"John, I love when PhD's speak of unquantifiable subjects like aroma! :o)" Well now, technically if unromantically it is quantifiable, but I've yet to see a gas chromatograph spit out a trace with the main peak identified as 'ripe bananas'! Numbers are one thing - but they are meaningless if my 'ripe bananas' equates to your 'bobcat urine':) I could never be a wine taster. Best, J. John T Lonsdale PhD 407 Edgewood Drive, Exton, Pennsylvania 19341, USA Home: 610 594 9232 Cell: 484 678 9856 Fax: 801 327 1266 Visit "Edgewood" - The Lonsdale Garden at http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/ USDA Zone 6b