gREAT idea, Joe. It might be too late for your crinumpollen group, but may I suggest to anyone else starting a group that you set it up so members need to be approved before joining. If you set it up that way people just write a short note saying why they want to join, that note goes to the list owner, who needs simply hit "reply" and send to allow the member to join. That's all the effort it takes. I recently had to shut down the calla lily list because of all the idiots that joined to spam and talk nonsense. Susan --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.