>>>>>While I agree with the cultural logic of Cameron and Dash's suggestions I also think there could be an alternative reason why the Crinum seed hasnt germinated. I have found that some Crinum seed - particularly that collected late in the flowering season doesn't germinate regardless of what cultural inducements you attempt. Hi All, I haven't the same problem as Angelo but I've had another problem this year with Crinum seed. Here in SW England it has been a generally good year for Crinum moorei seed production and I've had some very large and good seed this year. However as soon as it comes of the plant, the seed softens, shrivels and turns black, and without being frosted. The cause for this is either 1/ fungal or 2/ or the fact that the seed is infertile. In the past I've germinated Crinum moorei by leaving the seed on the warm top of my computer monitor until a root forms, then as soon as it has it'll get potted up. I can't help thinking that Angelo's seed may also be infertile as mine possibly was this year. Best Wishes, Dave David Fenwick NCCPG National Plant Heritage Collections of Crocosmia with Chasmanthe and Tulbaghia The African Garden 96 Wasdale Gardens Estover Plymouth Devon England PL6 8TW Websites http://www.theafricangarden.com/ http://www.crocosmiaheritage.com/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com/). Version: 6.0.536 / Virus Database: 331 - Release Date: 03/11/03