John: Sorry for the confusion. Carl Schoenfeld of Yucca Do Nursery collected seed of Manfreda variegata in the wild in Mexico. Upon growing the seed out when he returned, two plants were noticeably different....5' wide clumps compared to 18" for the typical species. We originally assumed that they were simply tetraploid. I went to Yucca Do to see the plants when they first flowered (May 2003) and Carl showed me that the flowers were different from Manfreda variegata. As we wandered around their garden, we noticed that Agave celsi was flowering at the same time and began noticing that the flowers of M. 'Macha Mocha' seemed to be intermediate in character between Manfreda variegata and Agave celsi. Carl recalled that Agave celsi did indeed grow nearby the site where the Manfreda seed were collected. While none of this has been confirmed by DNA, it is obvious to anyone who has seen the M. 'Macha Mocha' in flower that it is most likely a cross between the two genera. You can see a closeup of the plant with the bottom of the flower stalk at http://plantdelights.com/Catalog/Fall/…. There were no seed set and I doubt we'll be seeing any from this creature. Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdelights.com/ phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent John Grimshaw wrote: > Tony - the origins of 'Macha Mocha' weren't quite clear to me from your post > yesterday. Was the wild parent plant an obvious hybrid (i.e. F1) such that > 'Macha Mocha' and its unreleased sib seedling are F2? > > Did its flowering at YD in 2003 result in any seed being set? > > John Grimshaw > > Sycamore Cottage > Colesbourne > Nr Cheltenham > Gloucestershire GL53 9NP > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > >