C38443E876FAAECF820A246@Auricula> From: "David Nicholson" Subject: PBS list new web page Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:27:57 +0100 Well done David, this is first class. David Nicholson. >SNIP> I've produced a new home page for this list: > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > This allows you to subscribe, change your subscription settings, view > and search the archive of previous postings. From leo@possi.org Tue May 5 20:00:31 2009 Message-Id: <2b3797ce6941d3772aa8c2cd8195e7bb.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Calochortus kennedyi Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:00:23 -0700 (PDT) I was recently at the 2009 Convention of the Cactus and Succulent Society of America in Tucson, Arizona, April 10-15. On the field trip we saw thousands of the yellow form of C. kennedyi in bloom (as well as hundreds of C. nuttalii) and I took plenty of photos, which I will eventually send to be posted to the Wiki. They all had just their first flowers open (of 2-3 buds per plant) so there were no fruits to photograph. I wonder if Mary Sue's friend was at the same convention? They are about 4 hours by car from my house and I haven't had a chance to go back and photograph the fruits. My C. catalinae was in bloom in mid March and its fruit isn't fully ripe yet. Does C. kennedyi take the same time to mature seed? I do intend to grow this and other desert calochortuses at some point, and distribute them to the Wiki. So I need to go find seed somewhere. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From agoston.janos123@gmail.com Wed May 6 04:06:59 2009 Message-Id: <3b9284cd0905060106h39a65ce1qf9a4e8cc94385c1@mail.gmail.com> From: "J. Agoston" Subject: Dioscorea help Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:06:50 +0200 Dear All, I have a few different Dioscoreas. Most of them were raised by seed. I would like to know if anybody knows an expert. I've tried to look for keys but there are only keys for N. American and Chinese species, none for Europe. It is a quite an overlooked genera. And hard to ID. Any help is very wellcome. If somebody would like to do genetical research I can send leaves. Bye, Jan Z5a, Hungary From othonna@gmail.com Wed May 6 13:13:15 2009 Message-Id: <8e8da5260905061013g75c845ebpb29b6a001d5dca08@mail.gmail.com> From: Hannon Subject: Dioscorea help Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:13:05 -0700 Jan, Where are your dioscoreas from? Dylan Hannon From agoston.janos123@gmail.com Wed May 6 14:21:02 2009 Message-Id: <3b9284cd0905061120t788860c0rdc793fcf28269dd9@mail.gmail.com> From: "J. Agoston" Subject: Dioscorea help Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 20:20:54 +0200 Dear Dylan, I got 1 from a botanical garden, they were so generous with me, cause I have helped them with some "charity work". And from a wholesaler. I have D. villosa from US. They have arrived with wild dug Trilliums, and D. caucasica (female). They are hardy here. I have a few other plants from seed, but not sure in the identity. I have noticed D. villosa from a batch of seedlings between D. caucasica. D. balcanica and D. bulbifera have died this winter, forgot to put them in a frost free place, -10°C killed most of the tubers, but maybe D. balcanica will resurrect. I try to plant them again. I try to get D. balcanica from Macedonia, it is said to be native there. I have new seeds, but they emerge after a cold winter, haven't sown yet. Most of my plants from seed are now 3 years old, some started to make inflorescences. And I'm trying to germinate Tamus communis, no success till now. We don't have so much climbing geophytes in commerce (Gloriosa, rarely Sandersonia and ever rarer Littonia, but none of them are hardy). Bye, Jan Z5a, Hungary From othonna@gmail.com Wed May 6 15:31:02 2009 Message-Id: <8e8da5260905061230m99ac568mfb9289845d88efa0@mail.gmail.com> From: Hannon Subject: Dioscorea help Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:30:34 -0700 Jan, There is unfortunately no modern magnum opus on Dioscorea and it is quite a large and rather poorly understood genus. There are a few specialists (I know two of them) but they are restricted geographically or to a certain section of the genus. So, if you know where your plant is from you may discover a local flora and find a name for it. But it sounds like you have names for most of yours-- what information are you after? Regards, Dylan On 06/05/2009, J. Agoston wrote: > Dear Dylan, > > I got 1 from a botanical garden, they were so generous with me, cause I have > helped them with some "charity work". And from a wholesaler. I have D. > villosa from US. They have arrived with wild dug Trilliums, and D. caucasica > (female). They are hardy here. I have a few other plants from seed, but not > sure in the identity. I have noticed D. villosa from a batch of seedlings > between D. caucasica. > > D. balcanica and D. bulbifera have died this winter, forgot to put them in a > frost free place, -10°C killed most of the tubers, but maybe D. balcanica > will resurrect. I try to plant them again. I try to get D. balcanica from > Macedonia, it is said to be native there. > > I have new seeds, but they emerge after a cold winter, haven't sown yet. > Most of my plants from seed are now 3 years old, some started to make > inflorescences. And I'm trying to germinate Tamus communis, no success till > now. > > We don't have so much climbing geophytes in commerce (Gloriosa, rarely > Sandersonia and ever rarer Littonia, but none of them are hardy). > > Bye, > Jan > Z5a, Hungary > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From agoston.janos123@gmail.com Thu May 7 03:59:59 2009 Message-Id: <3b9284cd0905070059t61e1e7dw757fbf39420ebbc8@mail.gmail.com> From: "J. Agoston" Subject: Dioscorea help Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:59:19 +0200 Dear Dylan, I have names but I'm quite not sure in the correct identity of the species. Not this would be the first time to discover that a plant I have is wrongly identified by the seller. And I also would like to know if they can be crossed/or if they are allready hybrids. I have done several hours of research for correcting the names of my plants, becouse the seller mixed up the varieties, than I have had to discover that picture selling companies are also mixing up the pictures of plants. I saw the same picture for 3 different Hyacinthus varieties, and usually catalogues list only the colour (red, white,...) or nothing for the variety. And we all know that there are many different shades of reds and whites. I would like to have a nice, correctly identified collection. But yeah, it is sometimes quite complicated. Bye, Jan From cvschalkwyk@lantic.net Thu May 7 06:36:12 2009 Message-Id: From: "Christiaan van Schalkwyk" Subject: Slightly off topic, was Dioscorea help Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:38:49 +0200 Dear all Jan wrote: > I would like to have a nice, correctly identified collection. But yeah, it > is sometimes quite complicated. This made me think of a story I once heard of a lady, walking through a botanical garden for the first time in her life, asking one of the gardeners what the labels on the plants meant. He explained that the top name was the scientific name, the name below that was the common name, while the number at the bottom was the accesion number, and could be traced to an index card with all the data regarding the relevant plant. Satisfied, she walk through another section of the garden, but after a while she returned with the following question: "Does all plants have scientific and common names ?" "Yes", he replied. "Ah, but isn't nature wonderful !" she exclaimed. I think that a correctly identified collection is a dream for most of us, but finding nice up to date understandable and applicable info are a challenge for many genera. And unfortunately very few plants come with nice (and correct) labels ! Christiaan From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Fri May 8 12:41:08 2009 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Pacific BX 192 - Oxalis results Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 11:44:22 -0500 Dear Friends, On 11/22/08 the BX offered three species of Oxalis from Alberto Castillo. There was a discussions right after that about how to treat these winter growers and when they'd grow and bloom. I planted mine immediately on arrival. It was suggested they should be up in a month or two. On March 12 I reported: O. gracilis has been up for around a month - Early Dec planting to Early February (2 months) O. purpurea took another 2 weeks (2 1/2 months) O. comressa is just showing the first sign of life at just over 3 months. At this stage The earliest corms of O. gracilis are fully expanded and in good growth, while O. purpurea are still looking "in development". Now Early in May ( almost 5 months after planting), all three have begun to flower and I can report again. O gracilis was the first to flower, but flowers are a bright pink, not the tangerine/ orange shown on the wiki. Alberto does not indicate that this is a color variant so I wonder about the ID. The foliage is reminiscent of O. versicolor http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/SouthAfricanOxalisFour#gracilis O. purpurea 'Garent' has lovely dark foliage and large rich pink flowers. Typical shamrock foliage in purple. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/SouthAfricanOxalisEight#purpurea Both of these have quite similar looking flowers, but 'Garnet' is a good size larger than O. gracilis Today is the first flower on O. compressa, double form and the flowers are exactly as Alberto describes. A VERY un-oxalis-looking flower. Each flower stem can have up to 10 buds and there are multiple stems per plant. Looks like a real winner. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/SouthAfricanOxalisTwo#compressa And more recently Mary Sue supplied some Oxalis magnifica to the BX just a month ago. These started growing immediately and the first bloom is open today. Mary Sue was unsure of ID, but a web search suggests she is correct about ID. Honestly the flowers are not much (plain pink, "oxalis' flowers, but hard to judge from just one flower), but the foliage is very nice. Each leaf is large , with multiple segments and very exotic looking. So far, it looks great and flowers are a bonus. Anyone else have any report yet ? Thanks to Dell, Alberto and Mary Sue. Alberto's description: 18. Oxalis gracilis (W). This is a shortish form, compact, and extremely floriferous, we have it in flower for four months or more in winter. Full sun and gritty soil. 19. Oxalis purpurea 'Garnet' (W). This is the deepest purplish form of this species, spectacular. Full sun and gritty soil. Recently mentioned in the PBS forum as one of the most striking of all. 20. Oxalis compressa, double form (W). Apparently this form is unknown in the States. Flowers are very double, yellow with faint terracotta back to the petals, on tall stems. The foliage is compact, ground hugging and attractive. Some forms have a black center that makes them very striking. Most plants produce plain green leaves as the character of black center is recessive, but of course, from offsets they prove true to the variety. Both forms are here, in mix. Mary Sue's description: 11. Oxalis sp. L 96/42 is summer growing Oxalis originally from Uli and collected in Oxaca, Mexico. Suggested species were Oxalis magnifica or O. nelsonii, but I have no confirmation of these identities. This species is dormant for me in winter and blooms for a long time in summer with large pink flowers. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/MiscellaneousOxalis#sp Best and thanks Alberto and Dell Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From vicm527@verizon.net Sat May 9 17:57:53 2009 Message-Id: <4A05FC54.9020501@verizon.net> From: VicM Subject: BX192 Oxalis results Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 17:57:40 -0400 I also was fortunate to receive some oxalis from Alberto. O. gracilis and O. compressa. O. gracilis came up in a month and bloomed shortly thereafter. It was indeed orange. The flowers were small but lovely. It is just now beginning to go dormant. O. compressa did not show up until early April and is still growing nicely. It has not bloomed. I will follow Alberto's advice and keep it growing as long as possible. Thank you Alberto for the donation. Lynn Makela Tampa, Florida From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Sat May 9 18:12:40 2009 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: BX 192 Oxalis results Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 22:12:38 +0000 Hi friends: Glad to know of your news. Jim, you are entitled for a refund!!!!!!!!!! Oxalis (rather dwarf) and the ground hugging form of O. hirta (a real gem) was also ready to be sent until the it happened what happened, so Jim's mention to a pink form stopped me on my heels. But it seems the real gracilis was sent as well, its incredibly wiry stems and branching are stunning. As for the double compressa, if you follow my advice discard those that have plain green leaves so the "black" centered form is preserved. (Of course, if you happen to have received both forms!) Best _________________________________________________________________ ¿Uno por uno? ¡Mejor todos a la vez! Sumá a tus amigos a Windows Live http://www.microsoft.com/argentina/windows/windowslive/products/social-network-connector.aspx From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat May 9 20:28:28 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Agenda for discussion Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 17:28:21 -0700 As the recently appointed president of PBS, I'd like to invite members of this forum who are also members of the PBS (there is insufficient overlap!) to write to me with suggestions for items to be added to the agenda of our next board meeting, which will take place by teleconference on May 24. If you have suggestions for Society activities or any other concerns you'd like the officers and directors to address, please let me know. Thank you, Jane McGary From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Sun May 10 14:18:51 2009 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Help - Iris vartanii Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:22:04 -0500 Dear Friends, Does anyone grow Iris vartanii? This is an I. reticulata relative from Lebanon, Jordan etc. I understand it puts up foliage and blooms as early as Dec. and requires a mild Mediterranean climate to thrive. How far north can it be grown- Diana can you grow it? Or Jane or Paige ? Is it only viable S. of San Francisco bay area? Apreciate any guesses on grow-ability. Lee have you tried this? Best and thanks. Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun May 10 17:13:19 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Help - Iris vartanii Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:12:34 -0700 Jim Waddick asked, > Does anyone grow Iris vartanii? > This is an I. reticulata relative from Lebanon, Jordan etc. I >understand it puts up foliage and blooms as early as Dec. and >requires a mild Mediterranean climate to thrive. > > How far north can it be grown- Diana can you grow it? Or Jane >or Paige ? Sorry, I have never had the opportunity to try this plant. However, I grow a number of other plants from Lebanon and Jordan in the bulb frames, where they have been hardy down to about 20 degrees F when moisture is carefully controlled. Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA From pcamusa@hotmail.com Sun May 10 17:53:18 2009 Message-Id: From: "P. C. Andrews" Subject: Odd Hemerocallis question. Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:53:16 -0400 Last Spring I ran across a clump of bright yellow hemerocallis in a boggy area near what was once a homestead. The odd thing about this clump was that many (but not all) of the flower stalks were curved strongly downwards with the flowers pointing down to the ground. The pendant effect was quite nice. There was no overt sign of disease and the plants seemed very healthy. Could this effect be due to herbicide run-off? Could it be weather related- although I've not seen this in any other hemerocallis. On the other hand, I thought I remembered reading somewhere (perhaps here) that one older hemerocallis did exhibit this effect. I've searched and can't find the reference so perhaps I dreamed it. In any event, I hiked out there today and the flower stalks are about 6 inches high already. I'll know if the effect repeats in a couple of weeks. Regards, Phil _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 From adam14113@ameritech.net Sun May 10 18:26:48 2009 Message-Id: <65C29C8E60054EC09C5F032BA103CDC1@FAMILY> From: "Adam Fikso" Subject: Odd Hemerocallis question. Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:26:14 -0500 The question's not odd-- the hemerocallis is. DO let us know if it is the same this year. ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. C. Andrews" To: Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:53 PM Subject: [pbs] Odd Hemerocallis question. Last Spring I ran across a clump of bright yellow hemerocallis in a boggy area near what was once a homestead. The odd thing about this clump was that many (but not all) of the flower stalks were curved strongly downwards with the flowers pointing down to the ground. The pendant effect was quite nice. There From agoston.janos123@gmail.com Mon May 11 03:19:21 2009 Message-Id: <3b9284cd0905110019n3bcd00c9hd2bc519c7d0c736d@mail.gmail.com> From: "J. Agoston" Subject: Odd Hemerocallis question. Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:19:19 +0200 Phil, It can be herbicide runoff to, especially hormone based herbicides can do this. Yesterday I've applied 2,4D very concentrated to Ailanthus stems and after 3 hours they looked liek a question mark. Jan From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Mon May 11 08:37:14 2009 Message-Id: <001e01c9d235$d13ff8a0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Help - Iris vartanii Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:41:32 -0400 I grew Iris vartanii ‘Alba’ long ago when it was inexpensive and readily available for several years. This was probably back in the 1960s or 1970s. New bulbs always bloomed, but the plants were frail and did not persist as garden plants. That I even tried it as a garden plant is a good indication of how naïve I was about these plants back then. It was a winter growing plant and the foliage suffered during alternate freezes and thawing. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 where it's raining again today and many blooms are rotting on their stems. My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From pcamusa@hotmail.com Mon May 11 09:08:03 2009 Message-Id: From: "P. C. Andrews" Subject: Odd Hemerocallis question. Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:07:55 -0400 Thanks for that experiment Jan. I am more suspicious now since the clump is in low, boggy land that is a potential runoff area about 150 feet downhill from a road verge. Hemerocallis is reputed to be resistant to herbicides due to the waxy coating on the mature foliage, but if the herbicide is in the groundwater its a different exposure mode, of course. If they exhibit the same behavior this year, I'll take pictures and move a few of the plants to my garden where there are no herbicides. That experiment will be a bit longer than yours, unfortunately. Regards, Phil > Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:19:19 +0200 > From: agoston.janos123@gmail.com > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Odd Hemerocallis question. > > Phil, > > It can be herbicide runoff to, especially hormone based herbicides can do > this. Yesterday I've applied 2,4D very concentrated to Ailanthus stems and > after 3 hours they looked liek a question mark. > > Jan > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage1_052009 From jglatt@hughes.net Mon May 11 15:01:25 2009 Message-Id: <4A087605.2050003@hughes.net> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Hemerocallis Question Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:01:25 -0400 Question also is - what hemerocallis is this? Given the combination of old homestead + bright yellow, I would guess at H. lilio-asphodelis, aka H. flava. RHS Dictionary of Plants describes it as "Scapes closely branched above, weak, ascending, taller than foliage . . ." Which suggests that a goodly number of flower buds might produce the nodding effect. This is a charming species with fragrant flowers. I collected mine years ago from an abandoned homestead along Rte 7 in Connecticut. The case of poison ivy was an acceptable "cost" as I like the species. Two early ones, H. middendorffii and H. dumortieri are now in bud. Judy in well watered New Jersey where we received 4 inches of rain between May 1 - 7 From carlobal@netzero.net Mon May 11 15:27:56 2009 Message-Id: <617751F0-06FE-480B-A7C3-5755BB24E2A5@netzero.com> From: "Carlo A. Balistrieri" Subject: Hemerocallis Question Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:35:16 -0400 Judy, Is it too bright to be Hyperion? On May 11, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Judy Glattstein wrote: > Question also is - what hemerocallis is this? Given the combination of > old homestead + bright yellow, I would guess at H. lilio-asphodelis, > aka > H. flava. RHS Dictionary of Plants describes it as "Scapes closely > branched above, weak, ascending, taller than foliage . . ." Which > suggests that a goodly number of flower buds might produce the nodding > effect. This is a charming species with fragrant flowers. I collected > mine years ago from an abandoned homestead along Rte 7 in Connecticut. > The case of poison ivy was an acceptable "cost" as I like the species. > Two early ones, H. middendorffii and H. dumortieri are now in bud. > > Judy in well watered New Jersey where we received 4 inches of rain > between May 1 - 7 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > Carlo A. Balistrieri, Executive Director The Gardens at Turtle Point Tuxedo Park, NY 845.351.2849 Zone 6 visit: www.BotanicalGardening.com and its BGBlog coming soon: Carlo Balistrieri Photography From jglatt@hughes.net Tue May 12 15:19:05 2009 Message-Id: <4A09CB9E.3070705@hughes.net> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Hemerocallis lilio-asphodelis Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:18:54 -0400 H. lilio-asphodelis produces 8 to 12 flowers in spring / early season, about 3 1/2 inches. At 5 1/2 inches, Hyperion's flowers are much larger and appear later, in mid-season. Judy in deliciously cool (67 degrees Fahrenheit) New Jersey, attempting to virtuously get into the ground all the plants sitting in their pots before I go purchase more. From CaPlants@aol.com Tue May 12 19:25:38 2009 Message-Id: <8CBA1700419B7A2-8A4-1BD7@webmail-dh08.sysops.aol.com> From: caplants@aol.com Subject: Terminology Test Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:25:05 -0400 Greetings Everyone, There is a word to scientifically describe bulbs that bloom after the foliage has died down and before it re-emerges, such as is the case with so many fall blooming South African amaryllids. Anyone know it? I have a hot date tomorrow night and?I'm sure to?seem much more?suave if I can drop that term into the conversation. Cheers, Erick ericklux@gmail.com http://luxbotaniverse.blogspot.com/ From othonna@gmail.com Tue May 12 19:34:38 2009 Message-Id: <8e8da5260905121634x62b85de8u32b50f9128a95ab4@mail.gmail.com> From: Hannon Subject: Terminology Test Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:34:37 -0700 Erick, The term is hysteranthous, said of the *leaves* as opposed to the plant or the flowers or the species. The opposing term is proteranthous, while synanthous denotes flowers appearing together with the leaves. Let us know how the date turns out! Dylan From janemcgary@earthlink.net Tue May 12 19:47:58 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Terminology Test Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:47:44 -0700 >Erick wrote, >There is a word to scientifically describe bulbs that bloom after >the foliage has died down and before it re-emerges, such as is the >case with so many fall blooming South African amaryllids. Anyone know it? There is a term "synanthous" used to describe foliage that appears at the same time as the flowering scape. Is there a term "heteranthous" meaning the opposite? Jane McGary From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Tue May 12 20:47:07 2009 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Terminology Test Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 00:46:59 +0000 Are you sure she/he will not fall asleep? _________________________________________________________________ ¿Uno por uno? ¡Mejor todos a la vez! Sumá a tus amigos a Windows Live http://www.microsoft.com/argentina/windows/windowslive/products/social-network-connector.aspx From othonna@gmail.com Tue May 12 20:56:32 2009 Message-Id: <8e8da5260905121756t12b82229y8994784175373976@mail.gmail.com> From: Hannon Subject: Terminology Test Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:56:25 -0700 Correction hysteranthous = leaves appearing after the flowers proteranthous = flowers appearing before the leaves I don't see why these would not be synonyms (!). Still, you may not sound very impressive to your date if you are asked the term for "flowers appearing after the leaves" as in many geophytic pelargoniums... Dylan From arnold@nj.rr.com Tue May 12 21:03:38 2009 Message-Id: <4A0A1C15.2070007@nj.rr.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg Subject: Terminology Test Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:02:13 -0400 Dylan: I could see how this sets up a chicken or the egg scenario. When do you start the observation when the flowers appear or when the leaves appear. Depending on the perspective it could be either. Do the flowers appear before the leaves in Colchicum or after the leaves. Is there an accepted 'convention' to determine the beginning? Arnold From arnold@nj.rr.com Tue May 12 21:04:54 2009 Message-Id: <4A0A1C60.4090803@nj.rr.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg Subject: Terminology Test Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:03:28 -0400 I think hysteranthous means flowers and leaves not appearing together. Arnold From carlobal@netzero.net Tue May 12 21:12:24 2009 Message-Id: <53B66800-598D-43A5-9591-BD5CD58FD60E@netzero.com> From: "Carlo A. Balistrieri" Subject: Terminology Test Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:19:28 -0400 As noted "hysteranthous" means having the flowers appear before the leaves. BUT interestingly enough, the OED says, "[e]tymologically the word should mean the reverse of this; the correct term would be "hysterophyllous". Carlo A. Balistrieri, Executive Director The Gardens at Turtle Point Tuxedo Park, NY 845.351.2849 Zone 6 visit: www.BotanicalGardening.com and its BGBlog coming soon: Carlo Balistrieri Photography From kellso@irvincentral.com Tue May 12 21:25:10 2009 Message-Id: <4A0A2161.80508@irvincentral.com> From: Kelly Irvin Subject: Terminology Test Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 20:24:49 -0500 Erick: It could be that you will simply impress your date if you discuss the controversy over the recently discussed terms. ;-) Mr. Kelly M. Irvin 10850 Hodge Ln Gravette, AR 72736 USA 479-787-9958 USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 6a/b http://www.irvincentral.com/ caplants@aol.com wrote: > Greetings Everyone, > > There is a word to scientifically describe bulbs that bloom after the foliage has died down and before it re-emerges, such as is the case with so many fall blooming South African amaryllids. Anyone know it? > > I have a hot date tomorrow night and?I'm sure to?seem much more?suave if I can drop that term into the conversation. > > Cheers, > Erick > ericklux@gmail.com > > http://luxbotaniverse.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > From othonna@gmail.com Tue May 12 21:42:55 2009 Message-Id: <8e8da5260905121842n1ef4527fk56424b144a9ca3be@mail.gmail.com> From: Hannon Subject: Terminology Test Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:42:54 -0700 Arnold, I suppose it has to do with the time span between flowers and leaves. Calochortus and Brodiaea, etc., also flower "following the foliage" so to speak. It is usually a clear case-- I can't think of many geophytes that flower virtually in the middle of dormancy. This would be presumably the most hostile time of year for any kind of production. Closest thing I know is Strumaria aestivalis, a lovely villous-leaved thing that flowers in August-- when I invariably miss it. Still, I don't know of a term for the plants that flower shortly after the leaves die down or as they are browning. Dylan On 12/05/2009, Arnold Trachtenberg wrote: > Dylan: > > I could see how this sets up a chicken or the egg scenario. When do you > start the observation when the flowers appear or when the leaves > appear. Depending on the perspective it could be either. > > Do the flowers appear before the leaves in Colchicum or after the > leaves. Is there an accepted 'convention' to determine the beginning? > > > Arnold > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Tue May 12 21:47:56 2009 Message-Id: <000301c9d36d$6f9806e0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Terminology Test Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:52:11 -0400 The confusing term hysteranthous is the one traditionally used in English to describe those plants whose flowers seem to appear before the leaves. Flowers typically are formed at the tips of the axis of growth (or axes). In Colchicum the flowers which we see in the autumn are in fact part of the sprout which will emerge the following spring. This is easily verified by noticing that the seed capsules appear exactly where you would expect them to: at the tips of the growth which appears in the spring. The old name for these was Filius ante Patrum – the son before the father. This was based on the observation that the son (the seeds) appear in the spring but the father (the flowers) do not appear until the autumn. To someone whose concept of year is based on the calendar, the plant gives the impression of doing the impossible: forming seed before it flowers. The flowers which appear in the autumn are in fact part of the following season’s leafy sprout, not a part of the sprout which grew in the spring. With all due respect to the OED, the etymology of hysteranthous (the classical Greek word for later + the word used for flower or flowering) suggests the meaning “later flowering” or “later flower” as much as anything else. To someone not familiar with its history of usage it might seem to mean something like autumn blooming. In the same sense, the proposed alternative, hysterophyllous might seem to mean late in leafing out. To say that any of these words coined by combining bits and pieces of classical Greek mean something definite or certain is a bit of a stretch. Their meaning is determined by either by the meaning given by the person who coins the word or by the pattern of their subsequent usage. That’s why dictionaries typically distinguish between connotation and denotation. