Dear friends; I know this has been discussed before, but I wonder if anyone outside of the Pacific Coast or the native range of ANY of the PCN species has been able to grow any species or hybrid for 3 years or more. (UK and similar mild climates doesn't count here, since they do great in the UK). Specifically in the Midwest or East Coast, US. I have seen I douglasiana growing on the cliffs above Pt Reyes, CA and I tenax in the road side weeds in OR and have managed to keep a few alive for a year, but never had a bloom or long term survival. They grow like weeds from seed, but do not winter over. I am curious if they need more drastic cultivation in the mid west such as growing in a sand bed or on a dry wall. or grow them in shade and scree, or...... ? suggestions please. How far north along the Pacific Coast do they prosper? Brit. Columbia?, S. Alaska? I am curious to try this again aggressively, but IN THE GROUND, not pots. Please advise. Thanks Jim -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +