Rhodophyela bifida Myths?

patty allen prallen2@peoplepc.com
Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:55:35 PDT
Robert, 
In my post I failed to explain that the heirloom red oxbloods  I have been growing for so many years started setting seeds several years before I had any pink oxbloods in my garden. All my reds came from the same general area in Central Texas. I should have some bulbs blooming from that first crop of seeds in about another year or two.
Patty

-----Original Message-----
>From: Robt R Pries <rpries@sbcglobal.net>
>Sent: Sep 8, 2007 7:31 PM
>To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>Subject: [pbs]  Rhodophyela bifida  Myths?
>
>I f people have been following the Rhodolphiala
>discussion they may have noted some inconsistencies.
>As I hinted in my first post the literature tells us
>there is an oxblood lily that is most common across
>the South that multiplies by offsets but rarely
>produced seed. This red hurricane lily is said to be
>triploid and from a single introduction by Oberwetter.
>But note several posts have noyed that they get seed
>on their red Rhodolphialas when they have other clones
>such as the pink form in their gardens. I am not sure
>of when this particular clone was declared triploid
>but there is another explanation that may better fit
>the facts. Perhaps Rhodolphiala is self sterile and an
>obligate outcrosser. If all the Southern Reds were
>clones of a single original plant than perhaps there
>is no seed produced beause it requires a second clone
>to fertilize it. This would seem a better explanation
>of fact that the triploid theory that has been widely
>published. 
>--- Robt R Pries <rpries@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Lauw; I am glad you made this observation because I
>> had noticed some of the same behavior. On some
>> Lycoris
>> I noticed "stalks" with a bulb at the base and
>> another
>> formed above the lower bulb. I was having some
>> trouble
>> deciding whether the newest bulb was the upper or
>> the
>> lower and whether the plant was trying to get
>> shallower or go deeper. i have been trying to
>> hybridize Lycoris and dug everything from 1 year
>> seedlings, 2year etc. to my six year seedlings this
>> spring becaase I am moving the garden. In looking at
>> the age progression in the seedlings it seemed to me
>> that they were going deeper and deeper the older
>> they
>> were. I have been reading about Lycoris this spring
>> and all me references were saying they bloom better
>> when they are planted shallowly. I was a bit
>> confused
>> becuase the plants seemd to be telling me that they
>> like depth. The books I was using were zone 7-10
>> garden writers and my present garden is zone 5/6.
>> Could it be that in colder zones the plant pull
>> themselves lower than in warmer climates. Since I am
>> moving to a zone 7 I shall plant less deep in the
>> new
>> garden but I am still confused by the action of the
>> plants. I hope next year to see the first blooms on
>> my
>> oldest crosses.
>> 
>> --- Bulbargence <dejager@bulbargence.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > Bonjour,
>> >  Rhodophiala bifida and Lycoris radiata (and
>> > chinense) are both in flower
>> > here in the ground When lifiçtng bulbs to sellI
>> have
>> > some interesting
>> > observations about the planting depth. When
>> planted
>> > Rhodophiala shallow
>> > 50-100mm (2-4")  it always pulls itself down to
>> > 150-200mm (6-8") to reach
>> > cool and humid layers. Lycoris radiata, I just
>> find
>> > out, does exactly the
>> > contrary:  they were planted at 75-100mm (3-4")
>> and
>> > now whenpulling them up
>> > all have formed a secondary bulb at the level of
>> > 30-50mm (1-2")
>> > One never stops learning!
>> > 
>> > Lauw de Jager
>> > http://www.bulbargence.com/
>> > South of France (zone 8 Olivier)
>> > Coord. Geogr.(GPS): 43°42' 43" N     4° 32' 12" E
>> > 
>> > 
>> >   
>> > Jim Shields:
>> > > Rhodophiala bifida must need fairly extreme
>> > conditions to bloom.   They
>> > > probably need hot summers and cold winters,
>> > neither of which Mary Sue has
>> > > at her current home.
>> > > 
>> > > We have some Lycoris radiata radiata here too,
>> > that survive and sometimes
>> > > bloom, but definitely do not thrive outdoors in
>> > the ground.  The diploid
>> > > form of L. radiata does not survive here.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
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