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Tue May 12 22:07:14 2009 Message-Id: <000801c9d370$27ffe750$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Terminology Test Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:11:40 -0400 Make that "filius ante patrem" - that's what happens when I respond to forum questions while I'm watching a movie! Jim McKenney From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Tue May 12 22:37:56 2009 Message-Id: <000901c9d374$68f7b0e0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Terminology Test Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:42:07 -0400 Hannon wrote: hysteranthous = leaves appearing after the flowers proteranthous = flowers appearing before the leaves I don't see why these would not be synonyms (!)." To make sense of this, you have to keep in mind that these terms are descriptions of when the leaves appear. Hysteranthous does describe leaves which seem to appear after the flowers. Proteranthous however describes leaves which appear BEFORE the flowers. Jim McKenney From othonna@gmail.com Tue May 12 23:20:22 2009 Message-Id: <8e8da5260905122020w767fab18jb308a2910df122a9@mail.gmail.com> From: Hannon Subject: Terminology Test Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 20:20:18 -0700 Jim, what you say about these two terms makes sense to me, but what I gave was from an online dictionary. Even botanical dictionaries are not consistent-- cf. earlier discussion of "corm". Dylan From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Tue May 12 23:29:49 2009 Message-Id: <000a01c9d37b$b0fda1e0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Terminology Test Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:34:14 -0400 You're right, Dylan, even the experts sometimes don't agree. Dylan wrote: " Jim, what you say about these two terms makes sense to me, but what Igave was from an online dictionary. Even botanical dictionaries are not consistent-- cf. earlier discussion of "corm"." I use the meanings given in Stearn's Botanical Latin. By the way, I'm not through with "corm" yet - I've just been so busy that I have not had time to let my thoughts settle into something coherent. But once again you were right to emphasize the significance of what you call modularity in the concept of corm (as I recall, when we had this discussion last year you did the same thing). When I said that bulbs contain a corm, what I was trying to say is that in my point of view the basal plate of bulbs and corms are homologous structures. Jim McKenney From othonna@gmail.com Tue May 12 23:58:15 2009 Message-Id: <8e8da5260905122058o54fa6b68o3e0edec0363736c@mail.gmail.com> From: Hannon Subject: Terminology Test Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 20:58:14 -0700 Jim, You must have ensured that your teachers earned their pay! Re: corm, I had forgotten about last year's discussion. I wish I could supply some decent literature in this department but it is quite scant. I am still in process of writing up the subject of "tuberous aroids" for Aroideana and digging up pertinent or supporting papers is not easy. I would put it slightly differently but I think we are driving at the same thing. I think the rhizomatous habit is the key baseline idea, and what it has evolved into in certain groups. It seems to be the most primitive rootstock type though this is mainly supposition on my part. The stem portion of a bulb and the corms we have been talking about both are derived, I think, from a rhizomatous ancestor/s that have become more compact, modified, stylized or modular. Clivia and Cryptostephanos both are thought-provoking in this regard in an otherwise bulbous plant family (also rhizomatous in at least some Scadoxus). They seem, vegetatively, ancestral and unspecialized. I would still maintain the idea that we need a workable and firm system of classification for all morphologies; it is unfortunate that rootstocks have gotten short shrift in this regard. I think your objection is that this should not force us to cram every example into a given category or definition. I agree. We must accept that there are anomalous expressions out there and we can handle them descriptively. Dylan From oothal@hotmail.com Wed May 13 00:16:59 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Terminology Test Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:16:51 -0500 Hi all, what was said: > > I have a hot date tomorrow night and?I'm sure to?seem much more?suave if I can drop that term into the conversation. > > Cheers, > Erick Ahhhh if I had only known when I was young that speaking plant techno speak would have help me impress my dates. To think all this time I thought it would take me pulling up in a Lamborghini. A couple of weeks ago I sent Alberto some emails trying to describe some of my bulbs. I am sure he got a good laugh at my descriptions. lol He was most kind in his replies. So please Erick let us know how it goes. I need all the help I can get. lol Justin Woodville, TX p.s. Though not exactly bulbs but my yard is full of Ladies tresses (Spiranthis sp) orchids in bloom, with about 60 in my rather large back yard. Most people are not much impressed with them but I like them just fine. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage1_052009 From othonna@gmail.com Wed May 13 00:39:20 2009 Message-Id: <8e8da5260905122139ha40cef7l7a02d1c53f289e0@mail.gmail.com> From: Hannon Subject: Terminology Test Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:39:19 -0700 Justin, The difference is that you can successfully *talk* about plants and perhaps woo a good prospect. You can't *talk* about the Lanborghini, you have to pull up in one, as you note. Dylan PS Spiranthes are awesome. From africanbulbs@haznet.co.za Wed May 13 04:44:04 2009 Message-Id: From: "Rhoda and Cameron McMaster" Subject: Terminology Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:44:00 +0200 The easiest way to think of these three terms, for me anyway, is: firstly think of the growing season for the bulb, then: if the flowers emerge before the leaves, at the earliest start of the growing season = hysteranthous; if the flowers emerge after the leaves, at the end of the growing season = proteranthous; simultaneously = sunanthous. Rhoda Napier where we need rain desperately From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Wed May 13 16:56:38 2009 Message-Id: <000f01c9d40d$e8e00a70$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Moraea polyanthos Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:00:54 -0400 Moraea polyanthus is blooming here today for the first time. Thanks, Bob. The plant is very slight of build but seems to have numerous flower buds. This first flower opened at 4 P.M. today. Other than Moraea (Iris) sisyrinchium, this is the first Moraea to bloom here. A look at the wiki suggests that there are many, many beautiful plants in this genus – I wonder how many would have a chance in my protected cold frame here in Maryland? Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7, where several Dichelostemma and Brodiaea will soon be blooming. My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From voltaire@islandnet.com Thu May 14 00:30:03 2009 Message-Id: <0C88D5EB-ED2E-409F-8D12-1B09A1BAA740@islandnet.com> From: Diane Whitehead Subject: Please help ID Thai iris Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:28:15 -0700 Begin forwarded message: > > From: joon > Date: May 13, 2009 9:12:25 PM PDT (CA) > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Please help ID this iris from Thailand > > > Hi all, > > I've been collecting some plants of the Iridaceae family mostly > Dietes, Neomarica and > Louisiana Iris. They grow quite well in Thailand. > Today my friend asked me about this iris she found up in the > mountain in Chiangmai, northern Thailand. > I'm sure it's not native plant here but failed to give her the name. > > Can anybody help me ID this iris? > here are links to the pictures > > http://www.pantip.com/cafe/jatujak/topic/J7858967/J7858967-83.jpg > http://www.pantip.com/cafe/jatujak/topic/J7858967/J7858967-84.jpg > > Thank you very much. > > Best regards, > KaDAI > From CaPlants@aol.com Thu May 14 10:07:49 2009 Message-Id: <8CBA2B462C6382D-1208-A45@WEBMAIL-MB13.sysops.aol.com> From: caplants@aol.com Subject: Terminology Test Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:07:01 -0400 Thanks!!! -----Original Message----- From: caplants@aol.com To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 4:25 pm Subject: [pbs] Terminology Test Greetings Everyone, There is a word to scientifically describe bulbs that bloom after the foliage has died down and before it re-emerges, such as is the case with so many fall blooming South African amaryllids. Anyone know it? I have a hot date tomorrow night and?I'm sure to?seem much more?suave if I can drop that term into the conversation. Cheers, Erick ericklux@gmail.com http://luxbotaniverse.blogspot.com/ From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Thu May 14 10:02:44 2009 Message-Id: <000301c9d49d$4572b870$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Moraea polyanthos Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:07:08 -0400 The flower of Moraea polyanthus opened at about 4 P.M., and when I last checked it at about 9 P.M. it was closing up. This morning it was tightly furled. I'm wondering if five hours per flower is enough to warrant space in the collection. Jim McKenney From dkramb@badbear.com Thu May 14 14:46:10 2009 Message-Id: <4A0C66E9.7050201@badbear.com> From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Please help ID Thai iris Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 14:46:01 -0400 Here's a reply I got from someone off-list...... _______________ Hi Dennis, I'm pretty sure it is Iris collettii. I. collettii is, in fact, native to the mountains of Thailand and surrounding regions. You might check with Carla Lankow; she just wrote an article on I. collettii, I. barbatula, and I. decora. A photo of seeds would help; the subgenus Nepalensis have a fairly distinct form of aril. By the way, if you can verify the id, you might ask permission to add the photos the the database. They are very nice pictures. _______________ Dennis in Ohio Diane Whitehead wrote: > Begin forwarded message: > > >> From: joon >> Date: May 13, 2009 9:12:25 PM PDT (CA) >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> Subject: Please help ID this iris from Thailand >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> I've been collecting some plants of the Iridaceae family mostly >> Dietes, Neomarica and >> Louisiana Iris. They grow quite well in Thailand. >> Today my friend asked me about this iris she found up in the >> mountain in Chiangmai, northern Thailand. >> I'm sure it's not native plant here but failed to give her the name. >> >> Can anybody help me ID this iris? >> here are links to the pictures >> >> http://www.pantip.com/cafe/jatujak/topic/J7858967/J7858967-83.jpg >> http://www.pantip.com/cafe/jatujak/topic/J7858967/J7858967-84.jpg >> >> Thank you very much. >> >> Best regards, >> KaDAI >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > From bonaventure@optonline.net Thu May 14 15:42:18 2009 Message-Id: From: bonaventure@optonline.net Subject: Thanks Bob for Moraeas Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:42:05 +0000 (GMT) The various Moraea bulbils from Bob Werra grew under lights in my basement in gritty compost and produced fantastically long threadlike leaves in most cases. Recently the new larger bulbs (corms?) migrated to the surface of the mix and went dormant. I'm storing the dry pots in plastic baggies where i can keep an eye on them for new growth later and repot. Thanks again! Bonaventure From adam14113@ameritech.net Thu May 14 23:40:31 2009 Message-Id: <79672D1406BA4645B627F6541B25C205@FAMILY> From: "Adam Fikso" Subject: Please help ID Thai iris Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:39:26 -0500 >> Here's a reply I got from someone off-list...... >> _______________ >> Hi Dennis, >> >> I'm pretty sure it is Iris collettii. I. collettii is, in fact, native >> to the mountains of Thailand and surrounding regions. You might check >> with Carla Lankow; she just wrote an article on I. collettii, I. >> barbatula, and I. decora. A photo of seeds would help; the subgenus >> Nepalensis have a fairly distinct form of aril. >> >> By the way, if you can verify the id, you might ask permission to add >> the photos the the database. They are very nice pictures. >> _______________ >> >> Dennis in Ohio >> >> >> >> Diane Whitehead wrote: >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>> >>>> From: joon >>>> Date: May 13, 2009 9:12:25 PM PDT (CA) >>>> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>>> Subject: Please help ID this iris from Thailand >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I've been collecting some plants of the Iridaceae family mostly >>>> Dietes, Neomarica and >>>> Louisiana Iris. They grow quite well in Thailand. >>>> Today my friend asked me about this iris she found up in the >>>> mountain in Chiangmai, northern Thailand. >>>> I'm sure it's not native plant here but failed to give her the name. >>>> >>>> Can anybody help me ID this iris? >>>> here are links to the pictures >>>> >>>> http://www.pantip.com/cafe/jatujak/topic/J7858967/J7858967-83.jpg >>>> http://www.pantip.com/cafe/jatujak/topic/J7858967/J7858967-84.jpg >>>> >>>> Thank you very much. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> KaDAI >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Fri May 15 13:52:05 2009 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Thanks Bob for Moraeas Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:50:42 +0000 I second adding that Bob's SUPERB seed produced 100% germination and extra fat corms at the end of the first season of growth. And, there was a fine selection of uncommon species in the lot. We had been discussing with some friends the value of one's own seed against some commercial sources from which results are pretty modest. If commercial seed around were like Bob's Moraeas our pots would be bursting with seedlings. Thanks for being such a nice guy and for producing such fine seed _________________________________________________________________ Disfrutá todos los especiales que MSN tiene para vos http://especiales.latam.msn.com/cl From to.sa@comhem.se Fri May 15 14:11:34 2009 Message-Id: From: Tomas Sandberg Subject: Hymenocallis euchardifolia and Caliphruria korsakoffi Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:11:15 +0200 Hi, I have 4 seeds of Hym euchardifolia and 5 seeds of Caliphruria korsakoffi reaped today for trade, if you are interested please contact me privately! Best regards Tomas S Sweden From robertwerra@pacific.net Fri May 15 15:21:15 2009 Message-Id: <001101c9d592$4d1a4ac0$b8296ad0@popbob> From: Subject: Moraea polyanthos Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:21:05 -0700 Jim, welcome to "fugacious"=transient, ephemeral, evanescent, fleeting, passing, shortlived, transitory, etc. Moraea polyanthos is among a good share of moraeas that are fugacious. Blossom lasts from a few hours to one day+. For some, if you miss lunch or dinner all you see is a withered blossom. However, They have survived for centuries by putting on repeat performances for weeks to months to attract their pollinators. M. polyanthos blooms toward the end of the winter growing moraea season. With maturity it will produce a number of medium sized light blue ?fragrant? blossoms during late afternoon to evening and will repeat every few days for several weeks. On my personal 5 star ratings I give it 3 stars. It seems to be self pollinating with many seeds and seems to produce underground cormlets as well. You decide if it is worth it. Regards, Bob From robertwerra@pacific.net Fri May 15 18:19:25 2009 Message-Id: <001401c9d5ab$313635d0$b8296ad0@popbob> From: Subject: Moraea polyanthos Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:19:18 -0700 Jim, I don't know how many moraeas can be grown in an eastern or midwest coldframe. However there is a British amateur coldframe grower who grows many many moraeas. Regards, Bob From contact@bulbargence.com Sat May 16 03:22:49 2009 Message-Id: From: Lauw de Jager Subject: Moraea polyanthos Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 09:22:37 +0200 Deqr all, I would like to stand up for this Moraea, as I particularly appreciate this 'Homeria' type. It is the last Moraea of the season here. Indeed the individual flower does not last very long (here several days), but the ramified infloresence has at least 20 flowers which open during a period of 2-3 weeks. I have to add that they are planted in the ground under 35% shade and have sufficient humdity to keep them going. I confirm that plenty seed. is produced which is collected at the end of the growing period (mid June). To answer Jim M.question: yes it is very worthwhile plant to grow Greetings -- Lauw de Jager Bulb¹Argence France www.bulbargence.com Zone 9 (mediterrean climate; with plenty of olive trees) Le 14/05/09 16:07, « Jim McKenney » a écrit : > I'm wondering if five hours per flower is enough to warrant space in the > collection. Bob Werra: M. polyanthos blooms toward the end of the winter growing moraea season. With maturity it will produce a number of medium sized light blue ?fragrant? blossoms during late afternoon to evening and will repeat every few days for several weeks. From cvschalkwyk@lantic.net Sat May 16 05:04:12 2009 Message-Id: <26C15C73A7D64F1BABBE77A5A05C4223@DOKTER> From: "Christiaan van Schalkwyk" Subject: Moraea polyanthos Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:06:38 +0200 Hi Jim, et al I do not grow any Moraea's, but wondered whether the act of pollination does not start the withering and dying of the bloom. This is seen in many succulents, especially Mesembs. In the genus Lithops flowers can last up to three weeks, if not pollinated, but are dead the next day after pollination. The rationale behind it is that one does not have to expend any energy on a job completed, and thus the flower does not need to kept going after it has been pollinated. Maybe you can try to keep a flower unpollinated (maybe by removing the stamen ?) and see whether the flower will last longer. This would probably not make you more or less fonder of the plant, but could be quite a nice and interresting experiment ! Christiaan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Robert J Werra" Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 9:21 PM Subject: [pbs] Moraea polyanthos > Jim, welcome to "fugacious"=transient, ephemeral, evanescent, fleeting, > passing, shortlived, transitory, etc. Moraea polyanthos is among a good > share of moraeas that are fugacious. Blossom lasts from a few hours to one > day+. For some, if you miss lunch or dinner all you see is a withered > blossom. However, They have survived for centuries by putting on repeat > performances for weeks to months to attract their pollinators. M. > polyanthos blooms toward the end of the winter growing moraea season. > With maturity it will produce a number of medium sized light blue > ?fragrant? blossoms during late afternoon to evening and will repeat > every few days for several weeks. On my personal 5 star ratings I give it > 3 stars. It seems to be self pollinating with many seeds and seems to > produce underground cormlets as well. You decide if it is worth it. > Regards, Bob > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Sat May 16 09:10:40 2009 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Tulipa sprengeri Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:13:42 -0500 Dear Friends, Yesterday the first flower opened on Tulipa sprengeri. It is by far the last tulip to bloom here. I anticipate its bloom each year. I am wondering about some real true life (NOT BOOK LEARNIN') experience with this species. I have read that it is grown only by seed which is self sows freely - even "weedily" and bulbs do not multiply. Here it has not self sown at all and my few seed grown bulbs seem to be mixed - at least 1 has form a 'clump' 3 or 4 stems. And the lit says it is common, or rare and expensive to buy. I keep getting more seed from NARGS and keep adding a few more bulbs, but they do take a fairly long while to start blooming from seed. I'd sure like to get more and 'Trotter's Form', too so would appreciate advice on real experience with this special tulip species. Appreciate some down to earth info on how I can encourage this species, here. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From ksayce@willapabay.org Sat May 16 12:55:56 2009 Message-Id: From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: Gladiolus tristis Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 09:55:15 -0700 Yesterday I toured my yard, and was pleased to see Gladiolus tristis, which I purchased last year from Telos Rare Bulbs, coming into flower. The flowers are white, with green stripes on the outside of the tepals; 1-2 per stem this year, perhaps more in coming years. Very nice. Now we'll see if the bed they grow in, which gets no water, is dry enough for them to thrive. Last winter was upper zone 7, so I am also impressed with hardiness. If by chance they set seed, I'll save it for the seed exchange. Kathleen On Willapa Bay, where it's sunny and warm (mid 60s F), for a change, and the shorebirds have departed for the Arctic. From totototo@telus.net Sat May 16 13:47:16 2009 Message-Id: <4A0E99B0.12099.152B26@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Tulipa sprengeri Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:47:12 -0700 On 16 May 2009, at 8:13, James Waddick wrote: > Yesterday the first flower opened on Tulipa sprengeri. It is > by far the last tulip to bloom here. I anticipate its bloom each year. That makes two of us. I've been growing it for about 20 years. Yes, it self-sows with reasonable freedom _in_ _the_ _garden_ but not under wild-ish conditions. My house is at the end of a long (300') lane that is rather wild, and over the years I've tried to introduce various ornamentals there. Very few have established. Along the line of my water line, which was backfilled with pit run gravel (i.e. sand and gravel mixed), there is some Tulipa sprengeri, but it neither flowers freely nor sets seed well, perhaps because of a lack of light from trees overhead, perhaps from the lean soil they grow in, perhaps from root competition with the trees. In 1997 on a visit to Saltspring Island, I took along a huge quantity of T.s. seed and spent an afternoon sprinkling it here and there along the rough roadsides. To my knowledge, no T.s. blooms on Saltspring Island. I cannot say, however, if this is because the seed was eaten by critters, or the flower buds form but are eaten by deer. Whichever, it's clearly not easy to establish outside the garden by scattering seed. I believe the bulbs do, in fact, multiply if they are growing well. I definitely have clumps of T.s. here and there. It is a common plant as seed, uncommon as a bulb. Christine Skelmersdale wrote a squib on the Broadleigh nursery for a commemorative issue of either the AGS or SRGC bulletin, and remarked how difficult it is to find the bulbs when customers order them. They burrow down very deeply in their special bed, and aren't very large. I wondered at the time if fly screen would suffice to keep them from burrowing more deeply. When the AGS got its seed exchange going around 1950, E. B. Anderson, who ran the exchange in its first years specifically said "no Tulipa sprengeri" in his advice to donors. It was considered too common and weedy, I suppose. But otoh, EBA was an expert bulb grower so his perspective was a tad biased. It's a plant I wouldn't want to be without and I don't mind that it's gradually turning up here and there in my garden. I have a bulb or two of purported 'Trotter's Form' from exchange seed, but I see no difference between it and what usually develops. I am not even sure what the difference is supposed to be. I suspect, Jim, that your difficulty with T.s. is (as so often the case) due to climate. Our climate here, with its wet winters, bone dry summers, moderate temperatures, and very few humid days is ideal for many Mediterranean bulbs, hence T.s. does very well. It may also be significant that our soils are naturally rather poor due to leaching of soluble nutrients by heavy winter rains. They are quite deficient in nitrogen, magnesium, and calcium in particular. EBA used a strategy for growing summer-dry bulbs in the damp climates he gardened in: he planted them among the roots of deciduous trees and shrubs. The bulbs completed their growth cycle and were fading by the time the deciduous material overhead started to leaf out and pump moisture from the soil underneath. As long as T.s. gets adequate sun during its spring growth period, it doesn't matter if it's shaded during the summer. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 From plicht@berkeley.edu Sat May 16 15:39:48 2009 Message-Id: <4A0F166B.2010403@berkeley.edu> From: Paul Licht Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 16-Gladiolus tristus Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:39:23 -0700 A word of caution on Gladiolus tristus. We have lots of experience with it at the Garden. It is a great flower and one I am very fond of, but it has to be watched carefully because it does too well. There are areas in the Bay Area region where it has a tendency to be invasive; it has certainly moved around in our collection. I think it may be safer in other regions of the country and we have lots of bulbs we can sell inexpensively. Paul Licht, Director Univ. California Botanical Garden 200 Centennial Drive Berkeley, CA 94720 (510)-643-8999 http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Thanks Bob for Moraeas (Alberto Castillo) > 2. Hymenocallis euchardifolia and Caliphruria korsakoffi > (Tomas Sandberg) > 3. Moraea polyanthos (robertwerra@pacific.net) > 4. Moraea polyanthos (robertwerra@pacific.net) > 5. Re: Moraea polyanthos (Lauw de Jager) > 6. Re: Moraea polyanthos (Christiaan van Schalkwyk) > 7. Tulipa sprengeri (James Waddick) > 8. Gladiolus tristis (Kathleen Sayce) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:50:42 +0000 > From: Alberto Castillo > Subject: Re: [pbs] Thanks Bob for Moraeas > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I second adding that Bob's SUPERB seed produced 100% germination and extra fat corms at the end of the first season of growth. > > > > And, there was a fine selection of uncommon species in the lot. > > > > We had been discussing with some friends the value of one's own seed against some commercial sources from which results are pretty modest. If commercial seed around were like Bob's Moraeas our pots would be bursting with seedlings. > > > > > > Thanks for being such a nice guy and for producing such fine seed > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Disfrut? todos los especiales que MSN tiene para vos > http://especiales.latam.msn.com/cl > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:11:15 +0200 > From: Tomas Sandberg > Subject: [pbs] Hymenocallis euchardifolia and Caliphruria korsakoffi > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi, > > I have 4 seeds of Hym euchardifolia and 5 seeds of Caliphruria > korsakoffi reaped today for trade, if you are interested please > contact me privately! > > > Best regards > Tomas S > Sweden > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:21:05 -0700 > From: > Subject: [pbs] Moraea polyanthos > To: > Cc: Robert J Werra > Message-ID: <001101c9d592$4d1a4ac0$b8296ad0@popbob> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Jim, welcome to "fugacious"=transient, ephemeral, evanescent, fleeting, passing, shortlived, transitory, etc. Moraea polyanthos is among a good share of moraeas that are fugacious. Blossom lasts from a few hours to one day+. For some, if you miss lunch or dinner all you see is a withered blossom. However, They have survived for centuries by putting on repeat performances for weeks to months to attract their pollinators. M. polyanthos blooms toward the end of the winter growing moraea season. With maturity it will produce a number of medium sized light blue ?fragrant? blossoms during late afternoon to evening and will repeat every few days for several weeks. On my personal 5 star ratings I give it 3 stars. It seems to be self pollinating with many seeds and seems to produce underground cormlets as well. You decide if it is worth it. Regards, Bob > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:19:18 -0700 > From: > Subject: [pbs] Moraea polyanthos > To: > Cc: Robert J Werra > Message-ID: <001401c9d5ab$313635d0$b8296ad0@popbob> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Jim, I don't know how many moraeas can be grown in an eastern or midwest coldframe. However there is a British amateur coldframe grower who grows many many moraeas. Regards, Bob > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 09:22:37 +0200 > From: Lauw de Jager > Subject: Re: [pbs] Moraea polyanthos > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > Deqr all, > I would like to stand up for this Moraea, as I particularly appreciate this > 'Homeria' type. It is the last Moraea of the season here. Indeed the > individual flower does not last very long (here several days), but the > ramified infloresence has at least 20 flowers which open during a period of > 2-3 weeks. I have to add that they are planted in the ground under 35% shade > and have sufficient humdity to keep them going. I confirm that plenty seed. > is produced which is collected at the end of the growing period (mid June). > To answer Jim M.question: yes it is very worthwhile plant to grow > Greetings > > From oothal@hotmail.com Sat May 16 19:38:54 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Isophysis tasmanica Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 18:38:51 -0500 Hi all, I have several small plants of Isophysis tasmanica but they don't seem to be growing any at all. They just sit there. Anyone have any experience with this species? Thanks in advance, Justin Woodville, TX My Alophia drummondii are blooming more this year than they ever have before. Must be a good year for them. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage1_052009 From roberth6@mac.com Sun May 17 07:06:28 2009 Message-Id: From: Robert Hamilton Subject: Isophysis tasmanica Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 21:07:11 +1000 Hi Justin, I am not sure that this will help too much but wanted to share my experience anyway. I visited Bathurst Harbour in Southwest Tasmania in late February this year ,on a kayaking trip. During this time we climbed Mount Beattie which overlooks the harbour . Near the top there were plants of Isophysis tasmania and Blandfordia punicea growing in conglomerate. I have posted an image below . There were other plants growing in more conventional situations. Its an alpine plant which I am sure would dislike your Texas summers . http://idisk.mac.com/roberth6-Public?view=web Cheers, Rob in Tasmania From oothal@hotmail.com Sun May 17 12:42:18 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Isophysis tasmanica Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:42:16 -0500 Thanks for showing the pic. Seeing the mountains in the background, it is a lot different than I had imagined. I was not aware that I. tasmanica was an alpine species. I guess I will be happy if I can keep them alive until winter when I can provide nice cool growing conditions. Thanks again for posting the pic! Justin > > I visited Bathurst Harbour in Southwest Tasmania in late February > this year ,on a kayaking trip. During this time we climbed Mount > Beattie which overlooks the harbour . Near the top there were > plants of Isophysis tasmania and Blandfordia punicea growing in > conglomerate. I have posted an image below . There were other > plants growing in more conventional situations. > > Its an alpine plant which I am sure would dislike your Texas summers . > > http://idisk.mac.com/roberth6-Public?view=web > > Cheers, > > Rob in Tasmania > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 From dkramb@badbear.com Sun May 17 13:06:09 2009 Message-Id: <4A10440D.7010508@badbear.com> From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Isophysis tasmanica Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 13:06:21 -0400 > Its an alpine plant which I am sure would dislike your Texas summers . > > http://idisk.mac.com/roberth6-Public?view=web > Nothing happens when I click on the BathurstHarbor.jpg Oh well.... From oothal@hotmail.com Sun May 17 15:48:16 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Isophysis tasmanica pic viewing Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 14:48:14 -0500 Hey Dennis, when you load the page, to the far right past the pic size, you will see a little circle with a down arrow. Click that and the pic will download to you. Justin Summers in Texas are not bad, well not since air conditioning was invented. lol > Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 13:06:21 -0400 > From: dkramb@badbear.com > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Isophysis tasmanica > > > > Its an alpine plant which I am sure would dislike your Texas summers . > > > > http://idisk.mac.com/roberth6-Public?view=web > > > Nothing happens when I click on the BathurstHarbor.jpg > Oh well.... > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 From ksayce@willapabay.org Sun May 17 16:06:11 2009 Message-Id: <2ACE4FDA-0501-4F59-B539-84CED6FB74F0@willapabay.org> From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: Gladiolus tristis Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 13:05:29 -0700 On May 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > A word of caution on Gladiolus tristus. We have lots of experience > with > it at the Garden. It is a great flower and one I am very fond of, > but it > has to be watched carefully because it does too well. There are > areas in > the Bay Area region where it has a tendency to be invasive; it has > certainly moved around in our collection. I'm curious to know what you call invasive. Typically in ecology, an invasive plant dominates its growing area and crowds out most/all other species. If left alone, it will successfully replace the original plant community with itself; examples in my neighborhood: gorse, scots broom, ivy, and a couple of beach grasses (Ammophila species), and quack grass. I see many people use the word invasive to mean a plant that successfully sets seed and spreads around when in fact this is an example of naturalization, one step beyond establishment (thriving in the original spot of introduction). So in the Garden, Paul, is Gladiolus tristis a determined and dominant thug of the invasive variety, or a very successful naturalizer? Kathleen In the coastal Pacific NW, where residents have been stunned to experience two days in a row with temperatures above 70F. From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Sun May 17 17:43:41 2009 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Isophysis tasmanica Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 21:43:33 +0000 Hi: They are notoriously alpine and partial to cool conditions. Give them a windy north facing position in your place and pray. Even obtaining growing seedlings is an achievement! Best _________________________________________________________________ ¡Invitá a todos tus amigos de una sola vez! Probalo ahora http://www.microsoft.com/argentina/windows/windowslive/products/social-network-connector.aspx From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Sun May 17 17:47:50 2009 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Tulipa sprengeri Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 21:47:14 +0000 Hi: Deep planting is a way to obtain fatter bulbs each season. Jim, your winters and springs must be really good for tulips. In summer you can just lift them or move the pots to dry shade. A good program of fertilizing with high potassium and microelements would be a definite help. Best regards _________________________________________________________________ Encontrá todo sobre tus artistas favoritos en MSN http://entretenimiento.latam.msn.com/ar From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun May 17 17:49:18 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Gladiolus tristis Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 14:49:10 -0700 Kasthleen asked, >I see many people use the word invasive to mean a plant that >successfully sets seed and spreads around when in fact this is an >example of naturalization, one step beyond establishment (thriving in >the original spot of introduction). > >So in the Garden, Paul, is Gladiolus tristis a determined and >dominant thug of the invasive variety, or a very successful naturalizer? It's difficult to see how this plant could be dominant, since its foliage is very thin and sparse, and quite tall and erect, and even in the favorable conditions of my bulb frames it doesn't form dense clumps. It sometimes overwinters in my garden, but I see no sign of it in the open this spring, after a winter low of 17 F (minus 12 C). Where hardy, as it's likely to be for Kathleen on the Oregon coast, it would be suitable for interplanting among medium-height perennials and dwarf shrubs. It is also a superb cut flower, releasing its fragrance mainly in the evening even when brought indoors. Obviously I've never seen G. tristis appear in undisturbed ground here, although a few other bulbs from my collection have, primarily Crocus and Muscari species, which will grow in rough pasture grass. Crocus could not become dominant, though the presence of C. tommasinianus in lawns annoys some gardeners. Muscari can dominate small areas by choking the soil with its many offset bulbs, but its foliage is short enough not to smother nearby plants (except in the rock garden), and is also eaten by deer and rabbits. Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA From msittner@mcn.org Sun May 17 18:00:03 2009 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20090517144644.03312758@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Gladiolus tristis Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 14:59:02 -0700 Gladiolus tristis has a lot of tiny corms around the mother corm so if you ever reuse the soil it is in you will have some of the babies in it and that is a source of new plants. If you remove it from the ground, you'll probably have some left. It is not invasive for me in my northern California garden in spite of its reputation. It doesn't even increase in great numbers like Freesia alba, Babiana hybrids, Moraea (Homeria hybrids), Geissorhiza inaequalis. I know it has that bad reputation, but I've grown some from seed and was given some and I've never had huge quantities in my garden. We saw it in the wild in large numbers in wet places so that may say something about it too. My soil dries out really quickly as it is sandstone mostly and the tree roots sap up the water. Perhaps that explains it. If you grow it you need to cut it and bring it inside to enjoy it's fragrance during the night as during the day it is not fragrant. I think it is important to be careful with plants that someone has labeled as weedy, but we all have different conditions so what is a problem one place may not be true elsewhere. I'm sure where it is colder than here Freesia alba would not survive and therefore would not be a problem. There are some things here we are very careful to dead head. Mary Sue From mhach@ix.netcom.com Sun May 17 20:48:52 2009 Message-Id: <1036812.1242607716658.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: mhach@ix.netcom.com Subject: Isophysis Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:48:36 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Dear Justin Where and how did you germinate your Isophysis from? I have had very little luck with the few seeds I have been able to try. It's been one of my "horticultural holy grail" for some time now. As I am sure is no suprise it is an interesting and botanically odd plant Marc NY USA - -----Original Message----- >From: pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org >Sent: May 17, 2009 1:21 PM >To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 > >Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > >List-Post:List-Archive: >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Tulipa sprengeri (totototo@telus.net) > 2. Re: pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 16-Gladiolus tristus (Paul Licht) > 3. Isophysis tasmanica (Justin Smith) > 4. Re: Isophysis tasmanica (Robert Hamilton) > 5. Re: Isophysis tasmanica (Justin Smith) > 6. Re: Isophysis tasmanica (Dennis Kramb) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:47:12 -0700 >From: totototo@telus.net >Subject: Re: [pbs] Tulipa sprengeri >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Message-ID: <4A0E99B0.12099.152B26@localhost> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >On 16 May 2009, at 8:13, James Waddick wrote: > >> Yesterday the first flower opened on Tulipa sprengeri. It is >> by far the last tulip to bloom here. I anticipate its bloom each year. > >That makes two of us. > >I've been growing it for about 20 years. Yes, it self-sows with reasonable >freedom _in_ _the_ _garden_ but not under wild-ish conditions. My house is at >the end of a long (300') lane that is rather wild, and over the years I've >tried to introduce various ornamentals there. Very few have established. Along >the line of my water line, which was backfilled with pit run gravel (i.e. sand >and gravel mixed), there is some Tulipa sprengeri, but it neither flowers >freely nor sets seed well, perhaps because of a lack of light from trees >overhead, perhaps from the lean soil they grow in, perhaps from root >competition with the trees. > >In 1997 on a visit to Saltspring Island, I took along a huge quantity of T.s. >seed and spent an afternoon sprinkling it here and there along the rough >roadsides. To my knowledge, no T.s. blooms on Saltspring Island. I cannot say, >however, if this is because the seed was eaten by critters, or the flower buds >form but are eaten by deer. Whichever, it's clearly not easy to establish >outside the garden by scattering seed. > >I believe the bulbs do, in fact, multiply if they are growing well. I >definitely have clumps of T.s. here and there. > >It is a common plant as seed, uncommon as a bulb. Christine Skelmersdale wrote >a squib on the Broadleigh nursery for a commemorative issue of either the AGS >or SRGC bulletin, and remarked how difficult it is to find the bulbs when >customers order them. They burrow down very deeply in their special bed, and >aren't very large. I wondered at the time if fly screen would suffice to keep >them from burrowing more deeply. > >When the AGS got its seed exchange going around 1950, E. B. Anderson, who ran >the exchange in its first years specifically said "no Tulipa sprengeri" in his >advice to donors. It was considered too common and weedy, I suppose. But otoh, >EBA was an expert bulb grower so his perspective was a tad biased. It's a plant >I wouldn't want to be without and I don't mind that it's gradually turning up >here and there in my garden. > >I have a bulb or two of purported 'Trotter's Form' from exchange seed, but I >see no difference between it and what usually develops. I am not even sure what >the difference is supposed to be. > >I suspect, Jim, that your difficulty with T.s. is (as so often the case) due to >climate. Our climate here, with its wet winters, bone dry summers, moderate >temperatures, and very few humid days is ideal for many Mediterranean bulbs, >hence T.s. does very well. > >It may also be significant that our soils are naturally rather poor due to >leaching of soluble nutrients by heavy winter rains. They are quite deficient >in nitrogen, magnesium, and calcium in particular. > >EBA used a strategy for growing summer-dry bulbs in the damp climates he >gardened in: he planted them among the roots of deciduous trees and shrubs. The >bulbs completed their growth cycle and were fading by the time the deciduous >material overhead started to leaf out and pump moisture from the soil >underneath. As long as T.s. gets adequate sun during its spring growth period, >it doesn't matter if it's shaded during the summer. > > >-- >Rodger Whitlock >Victoria, British Columbia, Canada >Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate >on beautiful Vancouver Island > >http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=48.4676,-123.3262&ll=48.4676,-123.3262&z=14 > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:39:23 -0700 >From: Paul Licht >Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 16-Gladiolus tristus >To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >Message-ID: <4A0F166B.2010403@berkeley.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >A word of caution on Gladiolus tristus. We have lots of experience with >it at the Garden. It is a great flower and one I am very fond of, but it >has to be watched carefully because it does too well. There are areas in >the Bay Area region where it has a tendency to be invasive; it has >certainly moved around in our collection. I think it may be safer in >other regions of the country and we have lots of bulbs we can sell >inexpensively. > >Paul Licht, Director >Univ. California Botanical Garden >200 Centennial Drive >Berkeley, CA 94720 >(510)-643-8999 >http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu > > > >pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: >> Send pbs mailing list submissions to >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." >> >> >> List-Post:> List-Archive:> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Thanks Bob for Moraeas (Alberto Castillo) >> 2. Hymenocallis euchardifolia and Caliphruria korsakoffi >> (Tomas Sandberg) >> 3. Moraea polyanthos (robertwerra@pacific.net) >> 4. Moraea polyanthos (robertwerra@pacific.net) >> 5. Re: Moraea polyanthos (Lauw de Jager) >> 6. Re: Moraea polyanthos (Christiaan van Schalkwyk) >> 7. Tulipa sprengeri (James Waddick) >> 8. Gladiolus tristis (Kathleen Sayce) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:50:42 +0000 >> From: Alberto Castillo >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Thanks Bob for Moraeas >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> I second adding that Bob's SUPERB seed produced 100% germination and extra fat corms at the end of the first season of growth. >> >> >> >> And, there was a fine selection of uncommon species in the lot. >> >> >> >> We had been discussing with some friends the value of one's own seed against some commercial sources from which results are pretty modest. If commercial seed around were like Bob's Moraeas our pots would be bursting with seedlings. >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for being such a nice guy and for producing such fine seed >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Disfrut? todos los especiales que MSN tiene para vos >> http://especiales.latam.msn.com/cl >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:11:15 +0200 >> From: Tomas Sandberg >> Subject: [pbs] Hymenocallis euchardifolia and Caliphruria korsakoffi >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> Hi, >> >> I have 4 seeds of Hym euchardifolia and 5 seeds of Caliphruria >> korsakoffi reaped today for trade, if you are interested please >> contact me privately! >> >> >> Best regards >> Tomas S >> Sweden >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:21:05 -0700 >> From: >> Subject: [pbs] Moraea polyanthos >> To: >> Cc: Robert J Werra >> Message-ID: <001101c9d592$4d1a4ac0$b8296ad0@popbob> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Jim, welcome to "fugacious"=transient, ephemeral, evanescent, fleeting, passing, shortlived, transitory, etc. Moraea polyanthos is among a good share of moraeas that are fugacious. Blossom lasts from a few hours to one day+. For some, if you miss lunch or dinner all you see is a withered blossom. However, They have survived for centuries by putting on repeat performances for weeks to months to attract their pollinators. M. polyanthos blooms toward the end of the winter growing moraea season. With maturity it will produce a number of medium sized light blue ?fragrant? blossoms during late afternoon to evening and will repeat every few days for several weeks. On my personal 5 star ratings I give it 3 stars. It seems to be self pollinating with many seeds and seems to produce underground cormlets as well. You decide if it is worth it. Regards, Bob >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:19:18 -0700 >> From: >> Subject: [pbs] Moraea polyanthos >> To: >> Cc: Robert J Werra >> Message-ID: <001401c9d5ab$313635d0$b8296ad0@popbob> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Jim, I don't know how many moraeas can be grown in an eastern or midwest coldframe. However there is a British amateur coldframe grower who grows many many moraeas. Regards, Bob >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 09:22:37 +0200 >> From: Lauw de Jager >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Moraea polyanthos >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >> >> Deqr all, >> I would like to stand up for this Moraea, as I particularly appreciate this >> 'Homeria' type. It is the last Moraea of the season here. Indeed the >> individual flower does not last very long (here several days), but the >> ramified infloresence has at least 20 flowers which open during a period of >> 2-3 weeks. I have to add that they are planted in the ground under 35% shade >> and have sufficient humdity to keep them going. I confirm that plenty seed. >> is produced which is collected at the end of the growing period (mid June). >> To answer Jim M.question: yes it is very worthwhile plant to grow >> Greetings >> >> > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 18:38:51 -0500 >From: Justin Smith >Subject: [pbs] Isophysis tasmanica >To: >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > >Hi all, > > > >I have several small plants of Isophysis tasmanica but they don't seem to be growing any at all. They just sit there. > > > >Anyone have any experience with this species? > > > > > >Thanks in advance, > > > >Justin > >Woodville, TX > > > >My Alophia drummondii are blooming more this year than they ever have before. Must be a good year for them. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. >http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage1_052009 > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 21:07:11 +1000 >From: Robert Hamilton >Subject: Re: [pbs] Isophysis tasmanica >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > >Hi Justin, > >I am not sure that this will help too much but wanted to share my >experience anyway. > >I visited Bathurst Harbour in Southwest Tasmania in late February >this year ,on a kayaking trip. During this time we climbed Mount >Beattie which overlooks the harbour . Near the top there were >plants of Isophysis tasmania and Blandfordia punicea growing in >conglomerate. I have posted an image below . There were other >plants growing in more conventional situations. > >Its an alpine plant which I am sure would dislike your Texas summers . > >http://idisk.mac.com/roberth6-Public?view=web > >Cheers, > >Rob in Tasmania > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:42:16 -0500 >From: Justin Smith >Subject: Re: [pbs] Isophysis tasmanica >To: >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > >Thanks for showing the pic. Seeing the mountains in the background, it is a lot different than I had imagined. I was not aware that I. tasmanica was an alpine species. I guess I will be happy if I can keep them alive until winter when I can provide nice cool growing conditions. > > > >Thanks again for posting the pic! > > > >Justin > > > > > > > > > > >> >> I visited Bathurst Harbour in Southwest Tasmania in late February >> this year ,on a kayaking trip. During this time we climbed Mount >> Beattie which overlooks the harbour . Near the top there were >> plants of Isophysis tasmania and Blandfordia punicea growing in >> conglomerate. I have posted an image below . There were other >> plants growing in more conventional situations. >> >> Its an alpine plant which I am sure would dislike your Texas summers . >> >> http://idisk.mac.com/roberth6-Public?view=web >> >> Cheers, >> >> Rob in Tasmania >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. >http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 13:06:21 -0400 >From: Dennis Kramb >Subject: Re: [pbs] Isophysis tasmanica >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Message-ID: <4A10440D.7010508@badbear.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > >> Its an alpine plant which I am sure would dislike your Texas summers . >> >> http://idisk.mac.com/roberth6-Public?view=web >> >Nothing happens when I click on the BathurstHarbor.jpg >Oh well.... > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > >End of pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 >*********************************** From oothal@hotmail.com Sun May 17 23:08:07 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Isophysis Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 22:07:31 -0500 Hi all, was said: > Subject: [pbs] Isophysis > > > Dear Justin > Where and how did you germinate your Isophysis from? I have had very little luck with the few seeds I have been able to try. > It's been one of my "horticultural holy grail" for some time now. > As I am sure is no suprise it is an interesting and botanically odd plant > Marc > NY USA Marc I got my seeds from ebay. I got 2 or 3 packs of seed. I don't recall exactly how many was in a pack. I did moist/cold stratification, I put seeds on a moist paper towel in a plastic bag with a bit of fungicide spray. I have an old small (3 cu. ft.) fridge that I have in one room of the house that is not heated and not cooled. I have the fridge filled with soda pop drinks, and set so that in the winter time it will not freeze the cans of soda inside it. So the temps in this fridge fluctuates but maintains cool temps. As I recall it was mid summer when I put them in the fridge. I could inspect the seed every time I got me a drink. After several months they started to sprout. I planted them up in sand mixed with some peat and other organic material. I read that they like very acid soil. I also read that they were most difficult to keep over several years. I am down to 7 seedlings I had about twice that number of sprouts. Now they just sit there. I have them outside. They get full morning sun and solid shade from about 11 am to dusk. They do get rained on when it rains here and it has been really wet this spring. They look perfectly healthy but don't want to grow any. They are about 1 cm tall. The temps are getting hot here already had days up to 88+f (31c) here already. I live in the humid part of the state so it is both Hot and Humid making it most comforatable inside with the AC on. lol (for those that don't need it AC is Air Conditioning) Justin Woodville, TX _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage1_052009 From kellyo@wetrock.com Mon May 18 00:37:47 2009 Message-Id: <4A108410.26418.42DA2753@kellyo.wetrock.com> From: "Kelly O'Neill" Subject: Gladiolus tristis Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 21:39:28 -0700 > I'm curious to know what you call > invasive. Typically in ecology, an > invasive plant dominates its growing > area and crowds out most/all other > species. If left alone, it will > successfully replace the original plant > community with itself; examples in my > neighborhood: gorse, scots broom, ivy, > and a couple of beach grasses (Ammophila > species), and quack grass. > > I see many people use the word invasive > to mean a plant that successfully sets > seed and spreads around when in fact > this is an example of naturalization, > one step beyond establishment (thriving > in the original spot of introduction). I wonder what kind of ecology lessons are being taught sometimes. Non-native plants or animals which naturalize and spread do not need to kill all other plants or animals in the area they grow in to be invasive. I agree things like Gorse or Ivy are especially bad. However, successful invaders can do much harm and destroy the natural habitat for the critters who's niche they are well suited to. The web of life is complex and easily disturbed. Seemingly minor disturbances during the short time a human lives, can turn into serious problems over long time periods. Kelly O'Neill http://www.bigbubblers.com and and Wet Rock Gardens Flower Farm 2877 N 19th Street - Springfield, Oregon 97477 U-Pick and more at the farm (open 9 to 6, Sun, Wed and Fri - from March thru Halloween) kellyo@wetrock.com - http://www.wetrock.com From B.J.M.Zonneveld@biology.leidenuniv.nl Mon May 18 03:35:43 2009 Message-Id: <8E19E8A2233ED74D8483ACF3FBB3603B02A87140@iblmail.ibl.leidenuniv.nl> From: "B.J.M. Zonneveld" Subject: T sprengeri Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:35:44 +0200 The reason they are expensive is that they cannot multiply via bulbs so the dutch industry does not grow them. If it was not for the fact that it is selfsowing ( at least in the UK)it would have been lost. I have read somewhere that it was rediscovered in the wild. Has any one more info? Ben Zonneveld From Chad.Schroter@sandisk.com Mon May 18 11:47:22 2009 Message-Id: <969A00CE5A93A24A850B6330DA6C57B1B5A87C@MILEXMIPV6.sdcorp.global.sandisk.com> From: "Chad Schroter" Subject: Gladiolus tristis Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:47:37 -0700 Kathleen, I think yours should be fine. Mine have self sown etc. and are colonized under and around some roses - so you know they are getting a lot of moisture... Another interesting feature on this Glad is the many tiny (less than rice kernel) bulbils which cluster the main bulb. Unless detached they do not seem to form leaves - but when gophers do their thing I get a lot of babies coming up in the area...CA Frits have a similar mechanism. Chad Schroter - Los Gatos CA Zone 9B -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Kathleen Sayce Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 9:55 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Gladiolus tristis Yesterday I toured my yard, and was pleased to see Gladiolus tristis, which I purchased last year from Telos Rare Bulbs, coming into flower. The flowers are white, with green stripes on the outside of the tepals; 1-2 per stem this year, perhaps more in coming years. Very nice. Now we'll see if the bed they grow in, which gets no water, is dry enough for them to thrive. Last winter was upper zone 7, so I am also impressed with hardiness. If by chance they set seed, I'll save it for the seed exchange. Kathleen On Willapa Bay, where it's sunny and warm (mid 60s F), for a change, and the shorebirds have departed for the Arctic. From voltaire@islandnet.com Mon May 18 16:10:04 2009 Message-Id: From: Diane Whitehead Subject: super fast bulbs Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 13:08:27 -0700 I've been reading the blogs of a couple of people trying to get garlic to set seeds so they can hybridize them. (This involves carefully picking out the bulbils of top-setting garlic and finding some wee flowers that usually get crowded out by the developing bulbils.) They complained that seed-grown garlic grows too slowly to please them. Obviously, these are not bulb growers. We need saintly patience and a long lifespan. They are probably growers of the only super fast bulb - onions - and expect the garlic should be equally speedy. I wonder how the onion does it? I think there are competitions for giant onions. From seed to exhibition in about six months. Astounding. If someone would like to do a bit of worthwhile gene tinkering, how about isolating the FastGrow gene for those of us trying to grow all the rest of the bulbs? Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada maritime zone 8, cool Mediterranean climate mild rainy winters, mild dry summers From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Tue May 19 19:19:45 2009 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Gladiolus tristis Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:29:50 -0500 Friends, Just how hardy is G. tristes? HAs anyone in a cold winter climate tried it outdoors? If it is so vigorous, might it also recover from hard frosts? Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Tue May 19 19:42:19 2009 Message-Id: <000a01c9d8dc$13295390$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Gladiolus tristis Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 19:46:46 -0400 Jim Waddick asked: " Just how hardy is G. tristes? HAs anyone in a cold winter climate tried it outdoors?" I grow it in my protected cold frame; when I have enough to spare, I'll try some in sheltered spots in the garden. I've heard or read (but don't remember where) that it's been grown in zone 7 gardens. For me it has definitely been a winter grower, and so I frankly doubt its long term success in the open garden. But evidently different forms exist - Mary Sue mentioned a late flowering form once, and that might be one to try in marginal gardens. