Hi Gang,
It happened again. I was just going to peek at the PBS Wiki Crinum images.
Of course, I knew better. Two or three hours later I was still "just
peeking." Jay and Alani have done excellent work. But, there are other
contributors. Now I've got a note to contact Rogan Roth and ask about
Crinum buphanoides (Rogan, if you read this, send me a private email if you
are inclined).
Of course Alberto Grossi's photos are wonderful, full of detail and color.
And, I now recall that I promised to order something for Alberto over a year
ago and never did (sorry!).
The PBS Wiki is spell-binding. Even the bulb families I tend to ignore in
my garden can capture me for long periods as I browse the Wiki. In addition
to the wonderful photographs, and the various shots (side, top, aspect, long
distance, close-up, etc.), the Wiki provides good, solid information. Even
if the information is anecdotal it is information, and such starting points
are helpful in making estimatates about how hardy a bulb might be, or what
culture it requires, or where to find it, etc.
This is all leading somewhere; recently someone asked about Crinum x
'Burgundy' and I checked what was available on the PBS Wiki. Then, I looked
over my own notes on 'Burgundy' and find that Mr. Hannibal identifies it as
a specific selection of C. x worsleyii (C. scabrum x C. moorei). Marcelle
Sheppard has always had a single clone of ' Burgundy' that she has used in
breeding. While 'Burgundy' seldom sets seed, one of it's offspring ('Lady
Chameleon', i.e., Seedling No. 1) produces boatloads off seed.
However, there are a number of 'Burdungy'-type plants to be found in the
South and I wonder if they are C. x worsleyii. Not all of them have the
'Ellen Bosanquet' look, but all seem simlar. Some may have a bit darker
color, but perhaps they were only growing in a shadier position or blooming
earlier in the year.
When you consider the taxonomic doubtfulness of Crinum scabrum, it is not so
clear that C. x worsleyii is a proper taxon. But, for gardening purposes C.
x worsleyii makes perfect sense to me.
A friend of Marcelle's (Margie Brown) has what Marcelle calls 'Burgundy' No.
2, it is essentiall identical to Marcelle's Burgundy, but it reblooms a bit
in the fall. On the other hand, the "real" 'Burgundy' (Marcelle's
'Burgundy) sometimes throws a few white petals, and one bulb offset
produces completely white flowers.
The varies 'Burgundy'-types that I have encountered are darkef of flower
than 'Ellen Bosanquet', produce more flowers, and seem to make larger plants
(larger and more luxurious leaves).
LINK: C x 'Worsleyi'
http://marcellescrinums.com/html/crinum-species/…
LINK: Sheppard C. x 'Burgundy' Hybrids
http://marcellescrinums.com/html/…
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> 1. Re: Asclepias (totototo@telus.net)
> 2. Galanthus peshmenii hardiness (John T Lonsdale)
> 3. Re: Galanthus peshmenii hardiness (Jim McKenney)
> 4. Re: Galanthus peshmenii hardiness (Jane McGary)
> 5. Re: Galanthus peshmenii hardiness (John Grimshaw)
> 6. Re: Galanthus peshmenii hardiness (Jan Agoston)
> 7. Bundrandt Crinum hybrids (jyourch@nc.rr.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:00:27 -0700
> From: totototo@telus.net
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Asclepias
> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
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> On 24 Jul 07, at 7:56, Mary Sue Ittner wrote:
>
>> California has something beautiful species of this genus and I'm
>> wondering how many of them might be geophytes. A couple I have tried
>> to grow in my garden, but haven't gotten to bloom yet are deciduous
>> and late to come back in the spring. I've looked at least one of these
>> when dormant and I could actually see something that looked like it
>> had a tuber to me but Jepson describes them as annuals, perennials, or
>> shrubs. There was a really gorgeous one I photographed in Southern
>> California, Asclepias californica, described as perennial. I'd add it
>> to the wiki if I thought is qualified.
>
> Jepson is mixing its metaphors somewhat. The real contrasts are
> between woody plants, semi-woody plants and non-woody plants; between
> annual, biennial, and perennial plants; and between geophytes and non-
> geophytes; and between evergreen and deciduous plants, which is
> closely correlated with the distinction between herbaceous and non-
> herbaceous.
>
> Geophytes include bulbous, rhizomatous, tuberous, and cormous plants.
>
> Our usual bulbs are non-woody, perennial, geophytic, but may be
> evergreen or deciduous.
>
> Your milkweed is probably a non-woody deciduous perennial with fleshy
> roots that ambiguate the distinction between geophyte and non-
> geophyte.
>
> Somewhere in all this mess is the distinction between trees, shrubs,
> and sub-shrubs.
>
> As usual, Mother Nature laughs at us humans trying to pigeonhole Her
> infinite variety of creations and makes sure She has plenty of gray
> area plants on board to frustrate our tidy little schemes.
>
> I think we better all go put icepacks on our throbbing brains, no?
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:09:22 -0400
> From: "John T Lonsdale" <john@johnlonsdale.net>
> Subject: [pbs] Galanthus peshmenii hardiness
> To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> In writing this I acknowledge, at least temporarily and for the purposes
> of
> this message, that there could be two different snowdrops.
>
>
>
> Galanthus reginae-olgae does fine outside here, flowering and building up
> slowly. I have several accessions of Galanthus peshmenii that have been
> in
> pots for the past few years because I heard that it might be more tender
> than G. r-o. Is there any basis to this purported lack of hardiness or am
> I
> safe planting them outside?
>
>
>
> I also have several pots of Scilla vincentina - it does just fine but I'd
> love to get it into the garden. Is it likely to survive here? I don't
> mind
> burned leaves as long as it flowers OK.
>
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> John T Lonsdale PhD
> 407 Edgewood Drive,
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:36:18 -0400
> From: "Jim McKenney" <jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Galanthus peshmenii hardiness
> To: <john@johnlonsdale.net>, "'Pacific Bulb Society'"
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> I can't answer John Lonsdale's query about the hardiness of Galanthus
> peshmenii.
>
> However, I'll give in to temptation and make some comments about the
> hardiness of Galanthus reginae-olgae. Although I know of several growers
> here in the greater Washington, D.C. area who have successfully
> established
> this species as a garden plant in recent years, I grow my current
> accessions
> in a cold frame. Several acquisitions of this species in the mid '80s
> proved
> to be impermanent outside. Impermanent as in "did not survive the winter".
> When my current stocks bulk up, I'll try some in the garden - but keep
> some
> reserved for cold frame culture.
>
> I also grow Hyacinthoides vincentina (aka Scilla vincentina and a few
> other
> combinations). This, too, for now is in a cold frame, so I'll be as
> interested as John in any comments about its hardiness.
>
>
> Jim McKenney
> jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:01:56 -0700
> From: Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Galanthus peshmenii hardiness
> To: john@johnlonsdale.net, Pacific Bulb Society
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> John Lonsdale asked about winter hardiness of Galanthus peshmenii (a
> fall-blooming species from southwestern Turkey) and Scilla vincentina (I
> think the correct form of the name may be S. vincentii? I got it under
> both
> versions at different times).
>
> I'm pretty sure G. peshmenii would be at least as winter-hardy as G.
> reginae-olgae. One thing I noticed about G. peshmenii in the wild is that
> it grows in extremely well-drained positions, such as in steep cut banks
> and even in the detritus on top of big boulders. I hope I didn't kill my
> pot of it by bringing it into the sunroom last winter when we had a very
> hard freeze in December; I'll turn it out soon and find out.
>
> S. vincentii/vincentina does fine in my bulb frames where it gets down to
> 20 degrees F sometimes, and it self-sows between the pots too. I think
> it's
> a good candidate for the open garden in moderate climates and will try
> some
> there myself this year.
