Greetings, Ernie, I have to back you strongly on the subject of goats. It is not that goats "overgraze", rather that some idiot human allowed them to do so. (I have a small flock of Dwarf Cameroon Mountain goats (my pride). The ram is a MASSIVE 500mm/21 inches tall at the shoulder). In every case of degradation by animals of natural (or unnatural) resources the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the humans that allowed them to do so. (rabbits in Australia, Elephants in Botswana, goats on islands, etc). Goats must rank as about the most intelligent of all animals. I have seen hundreds of 'road-kills' and a few score humans that have been run over BUT NEVER ONE GOAT!! >>>>>You should see what they have done to areas of South Africa<<<<< Harold, they only did what their human owners allowed them to do. Perhaps if the indigenous people were not moved into "sub economical agricultural" areas the vegetation would have fared better. You will notice that the degraded areas (in SA) are also those where the human population is heavy! Regards Greg _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php