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7, where the big Allium are blooming now. My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From Pelarg@aol.com Tue May 19 21:28:57 2009 Message-Id: <8CBA7014E71D9CE-13EC-1126@webmail-mh04.sysops.aol.com> From: pelarg@aol.com Subject: Gladiolus tristis and other gladioli Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 21:27:42 -0400 Once when I was working at the NYBG I grew G. tristis to flower in a sandbed against one of the greenhouses.? It, along with G. citrinis (now I think considered a form of tenellus which itself has a new name, I think) and Watsonia aletroides survived and bloomed after a mild el Nino winter in the early 90's.? They were also planted late to prevent too much early growth, and protected at times with conifer branches.? Foliage starts to show damage below 20 or so, and during that unusually mild winter we only got to 15F twice. Not an ideal way to grow them, but possibly a coldframe could work in colder regions.? Also consider the summer growing glads--G. longicollis is very much like G tristis and comes from high altitude in SA, though I have not had it long enough to have tried it outdoors yet.? In this area many glad hybrids (but not all) will make it through winters, and the species G. papilio and G. oppositiflorus are utterly hardy. "Boone", a dalenii form or hybrid also seems to do fine. G. saundersiae should also be hardy as well, I am just trying it outdoors this year. More people should be adventerous and try things that seem impossible--the latest pleasant surprise in my school garden is seeing a shoot (admittedly only one thus far) of a lantana emerging from under the ground at the base of a lantana, probably Ms Huff.? It got some leaves for protection, but otherwise is not protected. Ernie DeMarie Tuckahoe NY Z6/7?? plantblog: http://geraniosgarden.blogspot.com From scamp@earthlink.net Tue May 19 21:57:50 2009 Message-Id: <23C9C0D8FC014B0DAFF12E5149BFBF70@TOOTS> From: "Christine Council" Subject: Gladiolus tristis and other gladioli Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 21:57:49 -0400 Hello, Dell, if you are looking at this, please get back to me. I am having trouble with your address and I have some seeds to send to you to look at. Sorry for the round about route but I think I spelled something wrong and also my computer is getting tired and old. Thanks all. Please contact me: scamp@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of pelarg@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:28 PM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Gladiolus tristis and other gladioli Once when I was working at the NYBG I grew G. tristis to flower in a sandbed against one of the greenhouses.? It, along with G. citrinis (now I think considered a form of tenellus which itself has a new name, I think) and Watsonia aletroides survived and bloomed after a mild el Nino winter in the early 90's.? They were also planted late to prevent too much early growth, and protected at times with conifer branches.? Foliage starts to show damage below 20 or so, and during that unusually mild winter we only got to 15F twice. Not an ideal way to grow them, but possibly a coldframe could work in colder regions.? Also consider the summer growing glads--G. longicollis is very much like G tristis and comes from high altitude in SA, though I have not had it long enough to have tried it outdoors yet.? In this area many glad hybrids (but not all) will make it through winters, and the species G. papilio and G. oppositiflorus are utterly hardy. "Boone", a dalenii form or hybrid also see ms to do fine. G. saundersiae should also be hardy as well, I am just trying it outdoors this year. More people should be adventerous and try things that seem impossible--the latest pleasant surprise in my school garden is seeing a shoot (admittedly only one thus far) of a lantana emerging from under the ground at the base of a lantana, probably Ms Huff.? It got some leaves for protection, but otherwise is not protected. Ernie DeMarie Tuckahoe NY Z6/7?? plantblog: http://geraniosgarden.blogspot.com From tony@plantdelights.com Wed May 20 08:02:28 2009 Message-Id: <4A13F151.9020104@plantdelights.com> From: Tony Avent Subject: Gladiolus tristis Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:02:25 -0400 Jim: We grow the xHomoglad hybrids, which are primarily G. tristis. We have had them here through 6F with no problem and Cole Burrell tells me there hardy in his garden, probably Zone 6b/7a. These are truly amazing plants. Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdelights.com phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent Jim McKenney wrote: > Jim Waddick asked: " Just how hardy is G. tristes? HAs anyone in a cold > winter climate tried it outdoors?" > > I grow it in my protected cold frame; when I have enough to spare, I'll try > some in sheltered spots in the garden. I've heard or read (but don't > remember where) that it's been grown in zone 7 gardens. > > For me it has definitely been a winter grower, and so I frankly doubt its > long term success in the open garden. But evidently different forms exist - > Mary Sue mentioned a late flowering form once, and that might be one to try > in marginal gardens. > > > Jim McKenney > jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com > Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone > 7, where the big Allium are blooming now. > > My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com > BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ > > Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS > Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org > > Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > From to.sa@comhem.se Wed May 20 11:11:47 2009 Message-Id: <192F880E-0988-4838-99F4-9FDAC9BA6E6C@comhem.se> From: Tomas Sandberg Subject: Scadoxus cinnabarinus Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:11:29 +0200 Hi again, Today I have received more than ten bulbs of Scadoxus cinnabarinus for trade in different sizes, if you might be interested please contact me privately! And I'm interested in certain of the Hymenocallis species, certain of the Crinum species, all Griffinias, certain of the Hippeastrums, Eucharis the same here only certain species, and a mature bulb of Sacdoxus pole-evansi plus some other species in the amaryllidacea family! Best regards Tomas S Sweden From gilfrank2005@gmail.com Wed May 20 15:38:53 2009 Message-Id: <5d2c04fc0905201238h4c5124f0gc0d6a85616c42972@mail.gmail.com> From: gil frank Subject: Looking for Ornitogalum Maculatum Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:38:46 +0300 Mary Sue Ittner hallo, My name is Gil and I'm M.Sc student for plant science from the Hebrew university in Jerusalem, Israel. my research is dealing with ornithogalum species. i saw the beautiful pictures you took for Ornithogalum maculatum in September 2006 in Namaqua National Park, South Africa. i intend to visit the park this year and i would be grateful if you send me details about the specific location of this amazing flower and other interesting Ornithogalum genus in the Namaqua Park. thanking you in advance Best regards Gil gilfrank2005@gmail.com From roth@ukzn.ac.za Thu May 21 03:02:50 2009 Message-Id: <4A15189B.3298.0024.1@ukzn.ac.za> From: "Rogan Roth" Subject: Gladiolus tristis Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:02:21 +0200 When I visited the southern Cape province a few years ago, I remember wandering down the lanes in awe of hundreds of G. tristis growing in the very wet drainage ditches beside the lanes. In the dusk of evening their combined bouquet was quite intoxicating. Growing in drier areas G. liliaceus was also very common - is this glad widely grown in other parts of the world at all ? As the year was 2006, after exceptional winter rains, the countryside was literally covered with the blooms of countless thousands of Watsonia aletroides plants too - certainly one of those occasions that becomes indelibly imprinted in memory for life... On a totally different tack - this morning I noticed a delicate seedling of Tropaeolum azureum twining its way up an adjacent shrub. After countless attempts to grow this plant from seed this is the first time I've had any measure of success - hopefully I'll be able to keep the little seedling happy until it reaches flowering size! Last week it was Lapageria's turn - not to germinate it, but to flower it (well, just a bud at present) after nearly ten years of frustrated culturing. Now all I've got to wait for is Techophilaea and Worsleya, then I would've bagged the Big Five! Please find our Email Disclaimer here: http://www.ukzn.ac.za/disclaimer/ From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Thu May 21 09:28:34 2009 Message-Id: <000301c9da18$a7372890$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Bagging the big five; was RE: Gladiolus tristis Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:32:56 -0400 Rogan, I like your choices – those are plants most of us would be proud to flower. Tecophilaea has flowered here, my Worsleya have years to go before blooming, my Tropaeolum azureum is balky; I’m not currently growing Lapageria, but I’m sorely tempted to try again using my protected cold frame. But that’s only four: you only listed four, not five. That gives me the inspiration to ask the rest of you to jump in and name a fifth to complete this quintuple crown of horticulture. For me, a suitable fifth would be Paramongaea weberbaueri or one of the forms of Iris persica or some of the fabulous oncocyclus irises or … there are too many candidates! How about the rest of you? For that matter, why not give some other lists of five trophy plants? Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7, where the darkest peony I've ever seen, Hot Chocolate, is about to bloom beside the yellow-flowered interdivisional hybrid 'Garden Treasure'. BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Thu May 21 09:52:26 2009 Message-Id: <000401c9da19$927a0e80$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Bagging the big five; was RE: Gladiolus tristis Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:39:30 -0400 And better make that Paramongaia, not Paramongaea, although I suspect that the latter is grammatically correct and the former is based on an unorthodox transliteration from the Greek. Jim McKenney From dells@voicenet.com Thu May 21 10:47:45 2009 Message-Id: <5388.75.150.159.1.1242917259.squirrel@webmail.voicenet.com> From: dells@voicenet.com Subject: Bagging the big five; was RE: Gladiolus tristis Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Paramongaia is named after the location Paramonga in Peru, so the ending -ia is perhaps just the Latin ending. The name has nothing to do with the Greek Gaea, I think. It certainly is on the top of my list of five. Dell > And better make that Paramongaia, not Paramongaea, although I suspect that > the latter is grammatically correct and the former is based on an unorthodox > transliteration from the Greek. > > Jim McKenney > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Thu May 21 11:36:27 2009 Message-Id: <000501c9da2a$84071cb0$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Bagging the big five; was RE: Gladiolus tristis Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:40:48 -0400 Thanks, Dell. That name has bothered me from the first time I saw it. Years ago I did check a Peruvian atlas for a matching place name, but for some reason I came up with Paramon, not Paramonga. While in my deluded state I thought the etymology was paramon + the Greek word for earth gaia (spelled in Latin gaea). How did I miss Paramonga: a Google search turned up loads of hits. But the word is still spelled funny. If it is meant to be Paramonga + i + a, and if we treat Paramonga as an aboriginal word not declined in the style of Latin words, and if the i is meant to be the standard i connective vowel used to make Latin compound words, then we have three vowels in a row: a-i-a. Something's got to give. Is it meant to be pronounced as a six syllable word: pa-ra-mon-ga-i-a? I'll bet a lot of people pronounce it as a five syllable word - pa-ra-mon-gai-a as if it were spelled paramongaja. Hmmmm..... Whatever, it's still near the top of my list. And thanks again for straightening me out. Jim McKenney From putman@pobox.upenn.edu Thu May 21 12:01:59 2009 Message-Id: <4A157B52.5080404@pobox.upenn.edu> From: Stephen Putman Subject: Paramongaia Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:03:30 -0400 I have had a plant of P. weberbaueri for some years now. It flowered a twice when I first got it and not again until this year. Much to my astonishment it also produced a full seedpod. I planted some of these at the end of March, and got about 60% germination, so now have a few rather strong growing seedlings. I have a bit more seed. 1. If anyone has experience with growing this from seed, I'd be interested in knowing if my seedlings are likely to either grow on through the summer, or go dormant and have a risky chance of reappearing next fall. Other cultivation issues would be interesting to hear about too. 2. I am planning to start another small pot of seedlings today, and maybe save a few more for a later attempt. This will still leave me with some extra (not a lot) seed. 3. Anybody who has something interesting to trade and who is willing do do so with the understanding that I cannot guarantee the viability of this seed should contact me off list and soon. Steve Putman From Pelarg@aol.com Thu May 21 16:43:11 2009 Message-Id: <8CBA86BD0DF3E63-D00-1E74@webmail-mh22.sysops.aol.com> From: pelarg@aol.com Subject: Paramongaia, lapageria Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 16:42:39 -0400 I? have some Paramongaia grown from seed, though they are still too young to flower. This plant is a strict winter grower, when I worked at the NYBG I grew it with Cape bulbs in a cool greenhouse.? It will not remain green over summer, allow seedlings to go dormant, they will reemerge in the fall.? It is not a fussy plant, surprisingly, just think of it as a daffodil on steroids.? It appreciates good soil and fertilizer when in growth, but wants to be bone dry during its dormancy.? Bulbs offset fairly readily, I managed to get several pots of it it from one underpotted starving plant at NYBG in my?6?years?I?was there. ?I suggest refrigerating seed, it will stay viable for some years, and DO NOT start seedlings now, unless you are in the southern hemisphere.? My home plants grow under lights for the winter, and do fairly well, though I am sure they would grow much faster in a cool greenhouse. Lapageria is also not hard to grow and flower, I have had two plants and a number of seedlings I sprouted for almost 2 years.? I got two flowering sized plants at Sonoma horticultural nursery in CA, north of SF, two summers ago.? I barerooted them for the flight home with a hose, bagged the roots in a ziplock plus wet paper towel, and repotted them the next day.? They have grown well since, flowering off and on, though oddly the two plants rarely flower at the same time.? I keep the plants in my classroom?for the winter, where they get north light (large windows) plus flourescent light , and set them in a shaded position in my backyard for the summer. So far so good. Only seeds that havent dried out seem to grow for me, they must need to be fresh or nearly so--mine came from a source that sent them with a moist towel in a plastic bag. Those from other sources, ones that arrived dried, never came up.? The seedlings are slow to germinate and grow.? I started mine on paper towels in ziplock bags in the fridge and transplanted them into soil once they began to germinate.? Pics of flowers are in my blog. Ernie DeMarie Z6/7?? plantblog: http://geraniosgarden.blogspot.com From btankers@chicagobotanic.org Thu May 21 17:12:12 2009 Message-Id: <52857FDB394B7E45BA1F2E60D7313E2A0FCC1D70@cbgmail.chicagobotanic.org> From: "Boyce Tankersley" Subject: Scilla natalensis in flower Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 16:11:30 -0500 It was a very pleasant surprise to find flowering outdoors in USDA zone 5b, just northwest of Chicago, Illinois, a Scilla natalensis (Merwilla plumbea) grown from seed obtained through the PBS seed exchange 10 years ago. For years I coddled the Scilla in containers indoors in anticipation of spikes with dozens of flowers; then a post came through PBS that mentioned that they never bloomed in containers. Uggh, 7 years of misspent effort. Given that my collection of non-hardy plants had exceeded the available space in our home, the Scilla and a number of other 'probably not hardy' bulbs were planted in a south facing flower bed that receives reflected heat from the aluminum siding. It is a good foot away from the house foundation in an area where Canna freeze out. I kept 1 container indoors - and indeed it still has not flowered. For those not familiar with the Chicago winter of 2008-2009, we spent most of the winter with temperatures well below freezing and dipped for almost a week into temperatures in the -10 to -16 degree F range. Not hot enough for hallucinations yet; am I just lucky or have others had it survive outdoors in continental climates? Boyce Tankersley Director of Living Plant Documentation Chicago Botanic Garden 1000 Lake Cook Road Glencoe, IL 60022 tel: 847-835-6841 fax: 847-835-1635 email: btankers@chicagobotanic.org From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Thu May 21 17:50:07 2009 Message-Id: <000001c9da5e$bb0c8270$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Scilla natalensis in flower Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 17:54:27 -0400 That’s good, encouraging news, Boyce. My plant has been outside for several years and is slowly bulking up. But it has yet to bloom. It grows near a house wall on the SSW side of the house. It’s not in a cold frame, but the site is by nature very sheltered. This site does not get full sun during the summer, and that might be one thing holding my plant back. Perhaps a move out into the sun might help; the plant seems to be fully winter dormant here, so it would be easy to protect with a heap of leaves. Boyce, how tall is the inflorescence of your plant? Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Thu May 21 18:01:59 2009 Message-Id: <4A15CF52.2010909@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Bagging the big five; was RE: Gladiolus tristis Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:01:54 -0700 I like Rogan's Big Five (including Jim's addition). (9 years ago on my only trip to South Africa, we spent 4 days in Kruger National Park, and managed to see all the Big 5 animals. What a fantastic country you have.) And just like him, after years and many many attempts at trying, not only did I managed to get 2 or 3 seedlings that have actually continued growing all season, but one of them surprised me by opening a bunch of the small blue flowers for me a week ago! It was great. Now those other four (Tecophilaea, Worsleya, Lapageria, and Paramongaia) simply have to be seen in person, whether you grow and bloom them yourself or someone else does. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USDA Zone 10a > From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Thu May 21 18:34:32 2009 Message-Id: <4A15D6F5.1020404@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Paramongaia Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:34:29 -0700 pelarg@aol.com wrote: > I? have some Paramongaia grown from seed, though they are still too young to flower. This plant is a strict winter grower, when I worked at the NYBG I grew it with Cape bulbs in a cool greenhouse.? It will not remain green over summer, allow seedlings to go dormant, they will reemerge in the fall.? It is not a fussy plant, surprisingly, just think of it as a daffodil on steroids.? It appreciates good soil and fertilizer when in growth, but wants to be bone dry during its dormancy. > > There are two strains of Paramongaia weberbaueri. The one from the coast, which is the type I have, is just as Ernie describes. I grow it just like my Cape bulbs and treat it the same way. It does very well in this climate. (However, I have to warn people that if you grow it outside during the winter in mild climates, it does not like any frost on its leaves, so I grow mine near the house or under some protection against night time radiation freezes.) The other strain is from the Andes (I think around 10,000ft/3000 m elev.) and its growing season is shifted from the coastal strain. I have been told that it doesn't leaf out until late winter/early spring and doesn't go dormant until the latter half of the summer, and that it doesn't like winter rains while it is still dormant and the temperatures are chilly. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USDA Zone 10a From Theladygardens@aol.com Thu May 21 19:06:42 2009 Message-Id: From: Theladygardens@aol.com Subject: Where to order large roll of copper tape Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:05:26 EDT Some time ago someone told us where to purchase a large roll of copper tape to repel snails and slugs. I lost this information. If someone knows please post it again. Thanks, Carolyn **************Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221836042x1201399880/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.ne t%2Fclk%3B215073686%3B37034322%3Bb) From msittner@mcn.org Thu May 21 19:13:55 2009 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20090521155600.033e4cf0@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Scilla natalensis in flower Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 16:07:10 -0700 Sir Peter Smithers used to grow and flower this plant in containers. I have one expanded to many growing in a container that has bloomed for a number of years now and a couple planted in the ground that have yet to bloom. I know they flower them well at the UC Botanical Garden in Berkeley in the ground. I tend to garden on the dry side in summer however when we don't have any rainfall and it is a summer rainfall plant. So it's possible that it is happier growing in a container where there is better attention to its needs than in the dry ground. And it probably would be happier still in the ground with regular summer water. So Boyce you still may have luck with your container grown plants. Mine stay outside year round, but somewhat sheltered from our rain. Maybe your inside one wants cooler temperatures or a range of temperatures? Still if you can grow it in the ground, it's certainly easier. Mary Sue >For years I coddled the Scilla in containers indoors in anticipation of >spikes with dozens of flowers; then a post came through PBS that >mentioned that they never bloomed in containers. From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Thu May 21 19:29:40 2009 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Paramongaia Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 23:29:29 +0000 Hi: Yes there are two strains, the winter grower I saw in flower in February at the UC Irvine Arboretum. I have grown the winter dormant form and also a supposed additonal species, P. superba, that was also a winter dormant plant. What Lee says about these Andean plants (only some of which are alpine) is true, many receive rainfall in late spring lasting to early to late fall. Both Paramongaias were very easy plants in drained mix and the glaucuous pruinose erect foliage was very elegant and attractive on its own. They obviously enjoyed warm conditions and full sun. In the wild they grow in fully exposed slopes in rubble. The bulb is found deeply in the ground. Best _________________________________________________________________ ¡Invitá a todos tus amigos de una sola vez! Probalo ahora http://www.microsoft.com/argentina/windows/windowslive/products/social-network-connector.aspx From Pelarg@aol.com Thu May 21 21:13:45 2009 Message-Id: <8CBA891A7372B1B-D00-2817@webmail-mh22.sysops.aol.com> From: pelarg@aol.com Subject: Paramongaia, Scilla Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:13:30 -0400 Wow, learn something new every day.? I did not know there was a summer growing form of Paramongaia, for whatever its worth, the plant at NYBG came from Longwood, I remember checking the accession records.? A summer growing form might be easier to grow as a summer outdoor bulb, dug up (or potted) and brought in, over most of the US, although I wonder if it might want cool night temps in view of its habitat. Hope it becomes more available some day. Didn't think Scilla natalensis would like really cold winters, since the bulb does not go deep, but now I will put some of my bulbs (also unflowered) near the wall at school.? Gladiolus "Atom" has no problems wintering there,and are coming up strong right now. Ernie Tuckahoe NY z6/7?? plantblog:? http://geraniosgarden.blogspot.com From LucGBulot@aol.com Fri May 22 06:35:44 2009 Message-Id: <8CBA8E02676484C-934-1436@mblk-d42.sysops.aol.com> From: lucgbulot@aol.com Subject: : Scilla natalensis in flower Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 06:35:24 -0400 Hello all, A long time since I posted something on the forum. I purchased my S. natalensis in April 2007. The plant was transfered from container to its actual spot, a south facing mixed bed were I also grow botanic species of Iris, Tulipa and Allium, Scilla, Sedum and Dianthus, in May 2007. The soil is well drained. The plant bloomed for the first time this year and the inflorescence is about 50 centimeters high. Compared to last year I must say we have had a much milder and wet fall, winter and spring. It should also be noted that the plant was fully covered by snow for a full week in January. Luc, zone 8b, South East France -----E-mail d'origine----- De : Mary Sue Ittner A : Pacific Bulb Society Envoyé le : Vendredi, 22 Mai 2009 1:07 Sujet : Re: [pbs] Scilla natalensis in flower Sir Peter Smithers used to grow and flower this plant in containers. I have ne expanded to many growing in a container that has bloomed for a number f years now and a couple planted in the ground that have yet to bloom. I now they flower them well at the UC Botanical Garden in Berkeley in the round. I tend to garden on the dry side in summer however when we don't ave any rainfall and it is a summer rainfall plant. So it's possible that t is happier growing in a container where there is better attention to its eeds than in the dry ground. And it probably would be happier still in he ground with re gular summer water. So Boyce you still may have luck with your container grown plants. Mine tay outside year round, but somewhat sheltered from our rain. Maybe your nside one wants cooler temperatures or a range of temperatures? Still if ou can grow it in the ground, it's certainly easier. Mary Sue >For years I coddled the Scilla in containers indoors in anticipation of spikes with dozens of flowers; then a post came through PBS that mentioned that they never bloomed in containers. _______________________________________________ bs mailing list bs@lists.ibiblio.org ttp://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php ttp://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki ________________________________________________________________________ Reçevez AOL Mail sur votre téléphone. Vos e-mails accessibles à tout moment! Créez un e-mail gratuit aujourd’hui. From markmazerandfm13@earthlink.net Fri May 22 07:41:26 2009 Message-Id: <410-220095522114123656@earthlink.net> From: "MARK MAZER AND FREDRIKA MAZER" Subject: Where to order large roll of copper tape Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 07:41:23 -0400 McMaster-Carr http://www.mcmaster.com/#copper-foil-tape/=1zedl3 Mark Mazer Hertford, North Carolina US From tony@plantdelights.com Fri May 22 11:02:09 2009 Message-Id: <4A16BE69.7070303@plantdelights.com> From: Tony Avent Subject: Scilla natalensis in flower Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:02:01 -0400 Boyce: We're certainly far south of Chicago, but Scilla natalensis flowers great here every year, with a low in 2008/9 of 9F. Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdelights.com phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent Boyce Tankersley wrote: > It was a very pleasant surprise to find flowering outdoors in USDA zone > 5b, just northwest of Chicago, Illinois, a Scilla natalensis (Merwilla > plumbea) grown from seed obtained through the PBS seed exchange 10 years > ago. > > For years I coddled the Scilla in containers indoors in anticipation of > spikes with dozens of flowers; then a post came through PBS that > mentioned that they never bloomed in containers. Uggh, 7 years of > misspent effort. Given that my collection of non-hardy plants had > exceeded the available space in our home, the Scilla and a number of > other 'probably not hardy' bulbs were planted in a south facing flower > bed that receives reflected heat from the aluminum siding. > > It is a good foot away from the house foundation in an area where Canna > freeze out. > > I kept 1 container indoors - and indeed it still has not flowered. > > For those not familiar with the Chicago winter of 2008-2009, we spent > most of the winter with temperatures well below freezing and dipped for > almost a week into temperatures in the -10 to -16 degree F range. > > Not hot enough for hallucinations yet; am I just lucky or have others > had it survive outdoors in continental climates? > > Boyce Tankersley > Director of Living Plant Documentation > Chicago Botanic Garden > 1000 Lake Cook Road > Glencoe, IL 60022 > tel: 847-835-6841 > fax: 847-835-1635 > email: btankers@chicagobotanic.org > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > From plicht@berkeley.edu Fri May 22 11:56:20 2009 Message-Id: <4A16CB07.70208@berkeley.edu> From: Paul Licht Subject: Scilla natalensis Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 08:55:51 -0700 I just want to confirm that the Scilla natalensis (which we have now renamed to the new nomenclature Merwilla plumbea) have bloomed reliably in the ground for many years in the UC Botanical Garden where they also produce large clumps of bulbs. They are planted high with much of the bulb exposed so they take the full impact of our winters (although mild, we do go down to mid-20's occassionally). I also grow them in well draining soil in my home nearby where they flower and have started to multiply. Neither garden gets much summer water (in fact, very little) and the plants are in full sun; I think the sun is important. I have a good crop of young bulbs coming along that we offer at our sales. Paul Licht, Director Univ. California Botanical Garden 200 Centennial Drive Berkeley, CA 94720 (510)-643-8999 http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Paramongaia, lapageria (pelarg@aol.com) > 2. Scilla natalensis in flower (Boyce Tankersley) > 3. Re: Scilla natalensis in flower (Jim McKenney) > 4. Re: Bagging the big five; was RE: Gladiolus tristis (Lee Poulsen) > 5. Re: Paramongaia (Lee Poulsen) > 6. Where to order large roll of copper tape (Theladygardens@aol.com) > 7. Re: Scilla natalensis in flower (Mary Sue Ittner) > 8. Re: Paramongaia (Alberto Castillo) > 9. Re: Paramongaia, Scilla (pelarg@aol.com) > 10. Re : Scilla natalensis in flower (lucgbulot@aol.com) > 11. Re: Where to order large roll of copper tape > (MARK MAZER AND FREDRIKA MAZER) > 12. Re: Scilla natalensis in flower (Tony Avent) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 16:42:39 -0400 > From: pelarg@aol.com > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia, lapageria > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <8CBA86BD0DF3E63-D00-1E74@webmail-mh22.