Hi Dave and all, You make an interesting point that I have noticed before. My Grandmother Maude Shields, who was born in about 1870 in Grant county, Indiana, was a life-long flower gardener. I remember her using the distinct terms just as Dave noted: daffodil -- large trumpet, yellow jonquil -- small yellow flowers with several per scape narcissus -- poeticus type with very small cup and large white perianth If the Dutch invented this type of terminology, they did it quite some time ago! Regards, Jim Shields in central Indiana (USA) ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA