Narcissus fly

iain@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org info@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org
Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:40:50 PDT
Narcissus Fly is not, thankfully, a beastie we need to concern ourselves 
with here across our part of the pond but I would be interested to learn if 
anyone can tell me whether this insect has an infestation presence on 
Lilium, etc.

I would also be grateful to know what this insect's scientific name is, it 
surely must have one. Common names per se do not 'travel' well, perhaps we 
know and experience it under a different name. Given that the genus 
Narcissus is not indigenous to north America I wonder how it arrived there 
should originate here in Europe, southern Europe to be more precise. Has it 
any relationship for over winter survival in terms low temperatures of your 
USDA's hardiness zones?

Iain


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>   5. Re: Narcissus Fly: When is it safe? (Mark Mazer)
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> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:06:21 -0500
> From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com>
> Subject: [pbs] Lycoris report - 1
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> Dear Friends,
> With all the reports about Lycoris blooming - it is the season.
> Just starting here too with L. squamigera leading the pack.
> We had a lot of rain this spring - way over the average and I think
> this has bulked up the bulbs as we are getting multiple stems per
> bulb and very tall stalks.
>
> I have a few L. longituba just starting up and the tallest
> stalk has topped out just prior to bloom at 40 inches to the base of
> the inflorescence. Add 4-5 inches to the peak. This is exception, but
> a number of other stalks are easily 36 inches, also very tall.
>
> After a week and 1/2 of no rain, there's a big rain  storm
> predicted for tonight. So I expect to see a flurry of activity in a
> week or less. So far there's bloom or stalks on L . squamigera,
> longituba. sprengeri, L. chinensis and some hybrids. Usually L.
> sanguinea is the first to show, but no sign yet. It was badly hurt in
> April '07 late killer freezes so may still be set back.
>
> Incidentally, Diana, Lycoris are very poor bloomers in pots.
> I feel lucky to get a single bloom per pot. A friend on the East
> Coast has better bloom, but they have a lot more rain and I assume
> this makes all the difference. They can take / appreciate a LOT of
> water in spring maybe even sitting in water as I have seen in the
> wild in China for a couple species.
>
> Last year's freeze damaged all Lycoris foliage very badly and
> this year we had no damages and lots of rain, but buds are formed in
> the previous fall as I recall so they might still be light due to
> last year's damages. I'll report more in 'part 2'
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> Meanwhile enjoying the show. Jim W.
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> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:13:26 -0500
> From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com>
> Subject: [pbs] Crinums
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> Dear Friends,
> I was gone for week to visit  Atlanta and much impressed by
> the streets lined with a variety of crepe myrtles. What a show!
> Surprised on returning home at the number and variety of
> Crinum still blooming and blooming for the first time.
>
> Super Ellen is on its third stalk and still dazzling.
> Crinum x powellii are mostly done except for selection
> including 'Nestor's Pink'. 'Cecil Houdyshel" and one labelled from
> Les Hannibal. This last Crinum has not bloomed before. I think it was
> passed along after Les' garden was dug and bulbs distributed. The
> flowers are a pale pink and the most fragrant hardy crinum as I
> reported before. I thought it was an x powellii type, but now that
> the flowers have faded, there are seeds  forming. Sort of a surprise
> since this should be nearly totally sterile.
>
> Even C. scabrum is putting up a new stalk and a few x
> powellii, but minor.
>
> These crinum continue to impress me with their sturdiness,
> hardiness and vigor. A shame they are not seen more in gardens around
> here.
>
> Best Jim W.
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> Dr. James W. Waddick
> 8871 NW Brostrom Rd.
> Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711
> USA
> Ph.    816-746-1949
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> Summer 100F +
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> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:52:57 -0700
> From: Laura & Dave <toadlily@olywa.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] "The Bulb Garden"
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> I just received the latest "The Bulb Garden", and I am very impressed.
> This obviously took a lot of thought and work.  There is a nice blend of
> information; should be something for everyone!
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> Thanks to all who had a hand in producing the newsletter !!
>
> Dave Brastow, 7A, Tumwater, Washington
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> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:03:54 -0400
> From: Roy Herold <rherold@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pbs] Narcissus Fly: When is it safe?
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> I had a terrible time with narcissus fly getting into my pots of
> cyrtanthus when they were outside last summer (2007), so this year I put
> them in a coldframe covered with a screen (window type). Thinking that
> the danger of fly infestation was passed, I took the screen off a couple
> of weeks ago, mainly because flower scapes were running into it.
>
> Did I take it off too soon? Or could I have removed it much earlier, and
> if so, when?
>
> The cyrtanthus really seem to have thrived in the screened environment,
> irrespective of whether it kept the flies off. It gave a little extra
> shade, and a bit of protection from the incessant thunderstorms we have
> been having this summer. Lots of bloom, even on the 'difficult' C. tuckii.
>
> --Roy
> Northwest of Boston
> 8" of rain in July!!
>
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> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:50:03 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: Mark Mazer <markmazerandfm13@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Narcissus Fly: When is it safe?
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>>
>>Did I take it off too soon? Or could I have removed it much earlier, and
>>if so, when?
>
> Hi Roy:
> When I lived in Northwest Connecticut, both narcissus fly species in our 
> area had, in most years, laid their eggs by the end of May, most certainly 
> by the middle of June. But the Cyrtanthus species were also highly 
> susceptible to mealy bugs, so I settled on a regime that included an 
> Imadicloprine drench twice a year.
>
> Best,
> Mark Mazer
> Hertford, North Carolina USA
> Zone 7b-8
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> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:06:56 -0700
> From: "Diana Chapman" <rarebulbs@suddenlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Oxalis rubra - white form ?
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> Could be the white form of O. crassipes which is available from some
> suppliers.
>
> Diana
> Telos Rare Bulbs
> http://www.telosrarebulbs.com/
>>
>> I was re-reading one of my older ('94) Pacific Horticulture
>> mags, an article on Oxalis had a picture of both white and pink flowered
>> O. rubra growing together. I like way the O. rubra behaves in the garden
>> - the large rhizomes are easy to find and it pretty much stay's put...
>> So I tried to locate a source for the white form on the web... No luck..
>> In fact I can't find any reference to rubra white or alba...
>>
>> I suppose the white could have been another species - regnellii
>> comes to mind - anyone have ideas ?
>>
>> Chad Schroter
>> Gardening in Los Gatos, California
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