Sinking Brunsvigia

Tim Harvey zigur@hotmail.com
Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:49:43 PST
All gone ...
 
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 T> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:18:59 -0800> From: othonna@gmail.com> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Sinking Brunsvigia> > Yes, the "gestalt" of A vs B is undeniable.> Hadn't heard about that move by Bruyns. Reference? Are Synadenium and> Endadenium doomed as well?> > On Dec 12, 2007 11:57 PM, Tim Harvey <zigur@hotmail.com> wrote:> > >> > Well I bet there are a whole bunch of different genes and associated> > regulators requred to give a leaf a midrib, and we'll very likely not know> > what they are this century!> >> > I agree, philosophically speaking.> >> > Why on earth Bruyns stuck Monadenium into Euphorbia I'll never understand,> > but I can tell a Brunsvigia from an Amaryllis ...> >> > T> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:51:00 -0800> From: othonna@gmail.com> To:> > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Sinking Brunsvigia> > Tim,>> > Whatever the evidence employed, once substantiated monophyletic groups are>> > worked out then the rank of those groups becomes "academic". Hence the>> > subjective nature of taxonomic schemes and hence the everlasting hope of>> > armchair botanists for more suitable arrangements.> Dylan> > On Dec 12, 2007> > 9:45 PM, Tim Harvey <zigur@hotmail.com> wrote:> > >> > Oh, I see another> > genus akin to Euphorbia in the making! I believe some> > investigation of> > these relationships have been done at the DNA level, though> > I regard such> > data as important as other physical descriptors.> >> > T> Date: Wed, 12 Dec> > 2007 19:40:02 -0800> From: othonna@gmail.com> To:> > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Sinking Brunsvigia> > Leo, Jim--> > I've also felt it> > would be sensible to at least consider this> merger. They> > are separated> > by seemingly non-profound> > details of the seeds> and the leaves> > with midrib (Amaryllis) or> > without (Brunsvigia), whereas the> traits in> > common are overwhelming. Is> > morphological homogeneity important in> defining> > genera? How important?>> > The same applies to the seemingly artificial> > distinction of Hessea from>> > Strumaria, based on somewhat variable character> > states. Carpolyza has>> > already been lumped under the latter. I suppose the> > taxonomists are happy> > to> rely more on molecular data when the going gets> > tough regarding when> > to> split and when to lump.> Dylan> > On Dec 12, 2007> > 1:23 PM, Leo A.> > Martin <leo@possi.org> wrote:> > > > One other way to get> > more species:> > given the easy "hybridization" of> > > Amaryllis and> > Brunsvigia, I've> > long been wait> > ing for someone to combine> > > those genera: the plants> > have already> > done it, now it's time for the> > > taxonomists to catch> > up.> > >> > > Jim> > McKenney> >> > That would be great! Amaryllis (1753) is> > so much easier to> >> > grow than> > Brunsvigia (1755)!> >> > Leo Martin> > Phoenix Arizona USA>> > >>> > > _______________________________________________> > pbs mailing list>> > >> > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >> > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php> >> >> > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/> >>> >> > _______________________________________________> pbs mailing list>> >> > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php>> >> > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/> >> > _______________________________________________> > pbs mailing list> >> > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php> >> > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/> >>> > _______________________________________________> pbs mailing list>> > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php>> > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/> > _______________________________________________> > pbs mailing list> > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php> > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/> >> _______________________________________________> pbs mailing list> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/


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