>
> Jane McGary
> Northwestern Oregon, USA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 05:15:31 +0100
> From: "John Grimshaw" <j.grimshaw@virgin.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Galanthus peshmenii hardiness
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> I have never seen Galanthus peshmenii thriving outdoors in England and
> regard it as less hardy than G. reginae-olgae.
>
> John Grimshaw
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jane McGary" <janemcgary@earthlink.net>
> To: <john@johnlonsdale.net>; "Pacific Bulb Society"
> <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 1:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Galanthus peshmenii hardiness
>
>
>> John Lonsdale asked about winter hardiness of Galanthus peshmenii (a
>> fall-blooming species from southwestern Turkey) and Scilla vincentina (I
>> think the correct form of the name may be S. vincentii? I got it under
>> both
>> versions at different times).
>>
>> I'm pretty sure G. peshmenii would be at least as winter-hardy as G.
>> reginae-olgae. One thing I noticed about G. peshmenii in the wild is that
>> it grows in extremely well-drained positions, such as in steep cut banks
>> and even in the detritus on top of big boulders. I hope I didn't kill my
>> pot of it by bringing it into the sunroom last winter when we had a very
>> hard freeze in December; I'll turn it out soon and find out.
>>
>> S. vincentii/vincentina does fine in my bulb frames where it gets down to
>> 20 degrees F sometimes, and it self-sows between the pots too. I think
>> it's
>> a good candidate for the open garden in moderate climates and will try
>> some
>> there myself this year.
>>
>> Jane McGary
>> Northwestern Oregon, USA
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:41:24 +0200
> From: "Jan Agoston" <agoston.janos123@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Galanthus peshmenii hardiness
> To: john@johnlonsdale.net, "Pacific Bulb Society"
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> I've heared, that G. peshmenii is hardy at least Z5a. Some collectors have
> it here, but they are on sand not clay, which can modify hardiness.
>
> Bye,
> jani
>
> 2007/7/24, John T Lonsdale <john@johnlonsdale.net>:
>>
>> In writing this I acknowledge, at least temporarily and for the purposes
>> of
>> this message, that there could be two different snowdrops.
>>
>>
>>
>> Galanthus reginae-olgae does fine outside here, flowering and building up
>> slowly. I have several accessions of Galanthus peshmenii that have been
>> in
>> pots for the past few years because I heard that it might be more tender
>> than G. r-o. Is there any basis to this purported lack of hardiness or
>> am
>> I
>> safe planting them outside?
>>
>>
>>
>> I also have several pots of Scilla vincentina - it does just fine but I'd
>> love to get it into the garden. Is it likely to survive here? I don't
>> mind
>> burned leaves as long as it flowers OK.
>>
>>
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> John T Lonsdale PhD
>> 407 Edgewood Drive,
>> Exton, Pennsylvania 19341, USA
>>
>> Home: 610 594 9232
>> Cell: 484 678 9856
>> Fax: 801 327 1266
>>
>> Visit "Edgewood" - The Lonsdale Garden at <
>> http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/>
>> http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/
>>
>> USDA Zone 6b
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:12:45 -0400
> From: jyourch@nc.rr.com
> Subject: [pbs] Bundrandt Crinum hybrids
> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
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> Hi all,
>
> We, Alani Davis and I, have been busy this year adding many Crinums
> and Crinum hybrids to the Wiki. I'd like to point out two that I've
> recently flowered and added, 'Birthday Party' and 'Jubilee', both
> really nice Crinum hybrids made by Luther Bundrandt.
>
> If you're interested in taking a look here are the links to the two
> Bundrant Crinum hybrids:
> <http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
> irthdayParty>
> <http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
> wo#Jubilee>
>
> And here are links to the main pages with tables that link to all of
> the plants:
> <http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…>
> <http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…>
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Jay
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