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I? have some Paramongaia grown from seed, though they are still too young to flower. This plant is a strict winter grower, when I worked at the NYBG I grew it with Cape bulbs in a cool greenhouse.? It will not remain green over summer, allow seedlings to go dormant, they will reemerge in the fall.? It is not a fussy plant, surprisingly, just think of it as a daffodil on steroids.? It appreciates good soil and fertilizer when in growth, but wants to be bone dry during its dormancy.? Bulbs offset fairly readily, I managed to get several pots of it it from one underpotted starving plant at NYBG in my?6?years?I?was there. ?I suggest refrigerating seed, it will stay viable for some years, and DO NOT start seedlings now, unless you are in the southern hemisphere.? My home plants grow under lights for the winter, and do fairly well, though I am sure they would grow much faster in a cool greenhouse. > Lapageria is also not hard to grow and flower, I have had two plants and a number of seedlings I sprouted for almost 2 years.? I got two flowering sized plants at Sonoma horticultural nursery in CA, north of SF, two summers ago.? I barerooted them for the flight home with a hose, bagged the roots in a ziplock plus wet paper towel, and repotted them the next day.? They have grown well since, flowering off and on, though oddly the two plants rarely flower at the same time.? I keep the plants in my classroom?for the winter, where they get north light (large windows) plus flourescent light , and set them in a shaded position in my backyard for the summer. So far so good. Only seeds that havent dried out seem to grow for me, they must need to be fresh or nearly so--mine came from a source that sent them with a moist towel in a plastic bag. Those from other sources, ones that arrived dried, never came up.? The seedlings are slow to germinate and grow.? I started mine on paper towel > s in ziplock bags in the fridge and transplanted them into soil once they began to germinate.? Pics of flowers are in my blog. > Ernie DeMarie Z6/7?? plantblog: http://geraniosgarden.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 16:11:30 -0500 > From: "Boyce Tankersley" > Subject: [pbs] Scilla natalensis in flower > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" > Message-ID: > <52857FDB394B7E45BA1F2E60D7313E2A0FCC1D70@cbgmail.chicagobotanic.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > It was a very pleasant surprise to find flowering outdoors in USDA zone > 5b, just northwest of Chicago, Illinois, a Scilla natalensis (Merwilla > plumbea) grown from seed obtained through the PBS seed exchange 10 years > ago. > > For years I coddled the Scilla in containers indoors in anticipation of > spikes with dozens of flowers; then a post came through PBS that > mentioned that they never bloomed in containers. Uggh, 7 years of > misspent effort. Given that my collection of non-hardy plants had > exceeded the available space in our home, the Scilla and a number of > other 'probably not hardy' bulbs were planted in a south facing flower > bed that receives reflected heat from the aluminum siding. > > It is a good foot away from the house foundation in an area where Canna > freeze out. > > I kept 1 container indoors - and indeed it still has not flowered. > > For those not familiar with the Chicago winter of 2008-2009, we spent > most of the winter with temperatures well below freezing and dipped for > almost a week into temperatures in the -10 to -16 degree F range. > > Not hot enough for hallucinations yet; am I just lucky or have others > had it survive outdoors in continental climates? > > Boyce Tankersley > Director of Living Plant Documentation > Chicago Botanic Garden > 1000 Lake Cook Road > Glencoe, IL 60022 > tel: 847-835-6841 > fax: 847-835-1635 > email: btankers@chicagobotanic.org > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 17:54:27 -0400 > From: "Jim McKenney" > Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla natalensis in flower > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" > Message-ID: <000001c9da5e$bb0c8270$2f01a8c0@Library> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > That?s good, encouraging news, Boyce. > > My plant has been outside for several years and is slowly bulking up. But it > has yet to bloom. It grows near a house wall on the SSW side of the house. > It?s not in a cold frame, but the site is by nature very sheltered. This > site does not get full sun during the summer, and that might be one thing > holding my plant back. Perhaps a move out into the sun might help; the plant > seems to be fully winter dormant here, so it would be easy to protect with a > heap of leaves. > > Boyce, how tall is the inflorescence of your plant? > > Jim McKenney > jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com > Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871? North, 77.09829? West, USDA zone > 7 > My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com > BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ > > Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS > Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org > > Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:01:54 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen > Subject: Re: [pbs] Bagging the big five; was RE: Gladiolus tristis > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <4A15CF52.2010909@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I like Rogan's Big Five (including Jim's addition). (9 years ago on my > only trip to South Africa, we spent 4 days in Kruger National Park, and > managed to see all the Big 5 animals. What a fantastic country you have.) > > And just like him, after years and many many attempts at trying, not > only did I managed to get 2 or 3 seedlings that have actually continued > growing all season, but one of them surprised me by opening a bunch of > the small blue flowers for me a week ago! It was great. > > Now those other four (Tecophilaea, Worsleya, Lapageria, and Paramongaia) > simply have to be seen in person, whether you grow and bloom them > yourself or someone else does. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USDA Zone 10a > > > >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:34:29 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <4A15D6F5.1020404@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > pelarg@aol.com wrote: > >> I? have some Paramongaia grown from seed, though they are still too young to flower. This plant is a strict winter grower, when I worked at the NYBG I grew it with Cape bulbs in a cool greenhouse.? It will not remain green over summer, allow seedlings to go dormant, they will reemerge in the fall.? It is not a fussy plant, surprisingly, just think of it as a daffodil on steroids.? It appreciates good soil and fertilizer when in growth, but wants to be bone dry during its dormancy. >> >> >> > > There are two strains of Paramongaia weberbaueri. The one from the > coast, which is the type I have, is just as Ernie describes. I grow it > just like my Cape bulbs and treat it the same way. It does very well in > this climate. (However, I have to warn people that if you grow it > outside during the winter in mild climates, it does not like any frost > on its leaves, so I grow mine near the house or under some protection > against night time radiation freezes.) > > The other strain is from the Andes (I think around 10,000ft/3000 m > elev.) and its growing season is shifted from the coastal strain. I have > been told that it doesn't leaf out until late winter/early spring and > doesn't go dormant until the latter half of the summer, and that it > doesn't like winter rains while it is still dormant and the temperatures > are chilly. > > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USDA Zone 10a > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:05:26 EDT > From: Theladygardens@aol.com > Subject: [pbs] Where to order large roll of copper tape > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Some time ago someone told us where to purchase a large roll of copper > tape to repel snails and slugs. I lost this information. If someone knows > please post it again. > Thanks, Carolyn > **************Huge savings on HDTVs from Dell.com! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221836042x1201399880/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.ne > t%2Fclk%3B215073686%3B37034322%3Bb) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 16:07:10 -0700 > From: Mary Sue Ittner > Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla natalensis in flower > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20090521155600.033e4cf0@mail.mcn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Sir Peter Smithers used to grow and flower this plant in containers. I have > one expanded to many growing in a container that has bloomed for a number > of years now and a couple planted in the ground that have yet to bloom. I > know they flower them well at the UC Botanical Garden in Berkeley in the > ground. I tend to garden on the dry side in summer however when we don't > have any rainfall and it is a summer rainfall plant. So it's possible that > it is happier growing in a container where there is better attention to its > needs than in the dry ground. And it probably would be happier still in > the ground with regular summer water. > > So Boyce you still may have luck with your container grown plants. Mine > stay outside year round, but somewhat sheltered from our rain. Maybe your > inside one wants cooler temperatures or a range of temperatures? Still if > you can grow it in the ground, it's certainly easier. > > Mary Sue > > >> For years I coddled the Scilla in containers indoors in anticipation of >> spikes with dozens of flowers; then a post came through PBS that >> mentioned that they never bloomed in containers. >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 23:29:29 +0000 > From: Alberto Castillo > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi: > > > > Yes there are two strains, the winter grower I saw in flower in February at the UC Irvine Arboretum. > > > > I have grown the winter dormant form and also a supposed additonal species, P. superba, that was also a winter dormant plant. What Lee says about these Andean plants (only some of which are alpine) is true, many receive rainfall in late spring lasting to early to late fall. > > > > Both Paramongaias were very easy plants in drained mix and the glaucuous pruinose erect foliage was very elegant and attractive on its own. They obviously enjoyed warm conditions and full sun. In the wild they grow in fully exposed slopes in rubble. The bulb is found deeply in the ground. > > > > > > Best > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > ?Invit? a todos tus amigos de una sola vez! Probalo ahora > http://www.microsoft.com/argentina/windows/windowslive/products/social-network-connector.aspx > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:13:30 -0400 > From: pelarg@aol.com > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia, Scilla > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <8CBA891A7372B1B-D00-2817@webmail-mh22.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Wow, learn something new every day.? I did not know there was a summer growing form of Paramongaia, for whatever its worth, the plant at NYBG came from Longwood, I remember checking the accession records.? A summer growing form might be easier to grow as a summer outdoor bulb, dug up (or potted) and brought in, over most of the US, although I wonder if it might want cool night temps in view of its habitat. Hope it becomes more available some day. > Didn't think Scilla natalensis would like really cold winters, since the bulb does not go deep, but now I will put some of my bulbs (also unflowered) near the wall at school.? Gladiolus "Atom" has no problems wintering there,and are coming up strong right now. > Ernie > Tuckahoe NY z6/7?? plantblog:? http://geraniosgarden.blogspot.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 06:35:24 -0400 > From: lucgbulot@aol.com > Subject: [pbs] Re : Scilla natalensis in flower > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <8CBA8E02676484C-934-1436@mblk-d42.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello all, > > A long time since I posted something on the forum. > > I?purchased my?S. natalensis?in April?2007. The plant was?transfered from container to its actual spot, a south facing mixed bed were I also grow botanic species of Iris, Tulipa and Allium, Scilla, Sedum and Dianthus, in May 2007. The soil is well drained. The plant bloomed for the first time this year and the inflorescence is about 50 centimeters high. Compared to last year I must say we have had a much milder and wet fall, winter and spring. It should also be noted that the plant was fully covered by snow for a full week in January. > > Luc, zone 8b, South East France > > > -----E-mail d'origine----- > De : Mary Sue Ittner > A : Pacific Bulb Society > Envoy? le : Vendredi, 22 Mai 2009 1:07 > Sujet : Re: [pbs] Scilla natalensis in flower > > > > Sir Peter Smithers used to grow and flower this plant in containers. I have > ne expanded to many growing in a container that has bloomed for a number > f years now and a couple planted in the ground that have yet to bloom. I > now they flower them well at the UC Botanical Garden in Berkeley in the > round. I tend to garden on the dry side in summer however when we don't > ave any rainfall and it is a summer rainfall plant. So it's possible that > t is happier growing in a container where there is better attention to its > eeds than in the dry ground. And it probably would be happier still in > he ground with re > gular summer water. > So Boyce you still may have luck with your container grown plants. Mine > tay outside year round, but somewhat sheltered from our rain. Maybe your > nside one wants cooler temperatures or a range of temperatures? Still if > ou can grow it in the ground, it's certainly easier. > Mary Sue > >> For years I coddled the Scilla in containers indoors in anticipation of >> > spikes with dozens of flowers; then a post came through PBS that > mentioned that they never bloomed in containers. > _______________________________________________ > bs mailing list > bs@lists.ibiblio.org > ttp://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > ttp://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Re?evez AOL Mail sur votre t?l?phone. 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Cr?ez un e-mail gratuit aujourd?hui. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 07:41:23 -0400 > From: "MARK MAZER AND FREDRIKA MAZER" > Subject: Re: [pbs] Where to order large roll of copper tape > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" > Message-ID: <410-220095522114123656@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > McMaster-Carr > > http://www.mcmaster.com/#copper-foil-tape/=1zedl3 > > > Mark Mazer > Hertford, North Carolina US > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:02:01 -0400 > From: Tony Avent > Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla natalensis in flower > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <4A16BE69.7070303@plantdelights.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Boyce: > > We're certainly far south of Chicago, but Scilla natalensis flowers > great here every year, with a low in 2008/9 of 9F. > > Tony Avent > Plant Delights Nursery @ > Juniper Level Botanic Garden > 9241 Sauls Road > Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA > Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F > Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F > USDA Hardiness Zone 7b > email tony@plantdelights.com > website http://www.plantdelights.com > phone 919 772-4794 > fax 919 772-4752 > "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent > > > > Boyce Tankersley wrote: > >> It was a very pleasant surprise to find flowering outdoors in USDA zone >> 5b, just northwest of Chicago, Illinois, a Scilla natalensis (Merwilla >> plumbea) grown from seed obtained through the PBS seed exchange 10 years >> ago. >> >> For years I coddled the Scilla in containers indoors in anticipation of >> spikes with dozens of flowers; then a post came through PBS that >> mentioned that they never bloomed in containers. Uggh, 7 years of >> misspent effort. Given that my collection of non-hardy plants had >> exceeded the available space in our home, the Scilla and a number of >> other 'probably not hardy' bulbs were planted in a south facing flower >> bed that receives reflected heat from the aluminum siding. >> >> It is a good foot away from the house foundation in an area where Canna >> freeze out. >> >> I kept 1 container indoors - and indeed it still has not flowered. >> >> For those not familiar with the Chicago winter of 2008-2009, we spent >> most of the winter with temperatures well below freezing and dipped for >> almost a week into temperatures in the -10 to -16 degree F range. >> >> Not hot enough for hallucinations yet; am I just lucky or have others >> had it survive outdoors in continental climates? >> >> Boyce Tankersley >> Director of Living Plant Documentation >> Chicago Botanic Garden >> 1000 Lake Cook Road >> Glencoe, IL 60022 >> tel: 847-835-6841 >> fax: 847-835-1635 >> email: btankers@chicagobotanic.org >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 23 > *********************************** > > From btankers@chicagobotanic.org Fri May 22 13:46:51 2009 Message-Id: <52857FDB394B7E45BA1F2E60D7313E2A0FCC217C@cbgmail.chicagobotanic.org> From: "Boyce Tankersley" Subject: Scilla natalensis Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:46:00 -0500 Hi Paul: Yes, I admired your Scilla natalensis (among a couple of thousand other plants in your collection) during the APGA field trip to your Garden. My bulb is planted deeply - one of the reasons I was not sure it would survive, much less flower. Boyce Tankersley Director of Living Plant Documentation Chicago Botanic Garden 1000 Lake Cook Road Glencoe, IL 60022 tel: 847-835-6841 fax: 847-835-1635 email: btankers@chicagobotanic.org From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Fri May 22 15:43:43 2009 Message-Id: <000601c9db16$3918cd60$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Caliifornia week in Maryland Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:48:03 -0400 This must be California week in my garden: various west coast of North America Brodiaea (B. jolonensis) , Dichelostemma (D. multiflorum, D. ida-maia, D. Pink Diamond) and Triteleia (T. ixioides) are blooming now and more are on the way. Dutch iris are also in bloom, as are such big Asian Allium as cristophii and the garden hybrid Globemaster. Little Allium crenulatum, the Olympic onion, is also blooming. Moraea polyanthus continues to bloom, and with each new flower it rises a bit in my esteem. Lilium hansonii has some well colored buds and will probably be the first lily to bloom here this year. A nice seed pod is ripening on Tecophilaea cyanocrocus. Crocuses in the lawn, mostly tommies, are putting their seed capsules up to the sun. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From pameladaz@msn.com Sat May 23 11:56:53 2009 Message-Id: From: "Pamela Slate" Subject: Bulb Storage Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:56:44 -0700 Hi- Is there anyone out there who knows where I can get net bags (various materials are used) for bulb storage? I like them for ventilation, ease of ID and I can always see whether there's a problem or sprouting. Thanks much and have a good holiday, Pam Pamela Slate P.O. Box 5316 Carefree AZ 85377 From fbiasella@watertownsavings.com Sat May 23 12:11:35 2009 Message-Id: <895E75896DC54ED983892BA6650222A2@wsbmain.net> From: "Fred Biasella" Subject: Bulb Storage Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:09:55 -0400 Hi Pamela, Save yourself some aggravation and just use an old pair of pantyhose. They work just as well. Fred Biasella Cambridge (Boston) MA -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Pamela Slate Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:57 AM To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' Subject: [pbs] Bulb Storage Hi- Is there anyone out there who knows where I can get net bags (various materials are used) for bulb storage? I like them for ventilation, ease of ID and I can always see whether there's a problem or sprouting. Thanks much and have a good holiday, Pam Pamela Slate P.O. Box 5316 Carefree AZ 85377 From markmazerandfm13@earthlink.net Sat May 23 12:27:40 2009 Message-Id: <410-220095623162736562@earthlink.net> From: "MARK MAZER AND FREDRIKA MAZER" Subject: Bulb Storage Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:27:36 -0400 Ol' reliable, McMaster-Carr, one of the great American companies, sells them. Anybody who "gets their hands dirty" should bookmark the site or acquire the catalog. www.mcmaster.com Search the site for mesh bags and the catalog page will load. Mark Mazer Hertford, North Carolina, USA > Is there anyone out there who knows where I can get net bag From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat May 23 13:00:38 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Bulb Storage Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:00:18 -0700 An alternative to ordering net bags is to make them yourself. You can buy various kinds of netting at any large fabric store. If your sewing machine doesn't like the netting, you can cover the seam with tissue paper while sewing. I did this when I thought I would grow and store my own onions -- not realizing that good storage onions can be produced only where they get sufficient heat in summer. I don't store ornamental bulbs out of the ground for very long, and so I just use brown paper bags (obtainable in bulk from Costco) for the 4 to 6 weeks they're out during my annual bulb sale. Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA From bob.hoel@comcast.net Sat May 23 14:25:42 2009 Message-Id: <7BD821D2CEED456BBCAD673BBE872990@bobdrfbtesv9tn> From: "Bob Hoel" Subject: bulb storage Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 13:20:26 -0500 Pam, I have found the mesh bags from the grocery store to work well. 3# and 5# of onions often come in them. As they are made out of plastic they are re-usable over many years. I use them to store garlic in. No reason other bulbs/tubers, etc. wouldn't work in them. Bob Hoel Elmhurst, Illinois 630-279-8510 -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:21 PM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 25 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Today's Topics: 1. Re: Scilla natalensis (Boyce Tankersley) 2. Caliifornia week in Maryland (Jim McKenney) 3. Bulb Storage (Pamela Slate) 4. Re: Bulb Storage (Fred Biasella) 5. Re: Bulb Storage (MARK MAZER AND FREDRIKA MAZER) 6. Re: Bulb Storage (Jane McGary) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:46:00 -0500 From: "Boyce Tankersley" Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla natalensis To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Message-ID: <52857FDB394B7E45BA1F2E60D7313E2A0FCC217C@cbgmail.chicagobotanic.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Paul: Yes, I admired your Scilla natalensis (among a couple of thousand other plants in your collection) during the APGA field trip to your Garden. My bulb is planted deeply - one of the reasons I was not sure it would survive, much less flower. Boyce Tankersley Director of Living Plant Documentation Chicago Botanic Garden 1000 Lake Cook Road Glencoe, IL 60022 tel: 847-835-6841 fax: 847-835-1635 email: btankers@chicagobotanic.org ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:48:03 -0400 From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: [pbs] Caliifornia week in Maryland To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" Message-ID: <000601c9db16$3918cd60$2f01a8c0@Library> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" This must be California week in my garden: various west coast of North America Brodiaea (B. jolonensis) , Dichelostemma (D. multiflorum, D. ida-maia, D. Pink Diamond) and Triteleia (T. ixioides) are blooming now and more are on the way. Dutch iris are also in bloom, as are such big Asian Allium as cristophii and the garden hybrid Globemaster. Little Allium crenulatum, the Olympic onion, is also blooming. Moraea polyanthus continues to bloom, and with each new flower it rises a bit in my esteem. Lilium hansonii has some well colored buds and will probably be the first lily to bloom here this year. A nice seed pod is ripening on Tecophilaea cyanocrocus. Crocuses in the lawn, mostly tommies, are putting their seed capsules up to the sun. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871? North, 77.09829? West, USDA zone 7 My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:56:44 -0700 From: "Pamela Slate" Subject: [pbs] Bulb Storage To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi- Is there anyone out there who knows where I can get net bags (various materials are used) for bulb storage? I like them for ventilation, ease of ID and I can always see whether there's a problem or sprouting. Thanks much and have a good holiday, Pam Pamela Slate P.O. Box 5316 Carefree AZ 85377 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:09:55 -0400 From: "Fred Biasella" Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulb Storage To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" Message-ID: <895E75896DC54ED983892BA6650222A2@wsbmain.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Pamela, Save yourself some aggravation and just use an old pair of pantyhose. They work just as well. Fred Biasella Cambridge (Boston) MA -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Pamela Slate Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:57 AM To: 'Pacific Bulb Society' Subject: [pbs] Bulb Storage Hi- Is there anyone out there who knows where I can get net bags (various materials are used) for bulb storage? I like them for ventilation, ease of ID and I can always see whether there's a problem or sprouting. Thanks much and have a good holiday, Pam Pamela Slate P.O. Box 5316 Carefree AZ 85377 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:27:36 -0400 From: "MARK MAZER AND FREDRIKA MAZER" Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulb Storage To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Message-ID: <410-220095623162736562@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Ol' reliable, McMaster-Carr, one of the great American companies, sells them. Anybody who "gets their hands dirty" should bookmark the site or acquire the catalog. www.mcmaster.com Search the site for mesh bags and the catalog page will load. Mark Mazer Hertford, North Carolina, USA > Is there anyone out there who knows where I can get net bag ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:00:18 -0700 From: Jane McGary Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulb Storage To: Pacific Bulb Society Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed An alternative to ordering net bags is to make them yourself. You can buy various kinds of netting at any large fabric store. If your sewing machine doesn't like the netting, you can cover the seam with tissue paper while sewing. I did this when I thought I would grow and store my own onions -- not realizing that good storage onions can be produced only where they get sufficient heat in summer. I don't store ornamental bulbs out of the ground for very long, and so I just use brown paper bags (obtainable in bulk from Costco) for the 4 to 6 weeks they're out during my annual bulb sale. Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 25 *********************************** From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Sat May 23 14:26:17 2009 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Bulb Storage Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 18:26:14 +0000 Hi Pam: A good number of bulbs and corms are affected by light (not suprisingly!) so the mesh bags are better stored in boxes of wood shavings, dry peat, etc. _________________________________________________________________ ¡Invitá a todos tus amigos de una sola vez! Probalo ahora http://www.microsoft.com/argentina/windows/windowslive/products/social-network-connector.aspx From ds429@comcast.net Sat May 23 15:19:11 2009 Message-Id: <001901c9dbdb$61362930$23a27b90$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Bulb Storage Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 15:19:22 -0400 Wow, Mark. What a great site! Thanks. Dell -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of MARK MAZER AND FREDRIKA MAZER Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:28 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulb Storage Ol' reliable, McMaster-Carr, one of the great American companies, sells them. Anybody who "gets their hands dirty" should bookmark the site or acquire the catalog. www.mcmaster.com Search the site for mesh bags and the catalog page will load. Mark Mazer Hertford, North Carolina, USA > Is there anyone out there who knows where I can get net bag From idavide@sbcglobal.net Sat May 23 22:52:33 2009 Message-Id: <442039.4934.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: David Ehrlich Subject: Bulb Storage Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 19:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Another source of bulk materials is ULINE http://www.uline.com/ From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun May 24 14:16:21 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: PBS Newsletter Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:53:41 -0700 Those of you who are dues-paying members of the PBS have been enjoying the work of Marguerite English, who has been editing "The Bulb Garden," the society's print newsletter, for the past several years. Marguerite is resigning the editorship to pursue some new endeavors. I'm sure everyone will join me in thanking her for the wonderful work she's done. She is a great contributor to our little organization. This means that we must find a new editor for this quarterly publication. The editor solicits articles and photos from authors, compiles these along with the various organizational business that's published in the newsletter, and collaborates with other volunteers (currently, Jennifer Hildebrand) to produce the finished layout. Printing and mailing are currently handled by our treasurer, Arnold Trachtenberg. The newsletter is currently running 12 pages (8.5 x 11 inches) and has color photos. The Board has decided that the editor shall receive annual membership as reimbursement for doing this work. Editors also enjoy making new acquaintances through their correspondence, and they learn a lot. If you're interested in volunteering for this position, please write to me directly. Feel free to phone me if you'd like to discuss it that way. I hope to hear from you! Jane McGary President, Pacific Bulb Society janemcgary@earthlink.net 503-630-3339 From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun May 24 14:16:24 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Group bulb orders Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:12:19 -0700 One of the topics discussed at today's Board meeting was the possibility of organizing group bulb orders so that U.S. members could obtain bulbs from foreign suppliers at wholesale prices and with a minimum of expense for CITES and phyto certificates, shipping, and other costs. We agreed that this should not be done through the BX, whose manager, Dell Sherk, already shoulders a big responsibility. I'd like to start a discussion on this forum to find out how many members would be interested in ordering, what categories of bulbs they would like to order (tropical? South African? hardy?), and suggested suppliers. I've done something like this myself, and here is how it worked: 1. Somebody (a noble soul) volunteers to be the manager. 2. The manager obtains catalog/pricelists from suppliers and sends copies of them to any Society member who requests them. (Note that we're proposing that this service be available only to PBS membvers.) 3. Participants submit their orders by a stated date. 4. Manager collates the orders, keeping records of who ordered what and how many, and sends the total order to the supplier. 5. The supplier ships the total order to the manager, who will probably have to walk it through air freight and customs offices. 6. The manager notifies the participants by e-mail of how much they owe for bulbs and shipping, adding a percentage for handling (this handling fee is kept by the manager in return for his or her work). 7. Participants IMMEDIATELY pay their bills to the manager, who must pay the supplier within 30 days. 8. Manager separates and repacks each participant's order and mails it (by Priority Mail, for which you can obtain free boxes) as soon as participant has paid. It will look like the tricky part is getting the participants to pay immediately. However, in my experience selling bulbs and sending invoices with the shipment, almost everyone pays quickly, and nobody has ever ripped me off. Gardeners are a pretty honest bunch! Although this activity is being proposed as a benefit of PBS membership, it is not planned that the Society will expend or receive any money from it. The benefits of participating in such a project are as follows: 1. You can order retail quantities at wholesale prices if enough people want the same item. 2. You share the expense of phytosanitary and CITES certification; the latter is extremely costly. 3. You may be able to order from specialist suppliers who normally would not ship small orders overseas. 4. You can get the items via air freight, instead of ordering them through a domestic retailer who gets them by sea freight and has them sitting around going bad for weeks. It's too late to start a project like this this year, unless orders from the Southern Hemisphere were wanted. However, to get orders from Europe we would need to have a manager ready by about next March. Let's start discussing it now! Best regards, Jane McGary President, Pacific Bulb Society From ds429@comcast.net Sun May 24 14:12:57 2009 Message-Id: <000c01c9dc9b$485ff6a0$d91fe3e0$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 204 Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:13:04 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 204" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE ON EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. New Hope, PA, 18938 USA Non US donors should contact me for instructions before sending seeds. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From PBS: SEEDS: 1. Ammocharis coranica 2. Brunsvigia orientalis 3. Brunsvigia radulosa 4. Crossyne flava 5. Nerine angustifolia From Pam Slate: BULBS/CORMS: 6. Van Bloem hyacinth, white, blue, and purple, mixed 7. Sparaxis hybrids, tricolor 8. Freesia hybrids, red (two different shades, mixed) with yellow center 9. Freesia hybrids, singles and a few doubles, mostly yellow and lavender 10. Crocus sativus, saffron crocus 11. Tulipa clusiana 12. Ipheion uniflorum 'Rolf Fiedler' 13. Tritonia hybs, apricot From Dell Sherk: 14. Rhizomes of Achimenes, mixture of 4 different purple hybs Thank you Pam !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun May 24 14:16:30 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Topic of the Week Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 11:15:20 -0700 This forum used to have a feature called "Topic of the Week." It was proposed by a volunteer, who either wrote up a specific topic or found some other expert to do it. The volunteer presented a list of topics ahead of time in the hope that such experts would step up and introduce the topics. Once the introductory post appeared, people discussed it in depth. Our hard-working wiki manager, Mary Sue Ittner, would like to restart this feature. Can we have a volunteer to post a proposed list of topics for, say, the next 12 weeks? If I weren't swamped with work just now I'd do it, but it's 11 am and I have 8 hours of editing ahead of me. Please get in touch about this! Jane McGary From oothal@hotmail.com Sun May 24 15:11:50 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Group bulb orders Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:11:48 -0500 Hi all, What was said: > From: janemcgary@earthlink.net > Subject: [pbs] Group bulb orders > > 7. Participants IMMEDIATELY pay their bills to the manager, who must > pay the supplier within 30 days. > > It will look like the tricky part is getting the participants to pay > immediately. However, in my experience selling bulbs and sending > invoices with the shipment, almost everyone pays quickly, and nobody > has ever ripped me off. Gardeners are a pretty honest bunch! > > > Best regards, > Jane McGary > President, Pacific Bulb Society > I like this idea, though item number 7 is the most problematic. I would think that approximate costs could be figured out ahead of time and PREPAID. This would certainly go a long way to making sure everything went smoothly. Then after final costs are calculated then the difference could be paid. It would only take a time or two for costs to get fairly accurate estimates. Lets face it, any plant material has a risk of confiscation. Due to many factors. Besides the suppliers I have bought from in Thailand wanted their money up front. The most important factor though would be the port they went through for inspection. I am totally convinced that the people who work at Houston are not as well trained as in other ports of entry. Twice they have confiscated Brunsvigia seeds as being fruit instead of seed. Justin Woodville, TX _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 From msittner@mcn.org Sun May 24 19:45:59 2009 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20090524142113.036ddde0@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Topic of the Week Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:36:37 -0700 Hi all, I'm not sure why the idea of restarting the Topic of the Week is being attributed to me. This is not my request. I will try to find the time to link the Topic of the Week to the wiki like I did before if there is a volunteer eager to take it on and the group wants to do it again, but that is a little different from wanting it to start again. The statement below looks like I'm looking for more work to do and that is not the case! I found the Topic of the Week very interesting when we did it, especially when people who were expert shared their knowledge about a subject and when people shared their experiences, but it was very labor intensive for the leader (me.) If someone does wish to start this again, it might be more manageable as the topic of the month. Mary Sue >Our hard-working wiki manager, Mary Sue Ittner, would like to restart this >feature. From adam14113@ameritech.net Sun May 24 19:47:16 2009 Message-Id: <6EE5DB992FE2416EA9685A5FDC272403@FAMILY> From: "Adam Fikso" Subject: Group bulb orders Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:45:39 -0500 Hi Jane. I'd be interested mainly in hardy especially Asian bulbs, (Zone 5-6 or lower) and paying by PayPal (4% cost) because it's easy and on line. I hope you can make it work. I'd then consider some Africans or Agapanthus hardy hybrids, etc. to push zones. I currently grow some Zone 8-10 in my area, with no protection other than careful siting, Successfully, e.g., Crinum, Eucomis, Zantedeschia albomaculata and hybrids. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane McGary" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 1:12 PM Subject: [pbs] Group bulb orders > One of the topics discussed at today's Board meeting was the > possibility of organizing group bulb orders so that U.S. members > could obtain bulbs from foreign suppliers at wholesale prices and > with a minimum of expense for CITES and phyto certificates, shipping, > and other costs. We agreed that this should not be done through the > BX, whose manager, Dell Sherk, already shoulders a big responsibility. > > I'd like to start a discussion on this forum to find out how many > members would be interested in ordering, what categories of bulbs > they would like to order (tropical? South African? hardy?), and > suggested suppliers. > > I've done something like this myself, and here is how it worked: > 1. Somebody (a noble soul) volunteers to be the manager. > 2. The manager obtains catalog/pricelists from suppliers and sends > copies of them to any Society member who requests them. (Note that > we're proposing that this service be available only to PBS membvers.) > 3. Participants submit their orders by a stated date. > 4. Manager collates the orders, keeping records of who ordered what > and how many, and sends the total order to the supplier. > 5. The supplier ships the total order to the manager, who will > probably have to walk it through air freight and customs offices. > 6. The manager notifies the participants by e-mail of how much they > owe for bulbs and shipping, adding a percentage for handling (this > handling fee is kept by the manager in return for his or her work). > 7. Participants IMMEDIATELY pay their bills to the manager, who must > pay the supplier within 30 days. > 8. Manager separates and repacks each participant's order and mails > it (by Priority Mail, for which you can obtain free boxes) as soon as > participant has paid. > > It will look like the tricky part is getting the participants to pay > immediately. However, in my experience selling bulbs and sending > invoices with the shipment, almost everyone pays quickly, and nobody > has ever ripped me off. Gardeners are a pretty honest bunch! > > Although this activity is being proposed as a benefit of PBS > membership, it is not planned that the Society will expend or receive > any money from it. > > The benefits of participating in such a project are as follows: > 1. You can order retail quantities at wholesale prices if enough > people want the same item. > 2. You share the expense of phytosanitary and CITES certification; > the latter is extremely costly. > 3. You may be able to order from specialist suppliers who normally > would not ship small orders overseas. > 4. You can get the items via air freight, instead of ordering them > through a domestic retailer who gets them by sea freight and has them > sitting around going bad for weeks. > > It's too late to start a project like this this year, unless orders > from the Southern Hemisphere were wanted. However, to get orders from > Europe we would need to have a manager ready by about next March. > Let's start discussing it now! > > Best regards, > Jane McGary > President, Pacific Bulb Society > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From idavide@sbcglobal.net Sun May 24 20:42:34 2009 Message-Id: <964480.43454.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: David Ehrlich Subject: Group bulb orders Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:42:33 -0700 (PDT) I like this idea too.  I also think prepayment of estimated cost is a good idea, though it introduces the extra problems of making refunds or collecting differences on insufficient charges. David E. From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun May 24 21:10:26 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Topic of the Week Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:03:06 -0700 Sorry! I didn't phrase my post about the Topic of the Week very well. When I wrote > >Our hard-working wiki manager, Mary Sue Ittner, would like to restart this > >feature. what I should have said is "Mary Sue has suggested that we find someone to restart this feature." I didn't mean to ask her to do any more work, God knows. Apologies, Jane McGary From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun May 24 21:10:27 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Group bulb orders Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:08:28 -0700 At 05:42 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote: >I like this idea too. I also think prepayment of estimated cost is >a good idea, though it introduces the extra problems of making >refunds or collecting differences on insufficient charges. The problem is estimating the shipping cost, which in my experience can run almost equal to the cost of the bulbs themselves, but varies quite a bit. Some of the foreign dealers I've bought bulbs from require payment in advance, and some do not (at least,they billed me on shipment, but it may be because I was personally acquainted with them). By the way, I'm not volunteering to manage one of these projects, at least not in the next 2 years, because I'm still working and also have to get moved to my new house and get my old one sold. I'm going to have one more surplus bulb sale, this summer, and after that will transfer a lot of my stock to a nearby nursery, just keeping as much as I can use in the new garden and bulb house. Jane McGary From c-mueller@tamu.edu Mon May 25 08:28:54 2009 Message-Id: <4A1A48A5.D5DB.008A.0@ag.tamu.edu> From: "Cynthia Mueller" Subject: Group bulb orders Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 07:28:11 -0500 >>> Jane McGary wrote, ...One of the topics discussed at today's Board meeting was the possibility of organizing group bulb orders so that U.S. members could obtain bulbs from foreign suppliers at wholesale prices and with a minimum of expense for CITES and phyto certificates, shipping, and other costs. ... I'm sure there are other hippeastrum enthusiasts out there besides me who would be interested in group orders of hipps from Dutch, South African or Japanese wholesalers. It's still quite difficult to get the more unusual sorts commercially. I look forward to hearing how this will take shape. Thanks, Cynthia Mueller, College Station, TX From aley_wd@mac.com Mon May 25 08:36:57 2009 Message-Id: From: William Aley Subject: Group bulb orders Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:36:37 -0400 Hi Cynthia, If you'd like any advice or help with import permits,CITES, phytosanitary certificates, National Plant Protection Organizations or information pertaining to the import process please drop me a line. I may have some insight. Bill william.d.aley@aphis.usda.gov On May 25, 2009, at 8:28 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > > >>>> Jane McGary wrote, ...One of the topics discussed at today's >>>> Board meeting was the > possibility of organizing group bulb orders so that U.S. members > could obtain bulbs from foreign suppliers at wholesale prices and > with a minimum of expense for CITES and phyto certificates, shipping, > and other costs. ... > > I'm sure there are other hippeastrum enthusiasts out there besides > me who would be interested in group orders of hipps from Dutch, > South African or Japanese wholesalers. It's still quite difficult > to get the more unusual sorts commercially. I look forward to > hearing how this will take shape. Thanks, Cynthia Mueller, College > Station, TX > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From c-mueller@tamu.edu Mon May 25 09:04:50 2009 Message-Id: <4A1A5121.D5DB.008A.0@ag.tamu.edu> From: "Cynthia Mueller" Subject: Group bulb orders Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:04:23 -0500 Hello, William....thanks for your response. I don't know whether or not you collect hippeastrums, but if you do you may have seen all the wonderful hybrids in Veronica Read's fairly recent book. However, there are only about 20 cultivars available in the US on the web at the proper time of the year, and even fewer available at garden centers - many of those touted in glossy illustrations on the subject are just not here for the individual purchaser. The problem is that wholesalers - the Dutch, South Africans, and Japanese - only send rarer items in bulk to suppliers in the US who may have contacts with high-dollar garden centers, etc. The individual can't go to the local box stores or local garden centers and purchase these. So it would be wonderful to be able to combine an order that would amount to a wholesale order and then divvy up. I wish you would write a little piece for the Pacific Bulb Society or IBS about how to get your import certificates, etc. I would really like to know how to get seeds of amaryllids from such places as South America. Thanks for your interest, Cynthia Mueller >>> William Aley 5/25/2009 7:36 AM >>> Hi Cynthia, If you'd like any advice or help with import permits,CITES, phytosanitary certificates, National Plant Protection Organizations or information pertaining to the import process please drop me a line. I may have some insight. Bill william.d.aley@aphis.usda.gov On May 25, 2009, at 8:28 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > > >>>> Jane McGary wrote, ...One of the topics discussed at today's >>>> Board meeting was the > possibility of organizing group bulb orders so that U.S. members > could obtain bulbs from foreign suppliers at wholesale prices and > with a minimum of expense for CITES and phyto certificates, shipping, > and other costs. ... > > I'm sure there are other hippeastrum enthusiasts out there besides > me who would be interested in group orders of hipps from Dutch, > South African or Japanese wholesalers. It's still quite difficult > to get the more unusual sorts commercially. I look forward to > hearing how this will take shape. Thanks, Cynthia Mueller, College > Station, TX > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From betschei@yahoo.com Mon May 25 11:38:58 2009 Message-Id: <20090525153857.1E1214C00F@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Beth Etscheid Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 27 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:39:10 -0700 Hi, Dekk. 5, 13 & 14 please. Have a good holiday! Beth -----Original Message----- From: pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:36 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 27 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Today's Topics: 1. Pacific BX 204 (Dell Sherk) 2. PBS Newsletter (Jane McGary) 3. Group bulb orders (Jane McGary) 4. Topic of the Week (Jane McGary) 5. Re: Group bulb orders (Justin Smith) 6. Re: Topic of the Week (Mary Sue Ittner) 7. Re: Group bulb orders (Adam Fikso) 8. Re: Group bulb orders (David Ehrlich) 9. Re: Topic of the Week (Jane McGary) 10. Re: Group bulb orders (Jane McGary) 11. Group bulb orders (Cynthia Mueller) 12. Re: Group bulb orders (William Aley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:13:04 -0400 From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: [pbs] Pacific BX 204 To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" Cc: 'Cathy Craig' , 'Mark Wilcox' , 'Roger Macfarlane' Message-ID: <000c01c9dc9b$485ff6a0$d91fe3e0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared From dkramb@badbear.com Mon May 25 11:41:10 2009 Message-Id: <4A1ABBF7.1040900@badbear.com> From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Calochortus in Ohio Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:40:39 -0400 I bought some "mixed Calochortus" years ago... several of the varieties have died... but one, a white one with red markings has performed admirably here. It has been blooming for a few days now and looks just great. I grow it against my house on the south side, in a sandy well drained soil. I think it must be Calochortus venustus. It's great to be able to grow these outdoors, year round, in Ohio. Dennis in Cincy From ds429@comcast.net Mon May 25 12:52:24 2009 Message-Id: <001901c9dd59$3264bb60$972e3220$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 27 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:52:32 -0400 Dear Bete, I have received your order. Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Beth Etscheid Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:39 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 27 Hi, Dekk. 5, 13 & 14 please. Have a good holiday! Beth From ds429@comcast.net Mon May 25 14:01:12 2009 Message-Id: <000501c9dd62$d31a00c0$794e0240$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Gesneriad convention Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:01:27 -0400 Hi All, I know that many of us belong to more than one plant society. I will be attending the Gesneriad Society's convention in Washington, DC, at the beginning of July. I hope that some of you will be there also. If you are going to be there, I hope you will seek me out so we can meet. Best wishes, Dell From ann@landspro.com Mon May 25 16:04:27 2009 Message-Id: <20090525200425.BE33E4C029@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Ann B." Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 28 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:04:23 -0600 Cynthia, In the past few years, more and more hippeastrum have become available on the web. Typically, they are listed by the name Amaryllis rather than Hippeastrum. I would imagine that there are approximately 80-100 or more varieties available starting in late July and August, but not shipping until October. The smaller, more miniature varieties are showing up more in the online catalogs. Mislabeling is still a very big problem, but I assure you that you can find an abundance of varieties including cybister types. Give me a week or so, and I will try to create a list of Hippeastrum sources. Ann B. -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:21 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 28 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Today's Topics: 1. Re: Group bulb orders (Cynthia Mueller) 2. Re: pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 27 (Beth Etscheid) 3. Calochortus in Ohio (Dennis Kramb) 4. Re: pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 27 (Dell Sherk) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:04:23 -0500 From: "Cynthia Mueller" Subject: Re: [pbs] Group bulb orders To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Message-ID: <4A1A5121.D5DB.008A.0@ag.tamu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hello, William....thanks for your response. I don't know whether or not you collect hippeastrums, but if you do you may have seen all the wonderful hybrids in Veronica Read's fairly recent book. However, there are only about 20 cultivars available in the US on the web at the proper time of the year, and even fewer available at garden centers - many of those touted in glossy illustrations on the subject are just not here for the individual purchaser. The problem is that wholesalers - the Dutch, South Africans, and Japanese - only send rarer items in bulk to suppliers in the US who may have contacts with high-dollar garden centers, etc. The individual can't go to the local box stores or local garden centers and purchase these. So it would be wonderful to be able to combine an order that would amount to a wholesale order and then divvy up. I wish you would write a little piece for the Pacific Bulb Society or IBS about how to get your import certificates, etc. I would really like to know how to get seeds of amaryllids from such places as South America. Thanks for your interest, Cynthia Mueller >>> William Aley 5/25/2009 7:36 AM >>> Hi Cynthia, If you'd like any advice or help with import permits,CITES, phytosanitary certificates, National Plant Protection Organizations or information pertaining to the import process please drop me a line. I may have some insight. Bill william.d.aley@aphis.usda.gov On May 25, 2009, at 8:28 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > > >>>> Jane McGary wrote, ...One of the topics discussed at today's Board >>>> meeting was the > possibility of organizing group bulb orders so that U.S. members could > obtain bulbs from foreign suppliers at wholesale prices and with a > minimum of expense for CITES and phyto certificates, shipping, and > other costs. ... > > I'm sure there are other hippeastrum enthusiasts out there besides me > who would be interested in group orders of hipps from Dutch, South > African or Japanese wholesalers. It's still quite difficult to get > the more unusual sorts commercially. I look forward to hearing how > this will take shape. Thanks, Cynthia Mueller, College Station, TX > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:39:10 -0700 From: Beth Etscheid Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 27 To: Message-ID: <20090525153857.1E1214C00F@lists.ibiblio.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Dekk. 5, 13 & 14 please. Have a good holiday! Beth -----Original Message----- From: pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:36 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 27 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Today's Topics: 1. Pacific BX 204 (Dell Sherk) 2. PBS Newsletter (Jane McGary) 3. Group bulb orders (Jane McGary) 4. Topic of the Week (Jane McGary) 5. Re: Group bulb orders (Justin Smith) 6. Re: Topic of the Week (Mary Sue Ittner) 7. Re: Group bulb orders (Adam Fikso) 8. Re: Group bulb orders (David Ehrlich) 9. Re: Topic of the Week (Jane McGary) 10. Re: Group bulb orders (Jane McGary) 11. Group bulb orders (Cynthia Mueller) 12. Re: Group bulb orders (William Aley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:13:04 -0400 From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: [pbs] Pacific BX 204 To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" Cc: 'Cathy Craig' , 'Mark Wilcox' , 'Roger Macfarlane' Message-ID: <000c01c9dc9b$485ff6a0$d91fe3e0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:40:39 -0400 From: Dennis Kramb Subject: [pbs] Calochortus in Ohio To: Pacific Bulb Society Message-ID: <4A1ABBF7.1040900@badbear.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I bought some "mixed Calochortus" years ago... several of the varieties have died... but one, a white one with red markings has performed admirably here. It has been blooming for a few days now and looks just great. I grow it against my house on the south side, in a sandy well drained soil. I think it must be Calochortus venustus. It's great to be able to grow these outdoors, year round, in Ohio. Dennis in Cincy ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:52:32 -0400 From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 27 To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" Message-ID: <001901c9dd59$3264bb60$972e3220$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Dear Bete, I have received your order. Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Beth Etscheid Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:39 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 27 Hi, Dekk. 5, 13 & 14 please. Have a good holiday! Beth ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 28 *********************************** From c-mueller@tamu.edu Mon May 25 17:08:48 2009 Message-Id: <4A1AC286.D5DB.008A.0@ag.tamu.edu> From: "Cynthia Mueller" Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 28 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:08:10 -0500 Hello, Ann B, Thanks for your suggestion. It would be very nice to have a good list. I've viewed bulbs offered on the web, which is a land of "caveat emptor" and it's sometimes hard to make your way between dealer's leftover lots, folks on eBay selling bulbs with no real provenance, Thai businessmen (really long-distance!) and reputable companies. The results were mixed, too: I've received nice, true-to-name plants and others that barely resembled the wished-for item. Most interesting to me were getting a source of bulbs from such nurseries/sales wholesalers as Isamu Miyaki of Japan, Cathy Osselton of Testcentrum voor Siergewassen in Holland and her Star of the Night, Queen of the Night, and Knight Garden series, the Penning series, the Barnhoorn Sonatini series and others. -Cynthia Mueller >>> "Ann B." 5/25/2009 3:04 PM >>> Cynthia, In the past few years, more and more hippeastrum have become available on the web. Typically, they are listed by the name Amaryllis rather than Hippeastrum. I would imagine that there are approximately 80-100 or more varieties available starting in late July and August, but not shipping until October. The smaller, more miniature varieties are showing up more in the online catalogs. Mislabeling is still a very big problem, but I assure you that you can find an abundance of varieties including cybister types. Give me a week or so, and I will try to create a list of Hippeastrum sources. Ann B. -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:21 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 28 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Today's Topics: 1. Re: Group bulb orders (Cynthia Mueller) 2. Re: pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 27 (Beth Etscheid) 3. Calochortus in Ohio (Dennis Kramb) 4. Re: pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 27 (Dell Sherk) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:04:23 -0500 From: "Cynthia Mueller" Subject: Re: [pbs] Group bulb orders To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Message-ID: <4A1A5121.D5DB.008A.0@ag.tamu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hello, William....thanks for your response. I don't know whether or not you collect hippeastrums, but if you do you may have seen all the wonderful hybrids in Veronica Read's fairly recent book. However, there are only about 20 cultivars available in the US on the web at the proper time of the year, and even fewer available at garden centers - many of those touted in glossy illustrations on the subject are just not here for the individual purchaser. The problem is that wholesalers - the Dutch, South Africans, and Japanese - only send rarer items in bulk to suppliers in the US who may have contacts with high-dollar garden centers, etc. The individual can't go to the local box stores or local garden centers and purchase these. So it would be wonderful to be able to combine an order that would amount to a wholesale order and then divvy up. I wish you would write a little piece for the Pacific Bulb Society or IBS about how to get your import certificates, etc. I would really like to know how to get seeds of amaryllids from such places as South America. Thanks for your interest, Cynthia Mueller >>> William Aley 5/25/2009 7:36 AM >>> Hi Cynthia, If you'd like any advice or help with import permits,CITES, phytosanitary certificates, National Plant Protection Organizations or information pertaining to the import process please drop me a line. I may have some insight. Bill william.d.aley@aphis.usda.gov On May 25, 2009, at 8:28 AM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > > >>>> Jane McGary wrote, ...One of the topics discussed at today's Board >>>> meeting was the > possibility of organizing group bulb orders so that U.S. members could > obtain bulbs from foreign suppliers at wholesale prices and with a > minimum of expense for CITES and phyto certificates, shipping, and > other costs. ... > > I'm sure there are other hippeastrum enthusiasts out there besides me > who would be interested in group orders of hipps from Dutch, South > African or Japanese wholesalers. It's still quite difficult to get > the more unusual sorts commercially. I look forward to hearing how > this will take shape. Thanks, Cynthia Mueller, College Station, TX > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:39:10 -0700 From: Beth Etscheid Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 27 To: Message-ID: <20090525153857.1E1214C00F@lists.ibiblio.