Robert, In my post I failed to explain that the heirloom red oxbloods I have been growing for so many years started setting seeds several years before I had any pink oxbloods in my garden. All my reds came from the same general area in Central Texas. I should have some bulbs blooming from that first crop of seeds in about another year or two. Patty -----Original Message----- >From: Robt R Pries <rpries@sbcglobal.net> >Sent: Sep 8, 2007 7:31 PM >To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >Subject: [pbs] Rhodophyela bifida Myths? > >I f people have been following the Rhodolphiala >discussion they may have noted some inconsistencies. >As I hinted in my first post the literature tells us >there is an oxblood lily that is most common across >the South that multiplies by offsets but rarely >produced seed. This red hurricane lily is said to be >triploid and from a single introduction by Oberwetter. >But note several posts have noyed that they get seed >on their red Rhodolphialas when they have other clones >such as the pink form in their gardens. I am not sure >of when this particular clone was declared triploid >but there is another explanation that may better fit >the facts. Perhaps Rhodolphiala is self sterile and an >obligate outcrosser. If all the Southern Reds were >clones of a single original plant than perhaps there >is no seed produced beause it requires a second clone >to fertilize it. This would seem a better explanation >of fact that the triploid theory that has been widely >published. >--- Robt R Pries <rpries@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> Lauw; I am glad you made this observation because I >> had noticed some of the same behavior. On some >> Lycoris >> I noticed "stalks" with a bulb at the base and >> another >> formed above the lower bulb. I was having some >> trouble >> deciding whether the newest bulb was the upper or >> the >> lower and whether the plant was trying to get >> shallower or go deeper. i have been trying to >> hybridize Lycoris and dug everything from 1 year >> seedlings, 2year etc. to my six year seedlings this >> spring becaase I am moving the garden. In looking at >> the age progression in the seedlings it seemed to me >> that they were going deeper and deeper the older >> they >> were. I have been reading about Lycoris this spring >> and all me references were saying they bloom better >> when they are planted shallowly. I was a bit >> confused >> becuase the plants seemd to be telling me that they >> like depth. The books I was using were zone 7-10 >> garden writers and my present garden is zone 5/6. >> Could it be that in colder zones the plant pull >> themselves lower than in warmer climates. Since I am >> moving to a zone 7 I shall plant less deep in the >> new >> garden but I am still confused by the action of the >> plants. I hope next year to see the first blooms on >> my >> oldest crosses. >> >> --- Bulbargence <dejager@bulbargence.com> wrote: >> >> > Bonjour, >> > Rhodophiala bifida and Lycoris radiata (and >> > chinense) are both in flower >> > here in the ground When lifiçtng bulbs to sellI >> have >> > some interesting >> > observations about the planting depth. When >> planted >> > Rhodophiala shallow >> > 50-100mm (2-4") it always pulls itself down to >> > 150-200mm (6-8") to reach >> > cool and humid layers. Lycoris radiata, I just >> find >> > out, does exactly the >> > contrary: they were planted at 75-100mm (3-4") >> and >> > now whenpulling them up >> > all have formed a secondary bulb at the level of >> > 30-50mm (1-2") >> > One never stops learning! >> > >> > Lauw de Jager >> > http://www.bulbargence.com/ >> > South of France (zone 8 Olivier) >> > Coord. Geogr.(GPS): 43°42' 43" N 4° 32' 12" E >> > >> > >> > >> > Jim Shields: >> > > Rhodophiala bifida must need fairly extreme >> > conditions to bloom. They >> > > probably need hot summers and cold winters, >> > neither of which Mary Sue has >> > > at her current home. >> > > >> > > We have some Lycoris radiata radiata here too, >> > that survive and sometimes >> > > bloom, but definitely do not thrive outdoors in >> > the ground. The diploid >> > > form of L. radiata does not survive here. >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > pbs mailing list >> > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >> > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com/