Well, thanks eveyone for the info. I will let me client know that they want to let these reseed in the garden. There will be a mulch put down. Does this make any difference for seeds? Will it hinder or help? They are really tall. They are 18", some have flopped over though. Many of them will soon be covered with a groundcover, Myoporum 'Putah Creek'. This cover gets only 6" tall by 4' wide. It should provide a cool rest area for the summer. ===== John Ingram in L.A., CA. http://www.floralarchitecture.com/ check it out jjingram@adelphia.net Floralartistry2000@yahoo.com