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Dekk. 5, 13 & 14 please. Have a good holiday! Beth -----Original Message----- From: pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:36 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 27 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Today's Topics: 1. Pacific BX 204 (Dell Sherk) 2. PBS Newsletter (Jane McGary) 3. Group bulb orders (Jane McGary) 4. Topic of the Week (Jane McGary) 5. Re: Group bulb orders (Justin Smith) 6. Re: Topic of the Week (Mary Sue Ittner) 7. Re: Group bulb orders (Adam Fikso) 8. Re: Group bulb orders (David Ehrlich) 9. Re: Topic of the Week (Jane McGary) 10. Re: Group bulb orders (Jane McGary) 11. Group bulb orders (Cynthia Mueller) 12. Re: Group bulb orders (William Aley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:13:04 -0400 From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: [pbs] Pacific BX 204 To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" Cc: 'Cathy Craig' ,'Mark Wilcox' ,'Roger Macfarlane' Message-ID: <000c01c9dc9b$485ff6a0$d91fe3e0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:40:39 -0400 From: Dennis Kramb Subject: [pbs] Calochortus in Ohio To: Pacific Bulb Society Message-ID: <4A1ABBF7.1040900@badbear.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I bought some "mixed Calochortus" years ago... several of the varieties have died... but one, a white one with red markings has performed admirably here. It has been blooming for a few days now and looks just great. I grow it against my house on the south side, in a sandy well drained soil. I think it must be Calochortus venustus. It's great to be able to grow these outdoors, year round, in Ohio. Dennis in Cincy ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:52:32 -0400 From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 27 To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" Message-ID: <001901c9dd59$3264bb60$972e3220$@net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" Dear Bete, I have received your order. Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Beth Etscheid Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:39 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 27 Hi, Dekk. 5, 13 & 14 please. Have a good holiday! Beth ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 76, Issue 28 *********************************** _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From benechin@yahoo.com Tue May 26 22:43:07 2009 Message-Id: <426298.64936.qm@web90606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Patrick Troy Subject: Pacific BX 204 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Hi Dell, I'd like 6,7,8,9,10,11 and 12 please. Patrick Troy 861 David Ave Monterey, CA 93940 --- On Sun, 5/24/09, Dell Sherk wrote: > From: Dell Sherk > Subject: [pbs] Pacific BX 204 > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" > Cc: "'Cathy Craig'" , "'Mark Wilcox'" , "'Roger Macfarlane'" > Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 1:13 PM > Dear All, > > > >        The items listed below have > been donated by our members to be shared. > > > >   If you are interested in obtaining some of them, > please email me PRIVATELY > at . > Include "BX 204" in the subject line. > > > >         Specify the NUMBERS of the > items which you would like; do not > specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail > mail address, > too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based > on a first come, > first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you > will find, > included with them, a statement of how much money (usually > $2.00/item) > (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; > no money orders, please) you > should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for > packing and > first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. > > > > PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR > PLACING A SURCHARGE ON > EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. > > > >     Some of you are members of the online PBS > discussion forum but are not > members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS > AVAILABLE ONLY TO > MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you > can take advantage > of future offers such as this. Go to our website: > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... > > > >          If you would like to > donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors > will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for > their donations.), > please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: > > > > Dell Sherk > > 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. > > New Hope, PA, 18938 > > USA > > > > Non US donors should contact me for instructions before > sending seeds. > > > >             I WILL REPLY TO > YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. > > IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! > > > > >From PBS: > > > > SEEDS: > > > > 1. Ammocharis coranica > > 2. Brunsvigia orientalis > > 3. Brunsvigia radulosa > > 4. Crossyne flava > > 5. Nerine angustifolia > > > > >From Pam Slate: > > > > BULBS/CORMS: > > > > 6. Van Bloem hyacinth, white, blue, and purple, mixed > > 7. Sparaxis hybrids, tricolor > > 8. Freesia hybrids, red (two different shades, mixed) with > yellow center > > 9. Freesia hybrids, singles and a few doubles, mostly > yellow and lavender > > 10. Crocus sativus, saffron crocus > > 11. Tulipa clusiana > > 12. Ipheion uniflorum 'Rolf Fiedler' > > 13. Tritonia hybs, apricot > > > > >From Dell Sherk: > > > > 14. Rhizomes of Achimenes, mixture of 4 different purple > hybs > > > > Thank you Pam !! > > > > Best wishes, > > Dell > > > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From mj223@swbell.net Tue May 26 23:24:57 2009 Message-Id: <20090527032448.CCC944C014@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Mary jane" Subject: Pacific BX 204 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:24:39 -0500 Please remove me from the mailing list: Mj223@swbell.net Thank You!!! -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Troy Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:43 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific BX 204 Hi Dell, I'd like 6,7,8,9,10,11 and 12 please. Patrick Troy 861 David Ave Monterey, CA 93940 --- On Sun, 5/24/09, Dell Sherk wrote: > From: Dell Sherk > Subject: [pbs] Pacific BX 204 > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" > Cc: "'Cathy Craig'" , "'Mark Wilcox'" > , "'Roger Macfarlane'" > Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 1:13 PM > Dear All, > > > >        The items listed below have > been donated by our members to be shared. > > > >   If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me > PRIVATELY at . > Include "BX 204" in the subject line. > > > >         Specify the NUMBERS of the > items which you would like; do not > specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail > address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based > on a first come, first served system. When you receive your > seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much > money (usually > $2.00/item) > (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, > please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for > packing and first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. > > > > PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A > SURCHARGE ON EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. > > > >     Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are > not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE > ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can > take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... > > > >          If you would like to > donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on > the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send > CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: > > > > Dell Sherk > > 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. > > New Hope, PA, 18938 > > USA > > > > Non US donors should contact me for instructions before sending seeds. > > > >             I WILL REPLY TO > YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. > > IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! > > > > >From PBS: > > > > SEEDS: > > > > 1. Ammocharis coranica > > 2. Brunsvigia orientalis > > 3. Brunsvigia radulosa > > 4. Crossyne flava > > 5. Nerine angustifolia > > > > >From Pam Slate: > > > > BULBS/CORMS: > > > > 6. Van Bloem hyacinth, white, blue, and purple, mixed > > 7. Sparaxis hybrids, tricolor > > 8. Freesia hybrids, red (two different shades, mixed) with yellow > center > > 9. Freesia hybrids, singles and a few doubles, mostly yellow and > lavender > > 10. Crocus sativus, saffron crocus > > 11. Tulipa clusiana > > 12. Ipheion uniflorum 'Rolf Fiedler' > > 13. Tritonia hybs, apricot > > > > >From Dell Sherk: > > > > 14. Rhizomes of Achimenes, mixture of 4 different purple hybs > > > > Thank you Pam !! > > > > Best wishes, > > Dell > > > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > CyberDefender has scanned this email for potential threats. Version 2.0 / Build 4.03.29.01 Get free PC security at www.cyberdefender.com From ds429@comcast.net Wed May 27 06:38:08 2009 Message-Id: <001c01c9deb7$4476af20$cd640d60$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 204 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:38:26 -0400 I have received your order. Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Troy Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:43 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific BX 204 Hi Dell, I'd like 6,7,8,9,10,11 and 12 please. Patrick Troy 861 David Ave Monterey, CA 93940 --- On Sun, 5/24/09, Dell Sherk wrote: > From: Dell Sherk > Subject: [pbs] Pacific BX 204 > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" > Cc: "'Cathy Craig'" , "'Mark Wilcox'" , "'Roger Macfarlane'" > Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 1:13 PM > Dear All, > > > >        The items listed below have > been donated by our members to be shared. > > > >   If you are interested in obtaining some of them, > please email me PRIVATELY > at . > Include "BX 204" in the subject line. > > > >         Specify the NUMBERS of the > items which you would like; do not > specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail > mail address, > too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based > on a first come, > first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you > will find, > included with them, a statement of how much money (usually > $2.00/item) > (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; > no money orders, please) you > should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for > packing and > first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. > > > > PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR > PLACING A SURCHARGE ON > EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. > > > >     Some of you are members of the online PBS > discussion forum but are not > members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS > AVAILABLE ONLY TO > MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you > can take advantage > of future offers such as this. Go to our website: > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... > > > >          If you would like to > donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors > will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for > their donations.), > please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: > > > > Dell Sherk > > 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. > > New Hope, PA, 18938 > > USA > > > > Non US donors should contact me for instructions before > sending seeds. > > > >             I WILL REPLY TO > YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. > > IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! > > > > >From PBS: > > > > SEEDS: > > > > 1. Ammocharis coranica > > 2. Brunsvigia orientalis > > 3. Brunsvigia radulosa > > 4. Crossyne flava > > 5. Nerine angustifolia > > > > >From Pam Slate: > > > > BULBS/CORMS: > > > > 6. Van Bloem hyacinth, white, blue, and purple, mixed > > 7. Sparaxis hybrids, tricolor > > 8. Freesia hybrids, red (two different shades, mixed) with > yellow center > > 9. Freesia hybrids, singles and a few doubles, mostly > yellow and lavender > > 10. Crocus sativus, saffron crocus > > 11. Tulipa clusiana > > 12. Ipheion uniflorum 'Rolf Fiedler' > > 13. Tritonia hybs, apricot > > > > >From Dell Sherk: > > > > 14. Rhizomes of Achimenes, mixture of 4 different purple > hybs > > > > Thank you Pam !! > > > > Best wishes, > > Dell > > > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From oothal@hotmail.com Wed May 27 19:44:22 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Bulb lists from Penrock and Simply Indigenous Nursery Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:44:16 -0500 Hi all, I just got in my email the May 2009 Bulb lists for Penrock and Simply Indigenous Nursery. If looking at these two lists and they don't make you drool then you should never need a bib. Simply Indigenous has a dwarf Amaryllis belladonna, anyone ever seen this before? I was wondering just how small that this is. Justin Smith Woodville, TX 8b/9a _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 From janemcgary@earthlink.net Wed May 27 19:54:18 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Bulb lists from Penrock and Simply Indigenous Nursery Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:54:10 -0700 Justin wrote, I just got in my email the May 2009 Bulb lists for Penrock and Simply Indigenous Nursery. > > >If looking at these two lists and they don't make you drool then you >should never need a bib. Justin, could you describe more what these nurseries offer? Are they just warm-climate bulbs (if so, that's why I haven't heard of them)? Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon From rherold@yahoo.com Wed May 27 20:52:01 2009 Message-Id: <4A1DE029.70401@yahoo.com> From: Roy Herold Subject: Bulb lists from Penrock and Simply Indigenous Nursery Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:51:53 -0400 Jane, Simply Indigenous is a nursery west of Pretoria near Hartbeespoort Dam. We visited them during our trip to South Africa in 2006, and had a fine time looking at their offerings of the native flora. The owners, Leigh and Johann Nieuwoudt, were not there, however, off on a trip to Brazil. Penroc is primarily Charles Craib's business, so far as I can tell, and is managed by Leigh and Johann. The seeds are not cheap, but the selection can't be matched, even by Silverhill. I ordered a bunch of massonia, daubenya, and other bulb seeds last summer. I got reasonably good germination, although there were a few duds--resnova and one of the daubenyas come to mind. Excess will eventually go to the BX, by the way. Alas, I'd have to classify most, if not all, of the offerings as warm climate. They claim some will withstand hard frosts down to -10C, but I'm guessing it always warms up the next day. http://www.penroc.co.za/ http://www.simplyindigenous.co.za/ You have to request the price and availability lists, as Justin did. --Roy Jane McGary wrote: > Justin wrote, > I just got in my email the May 2009 Bulb lists for Penrock and Simply > Indigenous Nursery. > >> >> If looking at these two lists and they don't make you drool then you >> should never need a bib. > > Justin, could you describe more what these nurseries offer? Are they > just warm-climate bulbs (if so, that's why I haven't heard of them)? > > Jane McGary > Northwestern Oregon > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From eagle85@flash.net Fri May 29 20:32:48 2009 Message-Id: From: Douglas Westfall Subject: Scadoxus cinnabarinus Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:32:22 -0700 Tomas, I cannot seem to locate your email address. I have an offer for you. Doug Westfall From HHeaven77@aol.com Fri May 29 20:58:13 2009 Message-Id: <8CBAED8C3E4598A-16D8-4F4D@webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> From: hheaven77@aol.com Subject: Scadoxus cinnabarinus Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:57:39 -0400 ...seems like you should have a deal for ALL OF US since we all got your e-mail!? :) -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Westfall To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Fri, 29 May 2009 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Scadoxus cinnabarinus Tomas, I cannot seem to locate your email address. I have an offer for you. Doug Westfall From julietleigh@ihug.co.nz Sat May 30 06:12:32 2009 Message-Id: <08E910F43CF9443BBD2EB98F063EA671@LAPTOPLC> From: "Juliet Leigh" Subject: People - please do not reply to "everyone". Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:12:20 +1200 People - please be more courteous & careful. Do not reply to "everyone". I am getting sick of getting all this mail!!! When it says please email me PRIVATELY at . please could you email them PRIVATELY. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dell Sherk" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:38 PM To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific BX 204 > I have received your order. > > Best wishes, > Dell > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] > On Behalf Of Patrick Troy > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:43 PM > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific BX 204 > > > Hi Dell, > I'd like 6,7,8,9,10,11 and 12 please. > Patrick Troy > > 861 David Ave > Monterey, CA 93940 > > --- On Sun, 5/24/09, Dell Sherk wrote: > >> From: Dell Sherk >> Subject: [pbs] Pacific BX 204 >> To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" >> Cc: "'Cathy Craig'" , "'Mark Wilcox'" > , "'Roger Macfarlane'" >> Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 1:13 PM >> Dear All, >> >> >> >> The items listed below have >> been donated by our members to be shared. >> >> >> >> If you are interested in obtaining some of them, >> please email me PRIVATELY >> at . >> Include "BX 204" in the subject line. >> >> >> >> Specify the NUMBERS of the >> items which you would like; do not >> specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail >> mail address, >> too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based >> on a first come, >> first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you >> will find, >> included with them, a statement of how much money (usually >> $2.00/item) >> (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; >> no money orders, please) you >> should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for >> packing and >> first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. >> >> >> >> PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR >> PLACING A SURCHARGE ON >> EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. >> >> >> >> Some of you are members of the online PBS >> discussion forum but are not >> members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS >> AVAILABLE ONLY TO >> MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you >> can take advantage >> of future offers such as this. Go to our website: >> >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... >> >> >> >> If you would like to >> donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors >> will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for >> their donations.), >> please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: >> >> >> >> Dell Sherk >> >> 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. >> >> New Hope, PA, 18938 >> >> USA >> >> >> >> Non US donors should contact me for instructions before >> sending seeds. >> >> >> >> I WILL REPLY TO >> YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. >> >> IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! >> >> >> >> >From PBS: >> >> >> >> SEEDS: >> >> >> >> 1. Ammocharis coranica >> >> 2. Brunsvigia orientalis >> >> 3. Brunsvigia radulosa >> >> 4. Crossyne flava >> >> 5. Nerine angustifolia >> >> >> >> >From Pam Slate: >> >> >> >> BULBS/CORMS: >> >> >> >> 6. Van Bloem hyacinth, white, blue, and purple, mixed >> >> 7. Sparaxis hybrids, tricolor >> >> 8. Freesia hybrids, red (two different shades, mixed) with >> yellow center >> >> 9. Freesia hybrids, singles and a few doubles, mostly >> yellow and lavender >> >> 10. Crocus sativus, saffron crocus >> >> 11. Tulipa clusiana >> >> 12. Ipheion uniflorum 'Rolf Fiedler' >> >> 13. Tritonia hybs, apricot >> >> >> >> >From Dell Sherk: >> >> >> >> 14. Rhizomes of Achimenes, mixture of 4 different purple >> hybs >> >> >> >> Thank you Pam !! >> >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Dell >> >> >> >> Dell Sherk, PBS BX >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2142 - Release Date: 05/29/09 > 17:53:00 > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2142 - Release Date: 05/29/09 17:53:00 From oothal@hotmail.com Sat May 30 12:36:38 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Suggesting use of a Forum was RE: People - please do not reply to "everyone". Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:36:36 -0500 Hi everyone, what was said: > Subject: [pbs] People - please do not reply to "everyone". > > People - please be more courteous & careful. > Do not reply to "everyone". > I am getting sick of getting all this mail!!! > When it says please email me PRIVATELY at . > please could you email them PRIVATELY. > Thank you. I know everyone does not like this accidental use of the PBS bounce or email that is 5,000 lines long. I would like to suggest the use of a Forum to replace much of the email discussions. Being new to PBS I don't know if a forum has been tried or not. Leaving the PBS bounce for more important information to be passed on. We could use one of the free hosting sites for a trial run. Then decide after a bit if it is a viable alternative. There are many people who only read and do not participate in discussions and I think that is not good. Lets face it, it is a bit intimidating for someone who has no technical or scientific knowledge of bulbs and blooms to send out an email to be read by very knowledgeable people. I dare say everyone has at least some little bit of knowledge gained through experience that would be of interest to all. We are an organization of hundreds (thousands? i dunno) of people but yet it is only 8 or 9 people doing most of the sharing of knowledge. Justin Smith Woodville, TX 8b/9a Oh Alberto, if you read this let me know if you want a pic of Alophia drummondii blooming in situ. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat May 30 13:46:21 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Suggesting use of a Forum was RE: People - please do not reply to "everyone". Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:46:12 -0700 Justin wrote, >I know everyone does not like this accidental use of the PBS bounce >or email that is 5,000 lines long. > I would like to suggest the use of a Forum to replace much of the > email discussions. Being new to PBS I don't know if a forum has > been tried or not. Leaving the PBS bounce for more important > information to be passed on. >There are many people who only read and do not participate in >discussions and I think that is not good. Lets face it, it is a bit >intimidating for someone who has no technical or scientific >knowledge of bulbs and blooms to send out an email to be read by >very knowledgeable people. I dare say everyone has at least some >little bit of knowledge gained through experience that would be of >interest to all. >We are an organization of hundreds (thousands? i dunno) of people >but yet it is only 8 or 9 people doing most of the sharing of knowledge. I prefer the e-mail list, because I would not always remember or bother to go to a website, go through the procedure of signing on with a password, and sorting through the posts and trying to remember when I last looked at them. It's no problem for me to get the usually brief e-mails that come with the PBS list, even though I am condemned to a slow dial-up connection. I use the index on my "In" box to view what has come in, and I delete anything whose subject line suggests it will not be relevant to my interests, along with the obvious spam, before even displaying it. This is very easy to do with the e-mail application I use, Eudora; surely it is easy with others. As for the limited subset of our 400+some members who post, some of us are more comfortable than others with writing publicly. As a professional editor and writer, I deplore this: No matter how bad your writing is, if you know something, people should not criticize your style, typing, or spelling. That kind of stuff is the job of people like me. If your job is growing fascinating plants, I don't care about your English, or indeed any other language you care to write in -- though I hope it's a language I can read, with apologies to our Japanese colleagues. So if you've been lurking out of shyness about writing in public, come on out. Very few of us are English professors, and the ones who are will probably be among the most tolerant. With best regards, Jane McGary From msittner@mcn.org Sat May 30 16:32:48 2009 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20090530130458.0367d728@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Suggesting use of a Forum was RE: People - please do not reply to "everyone". Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:31:36 -0700 Hi, As the list administrator I am puzzled by Justin's email. This list is a forum and it is a place where people can ask questions about bulb related topics. It is a public forum which means that the searchable archives are online for people who wish to view the contents that way, but it is also available to subscribers in a form of a email for those who do not wish to read messages online. As we set up the list and the wiki, we have always tried to make the exchange of information available to everyone and have kept in mind those people who may not have a fast connection, unlimited storage space, etc. Our group has beginners and experts and I've always been impressed that experts on this group are especially responsive to questions that are asked by people who do not have their level of knowledge. I've been involved in other groups where this is not the case. We have about 470 members with people coming and going all the time and with people living all over the world. Since this is the case, not everyone is going to be interested in all of the messages since people could be talking about something that others could not or might not want to grow. So having the delete key handy is always a good idea. I do agree with Justin and Jane's encouragement of postings by lurkers. Our list is set up so that hitting reply means that messages go to everyone. We did that because we hoped that answers to questions would be shared with the group, not just the person asking the question. But that does mean that there are extra steps that need to be taken if your response should be sent privately like requests to the BX. Some of the responses that come to the list that should be private I am sure are accidental and I expect many of those people are more careful afterwards. My husband would like me to remind people only to include the pertinent part of the message you are responding to as he gets the digest and I hear groans, especially when the whole digest is included in the response, often triggering a second digest. I suspect when this happens a lot of people who get the digest just don't bother to find what is new and hit delete. I've written so many messages on this (a great many of them private, but also on the list), that I've decided that this is unlikely to change. But it would be nice to be proven wrong. Thanks. Mary Sue, PBS cat herder, aka List administrator From oothal@hotmail.com Sat May 30 19:17:57 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: Suggesting use of a Forum was RE: People - please do not reply to "everyone". Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:17:48 -0500 HI all, What was said, > As the list administrator I am puzzled by Justin's email. This list is a > forum and it is a place where people can ask questions about bulb related > topics. > Mary Sue, PBS cat herder, aka List administrator To clear up your puzzle I only suggested a different type of Forum as merely something to discuss. The "reply all" is a very common mistake on this type of forum. While I don't mind it others don't seem to like it very much at all. There are other types of forums that are not email based and a default "reply all" is not a cause of grief and aggravation. I have found that people are aggravated long before they actually vocalize a complaint. There is also, usually more than one person with the same complaint. To talk about possible solutions even if not acted upon, helps to show the person(s) who is/are aggravated, that someone at least acknowledges their frustration. Their even might be someone willing to offer up one or more different solutions. Justin Woodville, TX 8b/9a _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 From voltaire@islandnet.com Sat May 30 19:49:23 2009 Message-Id: <5E9CFE09-44BE-4DE3-8C6C-92B964F6AE74@islandnet.com> From: Diane Whitehead Subject: Suggesting use of a Forum was RE: People - please do not reply to "everyone". Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:47:48 -0700 I belong to a few online forums. I think they're great, and have made many friends on them. However, there tends to be a lot more chitchat than on an emailed list, and that could bother people who just want straight info and nothing else. Diane Whitehead From Jim@shieldsgardens.com Tue Jun 2 09:22:16 2009 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20090531045627.0171ea60@pop.indy.net> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: Suggesting use of a Forum was RE: People - please do not reply to "everyone". Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 05:03:20 -0400 I'm with Jane on this. Out of habit: We had e-mail 20 years before we had the WWW. I have found that I simply don't follow "forums" on the WWW. I depend on my e-mail inbox. In some formats, e.g., YAHOO groups, you can switch from receiving postings as e-mail to having to use a browser to read them on the forum web site. When groups switch to forum (i.e., web site instead of e-mail) they lose me as a member. In my case, put it down to age! Jim Shields At 10:46 AM 5/30/2009 -0700, you wrote: >Justin wrote, > >I know everyone does not like this accidental use of the PBS bounce > >or email that is 5,000 lines long. > > I would like to suggest the use of a Forum to replace much of the > > email discussions. Being new to PBS I don't know if a forum has > > been tried or not. Leaving the PBS bounce for more important > > information to be passed on. > >......... > >I prefer the e-mail list, because I would not always remember or >bother to go to a website, go through the procedure of signing on >with a password, and sorting through the posts and trying to remember >when I last looked at them. It's no problem for me to get the usually >brief e-mails that come with the PBS list, even though I am condemned >to a slow dial-up connection. I use the index on my "In" box to view >what has come in, and I delete anything whose subject line suggests >it will not be relevant to my interests, along with the obvious spam, >before even displaying it. This is very easy to do with the e-mail >application I use, Eudora; surely it is easy with others. > >..... > >With best regards, >Jane McGary > From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun May 31 10:43:27 2009 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Suggesting use of a Forum was RE: People - please do not reply to "everyone". Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 07:37:14 -0700 Diane wrote, >I belong to a few online forums. I think they're great, and have made >many friends on them. However, there tends to be a lot more chitchat >than on an emailed list, and that could bother people who just want >straight info and nothing else. I quit the Scottish Rock Garden Club's forum because of all the chit From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Sun May 31 11:31:44 2009 Message-Id: <000901c9e205$88e0fd90$2f01a8c0@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Suggesting use of a Forum was RE: People - please do not reply to "everyone". Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:36:14 -0400 One of the things I like a lot about the way things happen on the PBS forum is that I see all messages at one place. That makes it really easy to decide right away which ones I want to read and which I want to ignore. It also means that should one of the ones I ignored turn hot, I’m likely to notice the volume of responses and then check out what the excitement is all about. If we were to break down into smaller groups focused on specialized topics, it would be a lot harder to keep up with it. Chit chat responses posted to the entire group drive me crazy; if people have to do it, why can’t they respond privately to the party in question? Another thing I like very much about the current way things happen on the PBS list is the way a topic will begin focused on one thing and then wander over a wide range of usually very interesting other topics. I’ve been very pleasantly surprised over the years at what different perspectives bring to these discussions. I think Mary Sue has taken just the right approach when it comes to discussions wandering off topic - mostly hands off except in those rare occasions when things are about to ignite. I wish more people would post more often about the things which are happening in their gardening lives. I’ve often posted on the blooming of particular plants, mundane plants, just to get the ball rolling and prod others into giving their versions. The discussions which grew out of mentioning the blooming of Eranthis hyemalis or Sternbergia lutea, for instance, were varied and interesting. Neither of those is a rare plant, no expertise was involved in growing them, and I learned a thing or two from the many responses. If it’s true that there over 400 people who receive the PBS postings, then it would be nice to hear something about what those of you who don’t post regularly – and that’s the majority of the group - are growing. I’m particularly interested in what young people who might still be in university and who don’t have a real garden are growing. When I was that age, I was sharply focused on certain unusual plants which I could grow under lights indoors. What went on in real gardens was largely irrelevant to me. One simple thing which I wish more people would do is to post brief messages about what is blooming for them: if everyone posted once a week on this topic it would provide lots of entertainment. I don’t care a bit about the quality of your English prose, but do please make an effort to spell the names of the plants correctly. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone 7, where we are trying to dry out from yet another down pour. My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org From lmf@beautifulblooms.ab.ca Sun May 31 12:29:27 2009 Message-Id: <000a01c9e20d$0c7d24b0$4001a8c0@lindaj6m8zgi2a> From: "Linda Foulis" Subject: moving the bulb collection Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:30:01 -0600 Hi all, Not sure how to specifically title this one as it will cover my entire collection. End of March I had unpotted everything in preparation for my move. Some of the bulbs were sifted out of the mix and bagged carefully, specifically the oxalis collection. Albuca, Rhodophiala, Ferraria, Cyrtanthus, Hippeastrum (only the tiny ones), Cooperia, and Cyclamen were all dumped into ziploc bags, mix and bulb together. The large Hippeastrum were all unpotted and placed in paper bags. The Clivia and Veltheimia were both unpotted, roots wrapped in newspaper, moistened, bagged (roots only) and boxed. I had many doubts that this would work but also felt limited in my choices. I wasn't sure when they could be all repotted and moving them in pots was out of the question. I'm very happy to say that after a week of repotting, there were very few casualties, and funny enough, it was all in the oxalis collection. The ones that I took the most care of. Go figure? Easy enough to replace through the BX though. While repotting I took a lot of care in counting, cataloguing and taking notes of growth habits. There were two things that struck me as odd. One the Cyrtanthus bulbs are clumping up and making new ones over increasing in size. Not sure if I'm describing this correctly or not. Where there was one bulb there are now many circling the original. Is this the normal habit of Cyrtanthus? Another I found odd was the Rhodophiala. All of them (granatiflora, phycelloides, advena, laeta, and bagnoldii) are all stretched out. Would this be an example of the bulb wanting to be planted at a greater depth? Most of these are in their 2nd to 3rd year, all were at the bottom of 5" deep pot when unpotted. The bulbs are still small, would planting them in a larger, deeper pot help them along? I put them back in the same size pot as they were, near the bottom, just so that they were potted again, but should I repot them? It's wonderful to see how quickly everything is responding now that they are back in pots and in the sun. This new house has loads of windows and is very bright and sunny, a real treat compared to the last house where all had to be grown in the basement under lights. Linda Foulis Red Deer, AB Canada Zone 3 Another hot sunny day, and I'll spend a good part of today digging up more sod and maybe, just maybe by day end I'll be ready to put in the vegetable seeds. From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Sun May 31 13:00:02 2009 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: moving the bulb collection Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 17:00:01 +0000 Hi: Good news! Congratulations. The answer to the Rhodophiala question is obviously yes. Find a really large pot and repot the bulbs at the bottom of it. This way they will stop trying to go down and fatten instead. Of course the fatter the more mature (and nearing flowering size). On the plus side the bulbs are amazingly long lived. Some swear by planting in pipe lenghts but I doubt they will be stable enough, unless you pack all pipes tightly inside a wooden or plastic box for stability. Best _________________________________________________________________ ¡Invitá a todos tus amigos de una sola vez! Probalo ahora http://www.microsoft.com/argentina/windows/windowslive/products/social-network-connector.aspx From allen@repashy.com Sun May 31 13:15:17 2009 Message-Id: <4A22BB09.2010009@repashy.com> From: Allen Repashy Subject: Suggesting use of a Forum was RE: People - please do not reply to "everyone". Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:14:49 -0700 Hello Everyone, I have been lurking on here a long time, and enjoy the mailing list, but I thought I would just jump in here because I know quite a bit about forums, or, as better described, "Online Communities" I have owned and run a gecko related community for six years, and recently started an online community focused on Xeric Plants using the best available software and features... What is nice about this kind of forum is the additional features such as personal member profiles, photo galleries, blogs, tutorials, reviews, calendars, classifieds. and topics of discussion can be broke off into separate "forums" for specific interests. Each" forum" can be subscribed to separately, based on your interests. One thing that is really nice is the ability to incorporate images into discussions directly. Chit chat can be controlled just as easily, if not more, than an email based system. Also, many members share unrelated interests, and often, an "Off Topic" forum is a great way for plant lovers to discuss other interests. It is great to talk about a common passion, but for many, a hobby like this is also an avenue for friendships that extend beyond the specialized topics. I think that for many, it is as much about establishing new friendships as it is learning about plants. Anyways, creating this style of "Forum" isn't as difficult as it looks, It seems to be a natural evolution for mailing list type forums to go this route. I don't mean to come on here and say there is anything at all wrong with the format here, I really enjoy my pbs emails.... but I just thought I would present what I think is a good example of the options available, and volunteer to answer any questions, public, or private, about a system like this. It does have it's learning curve for newbies, but offers a much richer environment if that is of interest. Here is a link to my Plant Community that I have had up and running for only a few months: http://www.xericworld.com/forums/ The top menu bar has links to the many features. Another view is the member home page that gives a summary of all the recent posts across all the forums, as well as recent blogs, polls etc. : http://www.xericworld.com/forums/home.php Here is my established Gecko Related Community. http://www.forums.repashy.com/ Allen Repashy Jim McKenney wrote: > One of the things I like a lot about the way things happen on the PBS forum > is that I see all messages at one place. That makes it really easy to decide > right away which ones I want to read and which I want to ignore. It also > means that should one of the ones I ignored turn hot, I’m likely to notice > the volume of responses and then check out what the excitement is all about. > > > If we were to break down into smaller groups focused on specialized topics, > it would be a lot harder to keep up with it. > > Chit chat responses posted to the entire group drive me crazy; if people > have to do it, why can’t they respond privately to the party in question? > > Another thing I like very much about the current way things happen on the > PBS list is the way a topic will begin focused on one thing and then wander > over a wide range of usually very interesting other topics. I’ve been very > pleasantly surprised over the years at what different perspectives bring to > these discussions. I think Mary Sue has taken just the right approach when > it comes to discussions wandering off topic - mostly hands off except in > those rare occasions when things are about to ignite. > > I wish more people would post more often about the things which are > happening in their gardening lives. I’ve often posted on the blooming of > particular plants, mundane plants, just to get the ball rolling and prod > others into giving their versions. The discussions which grew out of > mentioning the blooming of Eranthis hyemalis or Sternbergia lutea, for > instance, were varied and interesting. Neither of those is a rare plant, no > expertise was involved in growing them, and I learned a thing or two from > the many responses. > > If it’s true that there over 400 people who receive the PBS postings, then > it would be nice to hear something about what those of you who don’t post > regularly – and that’s the majority of the group - are growing. I’m > particularly interested in what young people who might still be in > university and who don’t have a real garden are growing. When I was that > age, I was sharply focused on certain unusual plants which I could grow > under lights indoors. What went on in real gardens was largely irrelevant to > me. > > > One simple thing which I wish more people would do is to post brief messages > about what is blooming for them: if everyone posted once a week on this > topic it would provide lots of entertainment. > > I don’t care a bit about the quality of your English prose, but do please > make an effort to spell the names of the plants correctly. > > > > Jim McKenney > jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com > Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, 39.03871º North, 77.09829º West, USDA zone > 7, where we are trying to dry out from yet another down pour. > My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com > BLOG! http://mcwort.blogspot.com/ > > Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS > Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org > > Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > From pameladaz@msn.com Sun May 31 13:30:34 2009 Message-Id: From: "Pamela Slate" Subject: moving the bulb collection Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:30:32 -0700 Hi Linda and everyone, I'm ready to transplant seedlings of R. granatiflora. A friend is propagation professional at a wholesale nursery so I divided my seed from the BX between us to ensure greater germination success and he indeed did have greater success with his fog house. We have a number of tiny plants that now need repotting and have decided the best pot for them is a one his nursery is using for pecan tree seedlings that have a large tap root. I believe they are about 18 inches deep and maybe 4-6 square. We've decided we can plant them another 4-5 inches deep where, as Alberto says, they can fatten up instead of working so hard to descend further. I've been unpotting and examining BX plants as well and one that has amazed me is Albuca juncifolia from BX 139 (02.02.07 from Alberto Castillo). I received one bulb and it has produced good foliage every year and has never flowered. This spring, after a late rain, I was sure it had rotted until I dug it up and found four very large bulbs and a large mass of 3-4 four inch healthy white roots. I repotted in a larger pot and watered. Now what? If anyone has experience with growing this bulb I would appreciate any information, including a flower photo, you have. These are very interesting looking bulbs. Once all my BX buried treasures have been evaluated, I'll send out another mail to tell about my successes and failures. Thanks for sharing Linda, - it's always interesting to know what others are growing. Pam PS Thanks to you all who responded to my quest for mesh bulb storage bags - I got some good leads. Pamela Slate P.O. Box 5316 Carefree AZ 85377 From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Sun May 31 13:40:05 2009 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: moving the bulb collection Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 17:39:55 +0000 Hi Pam: In my experience Albuca juncifolia needs lots of sunshine and a very well drained mix and careful waterings. In damper situations the bulbs tended to rot. Our plants are in 5 gallon plastic puckets. They grow from fall to late spring and go dormant for the summer. They flower in spring and seed is easily obtained even if there is a single bulb blooming at a time. Fresh seed as with all Albuca and African Ornthogalums is a full 100% and the seedling are grown tightly close together for the first two seasons. Flowers are to be expected during the third season and on. Our plants of this and many other Cape bulbs and corms are protected from frost and wind. Many Albucas and Ornithogalum from South Africa retain livng roots during dormancy. Hope this helps a bit _________________________________________________________________ ¿Uno por uno? ¡Mejor todos a la vez! Sumá a tus amigos a Windows Live http://www.microsoft.com/argentina/windows/windowslive/products/social-network-connector.aspx From lmf@beautifulblooms.ab.ca Sun May 31 13:54:41 2009 Message-Id: <000b01c9e218$f3de89b0$4001a8c0@lindaj6m8zgi2a> From: "Linda Foulis" Subject: was moving the bulb collection - now albuca juncifolia & albuca Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:55:14 -0600 Hello, How are you growing your albuca? And, what makes you say that it is an interesting looking bulb? I ask this because - my first albuca grown was from seed purchased from Chilterns in the UK. It was labeled as A. spiralis. I've since germinated and grown A. spiralis and every other albuca I've ever been able to lay my hands on and nothing resembles this first bulb grown. The bloom is most definitely an albuca however the bulb resembles a lily bulb with the fleshy layers, the correct word escapes me now. How deep do you plant yours and in what mix? I've got mine in a mix of gravel, sand, compost and perlite and they respond quite well. I've hoping with the sunnier conditions in the new house they will actually bloom. I've got several pots of the juncifolia, each planted at different depths from shoulders showing to completely covered and it doesn't appear to make a difference. Linda in Canada From ksayce@willapabay.org Sun May 31 14:14:51 2009 Message-Id: <23CED45B-73FF-414A-B989-1F6958F9AF46@willapabay.org> From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: Suggesting use of a Forum Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:14:10 -0700 One of the things I like a lot about the way things happen on the PBS forum is that I see all messages at one place. That makes it really easy to decide right away which ones I want to read and which I want to ignore. It also means that should one of the ones I ignored turn hot, I?m likely to notice the volume of responses and then check out what the excitement is all about. Like Jim, the wandering around among topics I really enjoy. I probably don't write as much as I could, but I definitely enjoy reading responses. I find hunting around among topics on a subject sorted site to be a bit more time consuming, and while I do follow along on those subject-structured sites, I find that I read them weekly or monthly instead of daily--and I enjoy reading the PBS messages by email very much every day. With the others who have written to please ask people to not copy all content in a message before sending a reply, I add my agreement: please copy only the content that is pertinent to your response. Please! As for plants in my garden that are flowering right now, I find I have mystery irids (labels lost, or clearly not what I ordered from various vendors), common but delightful Hyacinthoides hybrid in masses with fringecups and English daisies. I let them grow in my lawn areas, then mow them down as they start to set dry down. Camas is at the end of a very nice show this year, Libertia has started flowering, and a couple of dozen lilies have sturdy stems, including Lilium superbum, which I moved from a shady dry site last year to a sunny, damp site last year. I'm starting to track bumblebees in my yard, which visited camas flowers regularly, 2-4 ft off the ground. We had a cold winter here last year, and I was delighted to see that most of my Crinum lilies survived (C. x powellii). They won't flower for weeks, but have numerous healthy leaves despite the onslaught of slugs and snails as the weather warmed up. My Erythronium lilies set seed this year due to nice pollenation weather when they were flowering, so I plan to send seed to the PBS seed exchange. Kathleen Pacific NW, on Willapa Bay, north of the Columbia River. From d.avensis@virgin.net Sun May 31 15:25:21 2009 Message-Id: From: "David Nicholson" Subject: Suggesting use of a Forum was RE: People - please do not reply to "everyone". Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:25:21 +0100 Jane, you don't have to read all the chit chat, and you are missing an awful lot of first class information and advice on the widest possible range of plants from across the world. >SNIP> I quit the Scottish Rock Garden Club's forum because of all the chit > From oothal@hotmail.com Sun May 31 16:08:57 2009 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: moving the bulb collection Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:08:54 -0500 Hello all, Was said: We have a number of tiny plants that now need repotting and > have decided the best pot for them is a one his nursery is using for pecan tree > seedlings that have a large tap root. I believe they are about 18 inches deep > and maybe 4-6 square. > Pamela Slate > Do a google on Treepots (brand name) or this link http://www.stuewe.com/products/treepots.html I make no recomendation, I have never bought from them but they have a good list of what is available from them in a .pdf file. Justin Smith Woodville, TX 8b/9a _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 From khixson@nu-world.com Sun May 31 19:47:52 2009 Message-Id: <4A231722.6080003@nu-world.com> From: Kenneth Hixson Subject: What's Blooming Oregon Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:47:46 -0700 Jim McKenney wrote: > I wish more people would post more often about the things which are > happening in their gardening lives. > > One simple thing which I wish more people would do is to post brief messages > about what is blooming for them: It's difficult to respond to something like this--what's interesting to one person is banal to others. Also, including common things isn't necessarily of interest, unless you can note something you grow and figure that in your garden that plant will flower earlier or later, and thus get some idea of when other things discussed may flower. This post certainly isn't short, but what is of interest to such a diverse group? This garden is in what is now USDA Zone 8, though for many years I regarded it as Z7b. Even that designation is a little iffy, as I've twice seen -5F, and once -12F. However this past winter saw a low of only +14F (twice) so perhaps Z8 is accurate. When I see some of the things offered in garden centers, I still cringe. Agapanthus are just leaves, flowers probably a month away. These are from seed of "Headbourne Hybrids", in blue. There were some whites, but were lost in moving. Local garden centers now carry various Agapanthus, brought in from California in containers, at high prices. Allium moly (not Jeannine), another "pink" allium which came as "mixed species seed" and may be ostrowskianum, and a small growing native which might be A. stellatum--or something else. I asked a botanist once, and he was reluctant to provide an identification --apparently the key is in the details of the netting on the bulbs. So, "native allium" it is, although it actually came from my previous garden. Alstroemeria--the first opened a day or so ago, a hybrid, rather pale orange, and rather tall. A. "pulcra maxima" will be open in a week or so. A. psittacina still hasn't made the masses it was in the old garden, so the hummingbirds don't fight over it yet, even if it were flowering, which is still a month away. Begonias--grandis is up, as is boliviana, and a number of the wax leaf types--these have come back for three years now. Before moving I had the white grandis, and will eventually get another. I haven't seen 'Heronswoods Pirouette', but may try that also. Other hardy begonias are on the "wish list", but are not yet a high priority. Bletilla striata--the blue-purple type has flowers open. The white form isn't showing buds. B. ochracea probably isn't coming back. Camassia leichtlinii semi-plena, or double cream camas, has been flowering for a week or so. The local "blue" camas have been flowering for about a month--in fact, seedlings are already starting to die down. Cannas and Callas are foliage plants now, with flowers some time later. Crinum bulbispermum opened a flower or two a week ago, and right now there are three bulbs flowering with more spikes coming. These are mostly from seed, though some were purchased selections. These seem to flower, pause, send up more spikes, pause again, then flower a third, sometimes a fourth time each summer. Other Crinum will be much later. One clump is probably X powelii that Kathleen mentioned, though that isn't what they were purchased as. They'll be dug and moved to a less prominent spot, though digging crinums resembles excavation more than digging bulbs. I have a wet spot where perhaps they'll be happy. Crocus--have ripened their seedpods, and some have been dug, to be replanted. C. c. Goldilocks has made multiple small corms rather than the large flowering size corms I'd like to see. Gladiolus oppositiflorus salmoneus had a flower a couple days ago, but today all I found was a single leaf. G. carneus has a single stem about 6" high. G. papilio is a foot high, but flowering is still some time to come--? July? This is the common "gray ghost" form, I'd like to get one of the more colorful forms some day. This "type" is so vigorous, I'm surprised it isn't being used more in hybridizing. Gladiolus tristis is borderline. Only one truss this year, most of the leaves burned in the +14F frost in mid-April, and completely dormant already. Eucomis 'Oakhurst', and E. comosa pink, are showing burgundy leaves, but flowers are still some time to come. They are more foliage plants than flowers, so I don't mind. E. autumnalis is up, but also a future treasure. Hyacinths--the "White Festival" hyacinths flowered for a long time, but the later spikes flopped over. Surprisingly, they aren't setting seed, which more common hybrids usually do. Hyacinthoides--before I moved, I was unsure how much I'd be able to move, and saved seed of the pink hyacinthoides. These have now flowered, and almost all were white, and the two pinks were inferior to the parents. Iris--tall bearded almost past, Siberians in bloom for a week, first spuria--a yellow--open. Pacific coast iris mostly past, first bud on a louisiana iris. Ixia "hybrids"--I once thought these borderline, and have been growing them from seed to select the most hardy, but it apparently isn't necessary--they do just fine, although I still have people stop and ask what they are. There was a nice clump of seedlings growing on a raised bed, until in Mid-April we has a spell of 14F frost, and all disappeared. Yet now, there are a couple seedlings flowering there. Haven't dug up the spot to see if there is anything else there or not. Same frost burned Gladiolus tristis and Dierama. Lilies--in mid-April I was so careless as to brag that it seemed like it was going to be a good year for lilies. The +14F frost changed that a little, the aurelian types being hard hit, though it looks like many will still flower. L. martagon "album" from seed is starting to separate the buds, and should flower in a week or so--or at most two. Muscari are a mass of seedpods, just starting to die off. Tigridia hybrids seem hardy enough to winter over most years-- if I cared more, I'd probably dig and store them over winter. Tritelia hyacinthina opened a couple days ago. T. "laxa" from the garden center, has buds separated but not showing color. T. peduncularis is about half height, not close to flowering. Brodia congesta has three flowers open. Seedlings from my other garden, they should flower better in the future. Brodia or Brevoortia ida-maia "type" is a winey-red, but opened a single truss with more to come, hopefully. The hybrid, Pink Diamond, isn't open yet, and the buds are more wine than pink. Bloomeria has a few flowers. Brodia californica isn't open yet, but mine are apparently later than some. Tritonia crocata--perhaps it would do better in some other spot, but it is gradually dying away, and hasn't flowered for a couple years. Tulips are mostly dormant and gone, especially the species. Other plants include Magnolia virginiana flowering this week, foxgloves (Digitalis purpureus) probably at their peak. Many of the foxgloves are fasciated. Still flowers on rhododendrons and azaleas. Penstemon grandiflorus is flowering in a soft blue--pretty, but the seed was supposed to be pink. I've made more of an effort to feed the birds this past winter, particularly the smaller birds. One result was the Chickadee that flew up to the bird's nestbox I'd put up. It refused to go in, though there were obviously several insects in its' bill. Although I had put up the bird's nestbox and certainly knew there was a nest in it, I took the hint and moved on to tally blooming bulbs elsewhere. The Chickadee, point made, popped inside, presumably to feed its' mate on the nest. Ken From eez55@earthlink.net Sun May 31 22:39:08 2009 Message-Id: <380-2200961123848984@earthlink.net> From: "Eugene Zielinski" Subject: moving the bulb collection Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:38:48 -0400 I've dealt with Stuewe & Sons (one order this year) and have found them to be a good company to do business with. Their treepots are durable, although a little more flexible than standard nursery pots. Although the prices quoted on their website are for case quantities, you don't have to order items by the case. Just e mail them with your proposed order and request a price quote. Unfortunately, as with most things these days, shipping charges will add considerably to the cost of the order. Eugene Zielinski Augusta, GA USA > [Original Message] > From: Justin Smith > To: > Date: 5/31/2009 4:09:09 PM > Subject: Re: [pbs] moving the bulb collection > > > Hello all, > > Was said: > > We have a number of tiny plants that now need repotting and > > have decided the best pot for them is a one his nursery is using for pecan tree > > seedlings that have a large tap root. I believe they are about 18 inches deep > > and maybe 4-6 square. > > > Pamela Slate > > > > Do a google on Treepots (brand name) or this link > > http://www.stuewe.com/products/treepots.html > > I make no recomendation, I have never bought from them but they have a good list of what is available from them in a .pdf file. > > Justin Smith > Woodville, TX 8b/9a > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori al_WhatsNew1_052009 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki