Excuses for the fact thast the message was send four times. Two suggestions have come forth to explain the anomalous value for the large cryptostephanus vansonii Firsts Waddick suggested: ""all plants in culture are tetraploid. Two objections: the number in Cryptostephanus vansonii has been counted as 2n=24 as Clivia has 2n = 22 this seems a diploid. Further if 44.6 is a tetraploid a triploid would be 33.5 not 36.4 pg. Morevover it was grown from seed. G Duncan suggested that it might be a cross with Clivia Apart from the white flowers the DNA does not fir either. Excluding Clivia mirablis, the lowest Clivia value is 34.7 for C nobilis ( C miniata has 39.2) If the plant with 36. 4 is the hybrid the value for the other parent ( with one parent 44.6) would be 28.2 pg not 34.7. So I await other suggestions Ben J.M.Zonneveld Institute of Biology,Leiden University, Clusius lab Wassenaarse weg 64, 2333 AL Leiden, The Netherlands Zonneveld@rulbim.Leidenuniv.NL Fax: +31-71-5274999. min temp -10C (15F)