Dear All, I hate to bring this up again, but the recent addition of a Tristagma wiki page and picture makes me want some clarification so I can address it on the wiki. I've looked through some of our messages on this subject in the past. It becomes a real challenge to be talking about the same thing when some of these plants have gone through so many name changes. Our last discussion about Ipheion 'Rolf Fiedler' generated some strong words I think and shortly thereafter one of the participants in the discussion left our list. I don't think Alberto Castillo and Germán Roitman offered an opinion then and I hope they will this time. I'll summarize some statements from the past. There is a real question about Tristagma peregrinans, a plant named by Ravenna that Alberto told us was never found by anyone else. One correspondent in November 2003 said that Ipheion 'Rolf Fielder' was this plant and that as of 1963 Ipheion had been included in Tristagma. Obviously not every one agrees since Ipheion is still very commonly being used. Mark M. pointed out that Traub who was the one responsible for this change was a consummate splitter. Alberto told us 'Rolf Fielder' was a new species, but apparently not this one. David Victor quoted Brian Mathew who traced Ipheion vittatum's move from Milla to Brodiaea to Beauverdia to Ipheion to Tristagma and into Nothoscordum. He was leaving it in Ipheion because of an account he had received from Dr Rosa Guaglianone, an Argentinian botanist, who felt that it should stay there. Mark M. who specializes in this family feels comfortable with the yellow species being considered Nothoscordum. For our wiki Tristagma page I'd like some understanding of whether this genus has species people recognize that are not considered Ipheion by others or are all of the species in this genus ones that were previously (and still by some) considered Ipheion. I looked up the species Osmani added to the wiki with Arnold's help. nomenclatural synonym: This appears to be the original name: Alliaceae/liliaceae Triteleia bivalvis Lindl. followed Liliaceae Ipheion bivalve ( Lindl. ) Traub in Plant Life, ix. 69 (1953). and Alliaceae Tristagma bivalve ( Lindl. ) Traub Pl. Life 19: 61. 1963 If there are some species that those of you in South American consider Ipheion and some Tristagma can you tell me what is the difference that defines this? Is Tristagma bivalve the name most of you use now? Thanks for help on this. Mary Sue