In a message dated 7/25/2004 1:44:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, msittner@mcn.org writes: This genus was requested to be a topic of the week. Anyone else willing to share their experiences with it? Phaedranassa cinerea blooms here in September after withholding water during July and August. After the seed ripens they spend a dry winter under the greenhouse benches. Fresh seed is own the easy way and seedlings are kept growing throughout the first year. Mark Mazer Intarsia Ltd. Gaylordsville, Connecticut 06755-0142 USDA Zone 5 Giant Schnauzer Rescue